Discussion thread: Detective Conan 1000-1005

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I really hope we see Haibara's reaction of seeing shinichi on the news, she must be quite furious from him since he broke one of the rules, since on of the rules in the deal was to keep a low profile when he's shinichi.

I am also hoping that the BO notices shinichi and start to investigate sherry's list, since she stated shinichi is dead, and now he is on the news. I assume that the BO is watching all over the place to make sure nothing of them is out to the world, so it is possible someone would see shinichi and report it to the hire up, or it could be vodka, since he seems to watch the news. Vodka remembers shinichi, we see that in the Halloween episode, and he tells Gin about it. So if Gin keeps hearing about shinichi, he might start to question and maybe investigate.

I dont think Okita can be used to hide the fact shinichi was on the news live, since shinichi is wearing his Tokyo school uniform. I mean how would it be possible, bring okita, give him shinichi's uniform and go run infant of the news camera saying I stole Tokyo school uniform ? What happened on the news happened, whoever saw the news and know's shinichi's face might be able to recognize him.

We will see what Gosho will do with this live news part, I really HOPE its not ONLY a setup for Kazuha to see and call heiji !
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i thank momji will do somthing about news like on onimaru debut in manga her familly very rich after all
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ShadowNeo wrote:After looking at the chinese file for chapter 1003...
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...I don't know why, but somehow I am more interested in the Ran-Okita thing happening there than the actual case. So from few translations given it looks like Shinichi knows the culprit and just needs some more evidence, which means the case is about to be closed. With that we will probably get the stuff Ran and Okita are talking about. Since I have no clue what it could possibly be, does anyone here have any idea? Or can maybe figure something out by translating from the chinese file?
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It's not revealed in file 1003. I think popular theories involve Ran asking Okita to lend her his charm (For a bit longer since she appears to already have it) so she can keep it for when she answers Shinichi's confession. Or for when she tries to kiss him. The hints for a kiss have been skattered through the arc already. Gosho and sneak peak readers did promise a huge Shinran development in file 1004, but what it is is still up in the air at this point.

Also: Shinichi appearing on TV? Guess we might have a BO development tie-in here...? :o
What kind of charm are you talking about? I think I missed something.
Saorin's talking about Pages 12, 13 and 15 of File 993—Soshi has his own charm, which he lost at the end of 993. Ran's been meaning to give it back to him, since then... but may want to use it, herself, before she gives it back to him.
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I am also hoping that the BO notices shinichi and start to investigate sherry's list, since she stated shinichi is dead, and now he is on the news. I assume that the BO is watching all over the place to make sure nothing of them is out to the world, so it is possible someone would see shinichi and report it to the hire up, or it could be vodka, since he seems to watch the news. Vodka remembers shinichi, we see that in the Halloween episode, and he tells Gin about it. So if Gin keeps hearing about shinichi, he might start to question and maybe investigate.

We will see what Gosho will do with this live news part, I really HOPE its not ONLY a setup for Kazuha to see and call heiji !
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In terms of BO taking notice, it's a question of when, not if—we just have to wait to see how long until Gosho decides to begin that.

And that's the key part, here—ONLY. It was used as setup for Kazuha to see and call Heiji, but I would be careful if you're now going to assume that it was ONLY for that. We have no idea what's next—File 900 may not have had BO, but that was because there was a big BO case, immediately prior (891–898). So whereas a BO case preceded File 900, a big BO case may very well follow File 1,000. Also, whereas Desperate Revival (251–260/188–193) came after Reunion with the BO (238–242/176–178), we may have a ShinichixRan case (1,000–1,00X) come before a BO case—he may chose to wait 10 files after this ShinichixRan case to bring out a BO case... we'll just have to wait and see if he waits that many files or so, or if he, instead, does it immediately.
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For those who haven't watched Movie 21, it will be pretty confusing regarding the relationship of Momiji with other. Not only Ran and Conan are familiar with Momiji, even Hattori and Kazuha know her pretty well. Why does she call Heiji "future husband". Is the "future husband" thing settled yet? Not showing the first meeting of Momiji with Heiji and Kazuha in the manga somehow makes her "sneaky" behavior in the previous files seemed unnecessary and confusing to manga-only readers.

