Discussion Thread: Detective Conan Files 909-912

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I'm saying that Koyanagi Midori, the female reporter did this. The weapon was actually really simple. It was her fingernails. Most likely she sharpened one of her fingernails and then broke or clipped it. My reason for saying this is most clear from her panel on the last page of the first chapter of this story 909. There is blood on her fingernails. ALL of her fingernails. When you get cut on the face and reach up to touch it, you shouldn't get that much blood on the backs of your fingers just by touching the wound. Midori rigged the light bulb to explode and then used her glasses, which appear tinted, to see in the dark and move around to cut the two detectives Kogoro and Heiji (she wouldn't know that Conan is one as well). She then had to cut her self to explain why there would be blood on her hands. By reaching up towards her wound when light was pointed toward her, she completes the illusion that she was cut by someone else and she was panicking and rubbing the wound and getting blood on her hands. Not a single person in that group would have any problem at all with her washing her hands to get the blood off. Plus... now that everyone knows that there was blood on her hands, if her hand were tested with luminous then everyone would just think that the positive result would be the blood from her own wound. As Conan explains at the beginning of the chapter, only THE CLAWS of the Kamaitachi are shaped like sickles.
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I realized the blood on ALL of Koyanagi Midori's fingernails too.
Maybe the bubble gum she was chewing could be related to the light bulb...
I agree with the other theories as well.
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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan Files 909-9XX

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jimmy_kud0_tv2 wrote:
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Here is how I see the first chapter's mystery going down, the getting cut in the dark room.

First off, there is one person who could shatter the light bulb and then move around in the dark cutting people and then hide the weapon in plain sight. It seems that some of the people at the Spoiler box have already figured out how the light bulb was shattered. Gum. Gum was placed on the light bulb which concentrated heat into a single spot to shatter the light bulb. (See this reddit page on something similar done in the tv show Lie to Me : Link) But how did the person see in the dark? and Where did the weapon go? One trick to see in the dark would be to cover one eye with an eye patch so that eye is very sensitive to light.... another way is to wear Red Tinted glasses. At this source : Link Tip #4 suggests that "Red-tinted lens works by filtering out everything in the visible spectrum except red. Since the rods in our eye rods aren't sensitive to red, the glasses create an illusion of darkness for your eyes to start adjusting to low light." While this source : Link Point #2 suggests that you can get flash blindness while wearing Red-tinted lenses, you can compensate by closing one eye to prevent what its known as "flash blindness". When the culprit approached the lamp, all they would have to do is close one eye while placing the gum on the light bulb, then look away from the light. They would still have a few seconds for their eyes to adjust back to the low light of the Red-tinted glasses. THEN, once the light goes out, they would be able to slightly see in the dark and could move around to cut the victims, while the victims would stay still because their eyes would still be adjusting to the low level light.

I'm saying that Koyanagi Midori, the female reporter did this. The weapon was actually really simple. It was her fingernails. Most likely she sharpened one of her fingernails and then broke or clipped it. My reason for saying this is most clear from her panel on the last page of the first chapter of this story 909. There is blood on her fingernails. ALL of her fingernails. When you get cut on the face and reach up to touch it, you shouldn't get that much blood on the backs of your fingers just by touching the wound. Midori rigged the light bulb to explode and then used her glasses, which appear tinted, to see in the dark and move around to cut the two detectives Kogoro and Heiji (she wouldn't know that Conan is one as well). She then had to cut her self to explain why there would be blood on her hands. By reaching up towards her wound when light was pointed toward her, she completes the illusion that she was cut by someone else and she was panicking and rubbing the wound and getting blood on her hands. Not a single person in that group would have any problem at all with her washing her hands to get the blood off. Plus... now that everyone knows that there was blood on her hands, if her hand were tested with luminous then everyone would just think that the positive result would be the blood from her own wound. As Conan explains at the beginning of the chapter, only THE CLAWS of the Kamaitachi are shaped like sickles.