Regarding the case, not that an interesting case but at least Masumi confirmed Shinichi remember meeting her 10 years ago, cannot demand much. I don't even thinks Gosho will give us why Masumi calls Shinichi a "wizard" soon if ever, although it's not that necessary to me.
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Goodness how time flies when everythings all over the place oh well... Let's see how this goes down. I wonder if we'll get more hints towards the motive of the culprit in File 1002, "Auburn Inuyarai..." Last time we witnessed a tengu appearing. This chapter most likely escalates things further.
Cover... A tengu with a kimono and some hotel servants hat hanging around with Shinichi and Heiji.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xEIuMbgZrg
I think it's nearing midday now. Masumi is here going to eat with Shinichi at the cafeteria so maybe around 11 AM... Shinichi took the words out of my mouth from last chapter... The scene with the tengu appearing was exactly like a movie special effects, the group does a tengu movie = They have the means to create these special effects...
I really like this moment with Masumi guessing it's really an SFX but hmm.. I wonder what Heiji is doing right now. Well, since he's not part of the school group maybe he can't blend in to eat anything for free...
Wait are we actually going this route... They acknowledge Agatas cigarette moment but since the burning trick has to happen with fire (cigarette) there's no way it's a coincidence though... Agata has to be a part of this...
Keiko calling Shinichi... Hmm... Agata did not notice the tengu when entering the room, but did he notice anything out of the ordinary I wonder.
Wait so they DID look for a film projector that may have caused the image to appear in the room.. That's a bit complicating since the image has to disappear, maybe there's some kind of hint towards a remote switch in someones belongings.

Now almost everyone is having those lumps on their heads, I can't really imagine anything else than something causing injuries for others up during the film shootings since they're so similar... Masumi mentions Keiko's "accident" too... She believes someone pushed her from behind and she fell and hit her head which caused a lump on her head... Just one though. The cover page atleast doesn't imply that this tengu has any horns so I doubt this has anything to do with the culprit spreading symbolism. Wait, Shinichi says she was smiling when she fell? That's odd, because you'd normally be surprised, though not necessarily if your mind is somewhere else.
Masumi seems to have information on the blood ceiling incident from the time Shinichi was sleeping. The blood was examined and only the center part which fell on Shinichi was the victim's. The rest was paint which means the footprints must be too... The blood was kind of fresh to fall on Shinichi though... The murder weapon was not found, but I have a feeling the papers all of the floor still have some sort of role to play. The notes on them and even the edits, too.
While Shinichi eats some kind of full course, Masumi seems to be eating just bread. I kind of used to do that too now that I think about it. Ran appears kind of maybe angry looking...
Loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool holy weaners.... Look at the amount of food she has on her... nvm... French kiss in london? Oh yeah. Lol. What Heiji said back then... LMAO!
Oh chit, Masumi is onto Shinichi by the way he rolls his sleeves. This is actually a pretty cool way to get back at her by thinking about her habits (like her eating with forks and knives)...