However, I am having difficulty linking her to the original appearance of the Kamaitachi. Its possible that the owner and the male reporter collaborated on that stunt. Another thing mentioned on the Spoiler box is that it is possible that the spa tub was filled with non-newtonian fluid ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2XQ97XHjVw ). This would litterally allow you to run across the surface of the liquid because adults have a higher center of gravity and would put less stress on the surface. The kid however, has a lot lower of a center of gravity and would sink.

As for chapter 910, I think its highly possible that we will find out that Koyanagi Midori was either a previous employee who has come back with a different appearance (unlikely because she is only 26), or that she may have been present during the original faking of the photo for the Kamaitachi, either assisting with it, or was one of the people that got peeped on during the candid camera photo shoot that got turned in at the same time as the Kamaitachi photo.

Adding to her list of things that make her guilty is that she tossed a rock out into the water of the spa tub to show that you can't walk on it as they were going toward the sound of the Old man. If any one of the adults had tried to run through the water thinking it would be quicker than going around, the trick of the water might have been discovered. This at least means that she knows the trick done there and possibly is the one who murdered the Old man.
Yeah pretty spot on but the light bulb could honestly be broken down with something else also, maybe from afar.
I'm interested in seeing what motivates the journalist dude. He doesn't seem to be the culprit so far but does he just want popularity or something. Could it be related to the spa itself losing customers, maybe he made a deal with the victim and decided to be the kamaitachi himself?
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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan Files 909-9XX

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k11chi wrote:
jimmy_kud0_tv2 wrote:
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Here is how I see the first chapter's mystery going down, the getting cut in the dark room.

First off, there is one person who could shatter the light bulb and then move around in the dark cutting people and then hide the weapon in plain sight. It seems that some of the people at the Spoiler box have already figured out how the light bulb was shattered. Gum. Gum was placed on the light bulb which concentrated heat into a single spot to shatter the light bulb. (See this reddit page on something similar done in the tv show Lie to Me : Link) But how did the person see in the dark? and Where did the weapon go? One trick to see in the dark would be to cover one eye with an eye patch so that eye is very sensitive to light.... another way is to wear Red Tinted glasses. At this source : Link Tip #4 suggests that "Red-tinted lens works by filtering out everything in the visible spectrum except red. Since the rods in our eye rods aren't sensitive to red, the glasses create an illusion of darkness for your eyes to start adjusting to low light." While this source : Link Point #2 suggests that you can get flash blindness while wearing Red-tinted lenses, you can compensate by closing one eye to prevent what its known as "flash blindness". When the culprit approached the lamp, all they would have to do is close one eye while placing the gum on the light bulb, then look away from the light. They would still have a few seconds for their eyes to adjust back to the low light of the Red-tinted glasses. THEN, once the light goes out, they would be able to slightly see in the dark and could move around to cut the victims, while the victims would stay still because their eyes would still be adjusting to the low level light.

I'm saying that Koyanagi Midori, the female reporter did this. The weapon was actually really simple. It was her fingernails. Most likely she sharpened one of her fingernails and then broke or clipped it. My reason for saying this is most clear from her panel on the last page of the first chapter of this story 909. There is blood on her fingernails. ALL of her fingernails. When you get cut on the face and reach up to touch it, you shouldn't get that much blood on the backs of your fingers just by touching the wound. Midori rigged the light bulb to explode and then used her glasses, which appear tinted, to see in the dark and move around to cut the two detectives Kogoro and Heiji (she wouldn't know that Conan is one as well). She then had to cut her self to explain why there would be blood on her hands. By reaching up towards her wound when light was pointed toward her, she completes the illusion that she was cut by someone else and she was panicking and rubbing the wound and getting blood on her hands. Not a single person in that group would have any problem at all with her washing her hands to get the blood off. Plus... now that everyone knows that there was blood on her hands, if her hand were tested with luminous then everyone would just think that the positive result would be the blood from her own wound. As Conan explains at the beginning of the chapter, only THE CLAWS of the Kamaitachi are shaped like sickles.