Ok so now we see a poster with the small film group... So there must be something wrong with it, or there's some kind of hint there... Let's see...
Director: Mayama, Writer: Nishiki, MC: Ihaya, 2MC: Keiko, Composer: Agata
Crimson Shura Tengu - November 10th to premier - "To protect his beloved, he turned into a fighting demon!"
Certainly Agata being the composer makes him feel like the one creating the ciphers since they might represent notes, but why did he not leave one behind when the Tengu appeared...
Shinichi basically says that there was a samurai class member called Kuranosuke in Kyoto magister's office. It's a story about love. Kuranosuke was troubled that he didn't have any riches for the shogun so Kuranosuke's wife gave him a good luck charmish, golden aralia leaf...
So basically Kuranosuke's wife stole a seal that was hiding a tengu... Or wait it seems that the tengu sealed some mysterious demon... Basically Kuranosuke's wife has to sacrifice herself to seal the demon again and the Tengu is unable to do that now because it has withered away... So Kuranosuke jumped a similar suicide we know of to turn into a tengu... He disappears but like the tengu before, could speak to his wife in her mind and they met. Tengunosuke couldn't change his appearance in that form so it had to hide red with the red of the sunset.
- You know what this reminds me of? Yusaku's story in the flashback case at the ski slope. That was kind of tricky though and was about caring. https://www.detektiv-conan.ch/aplayer/p ... 7&volume=1

... And also the fact that Shinichi knows the story of the movie because he read the story on the internet, so it's not a mythological story.
This very story about the tengu is the reason the five of them became popular in the first place so Shinichi questions their motives, that they're not likely suspects. Ran mentions about Keiko throwing the leaf into the air, whispering "wait for me, Dekuri-kun." Because Dekuri isn't part of the staff, Shinichi thinks this is suspicious... Ok so couple of things come to mind: Dekuri was more than likely part of the original group creating the script... Because he jumped down the stage like in their story, it might be that the role of the main actor was stolen from him. Even though they claim that Nishiki is the writer, he's the one doing edits to the original scripts, and alot of them too... Maybe he's changed the whole thing. I wonder if it's anything like the story Shinichi read. Or maybe the one on the net is the edited story.
Ran thinks about a kiss with Shinichi. Why not, right? Right now it actually feels like something that could happen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSc3TNHGs4E
The teachers and students are acting normally, as they should, they seem to be doing all sorts of courses during this trip. They're not really mentioned but in earlier chapters you could see them changing to their sports suits and so on... Apparently they should return to their hotel by 6PM so this could be around 5 hours later perhaps...
Nakamura proves to be a man with great ideas, thinking of going to spy at the bath. I wonder if we'll even get that type of moment, I could see Masumi being the one here to stab Shinichi's eye or something. Probably not, because Heiji calls and something happened... Hmm...
It seems that the inspector was right and the hotel is crowded by media when they got wind of the situation.
Oh so the teachers are purposefully not informing the students, probably so they don't have to cancel the trip. A nice way to keep staying on vacation while working I bet.

Heiji caught a scoop, it seems we might finally get more info on the suicide jumper Dekuri. Lol. Now they all go there to some luxury carte restaurent Isogiyama ryotei to eat. Because Sonoko is a Suzuki they managed to go there. There's some kind of bamboo fence everywhere next to restaurants which Masumi notices and we see... MOMIJI WTF! Actually I had a feeling she'd appear but is she following them perhaps? She definitely has the same... Vocabulary as Heiji and Kazuha I see.
Well Ran confirms she certainly knows Momiji. Hmm. Masumi notices that Momiji has massive knockers, I wonder if she compares with Mary in her mind. It seems that Momiji has kind of a snarky personality calling Tokyo a countryside place... Momiji confirms she knows Okita, who Shinichi shakes at when he hears Ran mention his name, was going to the same restaurant to eat. Coincidence? Perhaps.
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Apparently a tengu has made its appearance on Kiyamachi street. Some guy is screaming and it seems there are multiple tengus. I wonder if the culprit actually tries to pull something or if it's something else, like the zombie fanatics.
There are indeed tengu masked people running rampant everywhere... Heiji and the inspector, Shinichi and the squad should be enough for these though... I wonder if anyone will die during this incident or if it's nothing. The scene with the rampant tengu masked guys is kind of ridicilous.