However, I am having difficulty linking her to the original appearance of the Kamaitachi. Its possible that the owner and the male reporter collaborated on that stunt. Another thing mentioned on the Spoiler box is that it is possible that the spa tub was filled with non-newtonian fluid ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2XQ97XHjVw ). This would litterally allow you to run across the surface of the liquid because adults have a higher center of gravity and would put less stress on the surface. The kid however, has a lot lower of a center of gravity and would sink.

As for chapter 910, I think its highly possible that we will find out that Koyanagi Midori was either a previous employee who has come back with a different appearance (unlikely because she is only 26), or that she may have been present during the original faking of the photo for the Kamaitachi, either assisting with it, or was one of the people that got peeped on during the candid camera photo shoot that got turned in at the same time as the Kamaitachi photo.

Adding to her list of things that make her guilty is that she tossed a rock out into the water of the spa tub to show that you can't walk on it as they were going toward the sound of the Old man. If any one of the adults had tried to run through the water thinking it would be quicker than going around, the trick of the water might have been discovered. This at least means that she knows the trick done there and possibly is the one who murdered the Old man.
Yeah pretty spot on but the light bulb could honestly be broken down with something else also, maybe from afar.
I'm interested in seeing what motivates the journalist dude. He doesn't seem to be the culprit so far but does he just want popularity or something. Could it be related to the spa itself losing customers, maybe he made a deal with the victim and decided to be the kamaitachi himself?
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I really liked the gum theory because the internet showed it can work, and the character is chewing gum right up until then, with the gum found afterwords. It is possible she used the gum plus something else to make sure that it exploded though. If you look at the panel that shows us the light bulb exploding, you can see a little black bump on top of the light fixture that you can't see in any of the other panels. Maybe this is part of the something else? As the owner mentioned in ch910, a "thief" broke into the storage shed and did not take anything, this easily could be her figuring out and setting up this trick (like disabling the other light bulb).

One thing really bothers me about the victim at the end of 910 though. The scythe is a pretty big weapon and it looks like the victim has three distinct stab wounds from the point of the blade. In order to get three stab wounds from the point of the blade, the victim would have to have been standing at a really weird angle for the murderer to swing that giant scythe and hit him with the blade point, OR the victim could have been on the ground for all three wounds.
The question of the day is, what was the victim screaming about when they heard him scream? All of the suspects and main characters were gathered at the little boy's room at the time of that scream because he experienced a similar light explosion trick followed by popping balloons. I don't think the victim was being murdered when we heard his scream, mostly because the main suspect was still with everyone else. Maybe the scream was from something that caused him to fall to the floor and possibly loose consciousness? ....The Owner, who doesn't seem to know why lights keep exploding seems to know about the walking over the hot springs water. When asked if there was a short cut she responded with that the quickest even though she still had knowledge that there was water in the pool and that it hadn't been cleaned. I think she was almost willing to reveal the trick because she really though that the old man might be hurt. However Koyanagi Midori, the female reporter tossed a rock or something into the pool to show you can't walk on water and maybe the owner had second thoughts. However here is where I think things happened. Once the main characters begin to run around to the other entrance, I think Midori split off and took the short cut over the pool of liquid and killed him and then rejoined the group while they were in the darkness of the annex. I think this mainly because all of the panels that show them running to the other entrance only really show the Owner, Kogoro, Heiji, and Conan (and what looks like Yamamura in the angle from above in the snow). You can't see the faces of either reporter until they appear behind the main cast after they find the body on the last page of the chapter. As for the hole in the sliding door, for some reason, I don't buy that it was sliced with the scythe, it almost looks like something impacted it in the center and then the rip spread outward.
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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan Files 909-9XX

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Very good insight there, thanks a lot! I was thinking the old man (Ohno) was teaming up with an accomplice to fake the previous light bulb incident in the storage shed, and his screaming out loud from the annex could be another plan of theirs which went wrong as the accomplice took advantage of the situation to split up and kill him in the end. Anyway, very good observations you have got. Looking forward to the next file~
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jimmy_kud0_tv2 wrote:
k11chi wrote:
jimmy_kud0_tv2 wrote:
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Here is how I see the first chapter's mystery going down, the getting cut in the dark room.

First off, there is one person who could shatter the light bulb and then move around in the dark cutting people and then hide the weapon in plain sight. It seems that some of the people at the Spoiler box have already figured out how the light bulb was shattered. Gum. Gum was placed on the light bulb which concentrated heat into a single spot to shatter the light bulb. (See this reddit page on something similar done in the tv show Lie to Me : Link) But how did the person see in the dark? and Where did the weapon go? One trick to see in the dark would be to cover one eye with an eye patch so that eye is very sensitive to light.... another way is to wear Red Tinted glasses. At this source : Link Tip #4 suggests that "Red-tinted lens works by filtering out everything in the visible spectrum except red. Since the rods in our eye rods aren't sensitive to red, the glasses create an illusion of darkness for your eyes to start adjusting to low light." While this source : Link Point #2 suggests that you can get flash blindness while wearing Red-tinted lenses, you can compensate by closing one eye to prevent what its known as "flash blindness". When the culprit approached the lamp, all they would have to do is close one eye while placing the gum on the light bulb, then look away from the light. They would still have a few seconds for their eyes to adjust back to the low light of the Red-tinted glasses. THEN, once the light goes out, they would be able to slightly see in the dark and could move around to cut the victims, while the victims would stay still because their eyes would still be adjusting to the low level light.

I'm saying that Koyanagi Midori, the female reporter did this. The weapon was actually really simple. It was her fingernails. Most likely she sharpened one of her fingernails and then broke or clipped it. My reason for saying this is most clear from her panel on the last page of the first chapter of this story 909. There is blood on her fingernails. ALL of her fingernails. When you get cut on the face and reach up to touch it, you shouldn't get that much blood on the backs of your fingers just by touching the wound. Midori rigged the light bulb to explode and then used her glasses, which appear tinted, to see in the dark and move around to cut the two detectives Kogoro and Heiji (she wouldn't know that Conan is one as well). She then had to cut her self to explain why there would be blood on her hands. By reaching up towards her wound when light was pointed toward her, she completes the illusion that she was cut by someone else and she was panicking and rubbing the wound and getting blood on her hands. Not a single person in that group would have any problem at all with her washing her hands to get the blood off. Plus... now that everyone knows that there was blood on her hands, if her hand were tested with luminous then everyone would just think that the positive result would be the blood from her own wound. As Conan explains at the beginning of the chapter, only THE CLAWS of the Kamaitachi are shaped like sickles.

However, I am having difficulty linking her to the original appearance of the Kamaitachi. Its possible that the owner and the male reporter collaborated on that stunt. Another thing mentioned on the Spoiler box is that it is possible that the spa tub was filled with non-newtonian fluid ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2XQ97XHjVw ). This would litterally allow you to run across the surface of the liquid because adults have a higher center of gravity and would put less stress on the surface. The kid however, has a lot lower of a center of gravity and would sink.

As for chapter 910, I think its highly possible that we will find out that Koyanagi Midori was either a previous employee who has come back with a different appearance (unlikely because she is only 26), or that she may have been present during the original faking of the photo for the Kamaitachi, either assisting with it, or was one of the people that got peeped on during the candid camera photo shoot that got turned in at the same time as the Kamaitachi photo.

Adding to her list of things that make her guilty is that she tossed a rock out into the water of the spa tub to show that you can't walk on it as they were going toward the sound of the Old man. If any one of the adults had tried to run through the water thinking it would be quicker than going around, the trick of the water might have been discovered. This at least means that she knows the trick done there and possibly is the one who murdered the Old man.
Yeah pretty spot on but the light bulb could honestly be broken down with something else also, maybe from afar.
I'm interested in seeing what motivates the journalist dude. He doesn't seem to be the culprit so far but does he just want popularity or something. Could it be related to the spa itself losing customers, maybe he made a deal with the victim and decided to be the kamaitachi himself?
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I really liked the gum theory because the internet showed it can work, and the character is chewing gum right up until then, with the gum found afterwords. It is possible she used the gum plus something else to make sure that it exploded though. If you look at the panel that shows us the light bulb exploding, you can see a little black bump on top of the light fixture that you can't see in any of the other panels. Maybe this is part of the something else? As the owner mentioned in ch910, a "thief" broke into the storage shed and did not take anything, this easily could be her figuring out and setting up this trick (like disabling the other light bulb).