Momiji is kind of cute, being behind Sonoko during this. A tengu guy tries to do something to the girls and Iori appears out of nowhere and kicks the crap out of him. Heiji appears making Momiji feel all sorts of things all of a sudden after crying and we learn that these guys were indeed hired by someone. 100 000 yen for running around, 1 million for 30 minutes... So if something happened in the restaurant, 30 minutes is alot of time to mess things up...
Sure enough, the MC actor Ihaya is found dead in VERY similar position to the first victim and the footprints have appeared too. It seems as if he was thrown towards the "fence" and he also has the same bumps on his face, huh...


Ok so the killer wanted 30 minutes but just like before, the detectives appear at the scene in 10. The oddest part is the victim being outside however. The motive is probably centered around the MC role now, considering how Dekuri's suicide was done in the same manner as the MC's of the crimson shura tengu story. Momiji appearing is definitely interesting but it doesn't confirm the movie events happened fully, it's just that atleast Ran and Conan met her during off-screen time. Heiji? Who knows. Anyway, there might actually be some witness statements about the killer this time... Most interesting, how far they're willing to go, hiring these people, ciphers, blood ceilings, bumps, symbolistic scenes and all... The case isn't following a script like you'd normally expect, but it's strongly related to it. Hmm.
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eros1607 wrote: Not showing the first meeting of Momiji with Heiji and Kazuha in the manga somehow makes her "sneaky" behavior in the previous files seemed unnecessary and confusing to manga-only readers.
She wasn't really sneaky, she planned on meeting Heiji in the Kendo Tournament case, but it didn't work out.
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Serinox wrote:
eros1607 wrote: Not showing the first meeting of Momiji with Heiji and Kazuha in the manga somehow makes her "sneaky" behavior in the previous files seemed unnecessary and confusing to manga-only readers.
She wasn't really sneaky, she planned on meeting Heiji in the Kendo Tournament case, but it didn't work out.
That's why I put "sneaky" in quotation marks. The indirect approach of Momiji before and her natural interaction with Heiji & co seemed kinda off to me but it does not matter that much, just hope Gosho avoid these kind of storytelling.
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eros1607 wrote:
Serinox wrote:
eros1607 wrote: Not showing the first meeting of Momiji with Heiji and Kazuha in the manga somehow makes her "sneaky" behavior in the previous files seemed unnecessary and confusing to manga-only readers.
She wasn't really sneaky, she planned on meeting Heiji in the Kendo Tournament case, but it didn't work out.
That's why I put "sneaky" in quotation marks. The indirect approach of Momiji before and her natural interaction with Heiji & co seemed kinda off to me but it does not matter that much, just hope Gosho avoid these kind of storytelling.
Unfortunately, it seems that some knowledge of Movie 21 would be necessary to make sense of their interaction with each other. For example, Momiji's nickname for Kazuha (Happa-chan, or Leaf-chan) is straight out of Movie 21. Still, I do agree with an earlier post about how the movies merely serve as a guideline and the cases within them should not be treated as canon unless otherwise stated.
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Glacierfairy wrote:
eros1607 wrote:
Serinox wrote:
eros1607 wrote: Not showing the first meeting of Momiji with Heiji and Kazuha in the manga somehow makes her "sneaky" behavior in the previous files seemed unnecessary and confusing to manga-only readers.
She wasn't really sneaky, she planned on meeting Heiji in the Kendo Tournament case, but it didn't work out.
That's why I put "sneaky" in quotation marks. The indirect approach of Momiji before and her natural interaction with Heiji & co seemed kinda off to me but it does not matter that much, just hope Gosho avoid these kind of storytelling.
Unfortunately, it seems that some knowledge of Movie 21 would be necessary to make sense of their interaction with each other. For example, Momiji's nickname for Kazuha (Happa-chan, or Leaf-chan) is straight out of Movie 21. Still, I do agree with an earlier post about how the movies merely serve as a guideline and the cases within them should not be treated as canon unless otherwise stated.
But you don't need to see the movie to understand the pun, you just need to know Japanese. It's not like the pun is even really explained in M21 or is really a plot point there.
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The Jecka spoilers for 1003:
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Ran "chuu" Shinichi on the cheek, Shinichi takes the antidote in time, and solves the case, not necessarily in that order

So the whodunit ends in this one, 1004.