One thing really bothers me about the victim at the end of 910 though. The scythe is a pretty big weapon and it looks like the victim has three distinct stab wounds from the point of the blade. In order to get three stab wounds from the point of the blade, the victim would have to have been standing at a really weird angle for the murderer to swing that giant scythe and hit him with the blade point, OR the victim could have been on the ground for all three wounds.

The question of the day is, what was the victim screaming about when they heard him scream? All of the suspects and main characters were gathered at the little boy's room at the time of that scream because he experienced a similar light explosion trick followed by popping balloons. I don't think the victim was being murdered when we heard his scream, mostly because the main suspect was still with everyone else. Maybe the scream was from something that caused him to fall to the floor and possibly loose consciousness? ....The Owner, who doesn't seem to know why lights keep exploding seems to know about the walking over the hot springs water. When asked if there was a short cut she responded with that the quickest even though she still had knowledge that there was water in the pool and that it hadn't been cleaned. I think she was almost willing to reveal the trick because she really though that the old man might be hurt. However Koyanagi Midori, the female reporter tossed a rock or something into the pool to show you can't walk on water and maybe the owner had second thoughts. However here is where I think things happened. Once the main characters begin to run around to the other entrance, I think Midori split off and took the short cut over the pool of liquid and killed him and then rejoined the group while they were in the darkness of the annex. I think this mainly because all of the panels that show them running to the other entrance only really show the Owner, Kogoro, Heiji, and Conan (and what looks like Yamamura in the angle from above in the snow). You can't see the faces of either reporter until they appear behind the main cast after they find the body on the last page of the chapter. As for the hole in the sliding door, for some reason, I don't buy that it was sliced with the scythe, it almost looks like something impacted it in the center and then the rip spread outward.
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To summarize the points I had above, I think the killer is Koyanagi Midori. I think that she used the bubble gum she was chewing, possibly combined with something else to break the light bulb. The glasses shes wearing are shaded, probably red, and those would help her see in the dark once the lights went out. Then I thought that she could have used her fingernails (sharpened) to cut both Heiji and Kogoro, and then herself. This would explain the extra blood on both of her hands on the back of each finger. However due to ch911 I think this needs reworking. Conan finds blood on the sliding door that was cut in the annex building. This means there is probably still blood on the weapon used in this apart of the case, which can't be her fingernails because she would have had to wash them. Now I am thinking the glasses serve a double purpose. Most glasses have rubber or plastic stoppers on the ends of the parts that go behind your ears, which could be covering a sharpened points that still have blood from Heiji's and Kogoro's arms.

The main problem I have having is the balloon popping. The way it is described is that the florescent lamp blew, then the balloons went out one by one (ch910). Then later Ran says that several of the balloons burst at the same time (ch911). Then they explain that while this is happening that droplets of a really cold liquid dripped on them even with the window shutters closed, and that the room smelled like bathroom detergent. When trying to look this up I kept seeing experiments to pop balloons using liquid nitrogen, but that would be way to dangerous for just trying to scare someone and would probably hurt really bad if it dripped directly on someone. On top of this they found several BB gun shells and a hole to shoot through, but that would be difficult to do with out hitting someone as well as to hit several balloons at once from an odd angle.