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She better accept Okita's propose (even though he never proposed to her) and be happy with him instead of waiting for Shinichi. Okita has exactly the same appearance as Shinichi, so if she just loved how he looked like she should be happy, and (unlike Shinichi) he doesn't disappear for YEARS and appear out of nowhere just to disappear in a couple of minutes again. Ran surely could be happy if Okita would be by her side.
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Nemomon wrote:
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She better accept Okita's propose (even though he never proposed to her) and be happy with him instead of waiting for Shinichi. Okita has exactly the same appearance as Shinichi, so if she just loved how he looked like she should be happy, and (unlike Shinichi) he doesn't disappear for YEARS and appear out of nowhere just to disappear in a couple of minutes again. Ran surely could be happy if Okita would be by her side.
I don't know how you can support that... or even think about it... Why don't you just call it "Detective Soshi"? Ah right, because he is no detective :) Just got me so angry for some reason :x
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ShadowNeo wrote:
Nemomon wrote:
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She better accept Okita's propose (even though he never proposed to her) and be happy with him instead of waiting for Shinichi. Okita has exactly the same appearance as Shinichi, so if she just loved how he looked like she should be happy, and (unlike Shinichi) he doesn't disappear for YEARS and appear out of nowhere just to disappear in a couple of minutes again. Ran surely could be happy if Okita would be by her side.
I don't know how you can support that... or even think about it... Why don't you just call it "Detective Soshi"? Ah right, because he is no detective :) Just got me so angry for some reason :x
If it ended up like that, the neverending, heartbreaking romance would finally end, and Gosho would finally move his attention from a romance that nobody even cares to the BO that everybody wants to see solved.
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Nemomon wrote:If it ended up like that, the neverending, heartbreaking romance would finally end, and Gosho would finally move his attention from a romance that nobody even cares to the BO that everybody wants to see solved.
You'll forgive me if I call this projection, on your part—in fact, I'd say that some don't care about either, at this point (2017), because of just how long DC has gone on (at the very least, their investment—in one, the other, or both—has fallen so far below it's potential peak, but they still come back to see how it all ends, because of how good they once considered it to be... that's my guess, anyway).

Ran is Gosho's favorite character—and I think this has been the case even from the very start—and that's that. The Japanese audience is pretty invested, too, I'd say—that SS Super poll (https://www.facebook.com/DCTheRedThread ... 9298470351) about DC's best cases had Holmes' Revelation (743–752/616–621) at #4, Ran and Shinichi – First Contact (921–924/853–854) at #6, and Desperate Revival (251–260/188–193) at #10.
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And 1,005 is about her, so you're really not gonna like it...

Agata is our culprit for the case, by the way.
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Nemomon wrote:
ShadowNeo wrote:
Nemomon wrote:
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She better accept Okita's propose (even though he never proposed to her) and be happy with him instead of waiting for Shinichi. Okita has exactly the same appearance as Shinichi, so if she just loved how he looked like she should be happy, and (unlike Shinichi) he doesn't disappear for YEARS and appear out of nowhere just to disappear in a couple of minutes again. Ran surely could be happy if Okita would be by her side.
I don't know how you can support that... or even think about it... Why don't you just call it "Detective Soshi"? Ah right, because he is no detective :) Just got me so angry for some reason :x
If it ended up like that, the neverending, heartbreaking romance would finally end, and Gosho would finally move his attention from a romance that nobody even cares to the BO that everybody wants to see solved.
Detective Conan wouldn't be half as good as it is without all the love input (Heiji & Kazuha, Shinichi & Ran,...). You can't deny that, and if you do, then sorry but Detective Conan isn't the right Manga/Anime for you :)
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