I really don't think that Koyanagi Midori could do this part though. The Owner, Oono Takami, of the place was really insistent that her son stay in his room to decorate, so its likely she did this and set it up as a timed thing that he would need to be in his room for. As for why, it could be connected to the original Kamaitachi photo that probably was set up by her, to be photographed by the male reporter, Nakama Daigo. While they were setting up the pool and filming the running on water, the son witnessed it. He tried to chase across the water and got stuck, which could be the result of a lower center of gravity. As Takami said, she had to take her son to the hospital as a result of him falling in and could not clean the tub. It was also said that Midori was there at the same time and that was one of the only times both reporters where there at the same time. While Takami was at the hospital, Midori probably figured out the trick and entered/robbed the storage room at that point. We are also told that at that time she didn't need glasses, which adds to the fact that she is only wearing them now to pull off the storage room trick, and then we are told that a long time a go, a waitress with a kid was fired. Midori is only 26 and too young to be the waitress, so its possible that she was the kid and is here to take revenge for the situation her mother was put in.

As for the actual murder of Oono Bonzou, I still think that Koyanagi Midori did it. Its possible that while Takami was taking her son to the hospital in the past that Midori had plenty of time to explore the layout of the building and discover the location of the scythe, disable the other lights, and possibly even find the tape that has the old man screaming while getting a massage. In the present while everyone was sitting around discussing the events that happened in the storage room, she was probably making sure the tape set up would work. When Takami's trick involving the room her son was decorating happened, she ran to the room and as a result was further back from the door than Takami and Daigo. Then the tape goes off and Takami says that the quickest way to the annex is to cross the hot springs, which she knows isn't clean. Midori instantly throws a rock into the pool to show you can't walk on water and they all try to go around another way. Then she probably doubled back and grabbed the scythe and ran across the water and jumped over the rocks on the other side because. Then walked over to the annex using the scythe to cover her tracks as explained in the chapter. That same trick can't be done with the rocks because they aren't a smooth surface and some part of the foot prints would be left if she stepped on them. She entered the annex and cut the power and walked around in the dark using the same trick with the darkened glasses to adjust her eyes to the dark. Then killed Bonzou in the dark with the scythe, and used the sharpened end of the glasses mentioned above to cut the door. Then she could rejoin the group in the dark as the entered the annex.

It is possible that some of the events of the murder had to happen earlier though, it seems unlikely that she could accomplish all of those things that quickly and be done with them by the time everyone else arrived. As for Daigo, he seems like that extra suspect that is just there to have extra suspects. He is overly superstitious about the whole Kamaitachi thing and doesn't seem to even know about the pool of water trick. The owner Takami probably just ridged all of that so he could see it and get him to turn it in to his company to attract more customers.

Just my thoughts.
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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan Files 909-9XX

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After file 911, my idea of the Oono victim being somehow involved in mysterious incidents at the hotel seems to have shattered. Midori the female reporter still remains the most probable culprit, but new details in the file opened up other possibilities of the other reporter's involvement as well. It looks like the victim truly cared about the hotel business, and I think there may have been a misunderstanding somewhere along the lines. The old man being harsh on the waitress in the past may have been justifiable. The motive for all of this could be something else, like greed, instead of personal vendetta. Anw looking forward to the next file for the solution.
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I wonder if Ran will en-light Kazuha about Heiji's feelings towards her. I doubt that they would become the couple after that case is finish, but it would be nice to have some development between those two.

When I found out that Rum's one eye is injured, I thought about inspector Yamato, right away. I highly doubt that he is, but it would be big plot twist if he is.
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Yeah, he most likely isn't since he has already seen Haibara (Dangerous couple ep). Based on what we know so far about Rum, he wouldn't have left such an opportunity to bring Sherry back to the Org/kill her.

But since it's Gosho, he couldn't help but to troll us. The fact that Gosho brought up something so blatant that Yamato could be Rum is tickling me though, since we'll definitely think he isn't as he hasn't behaved like an Org agent etc. So I've come to think that Yamato-keiji might get involved in this Rum arc somehow(well, of course since Conan has to check whether Yamato=Rum, if he keeps thinking he might be Rum though), maybe a little more than what we'd expect. He might get targeted by the BO because he has too many Rum characteristics?
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Sorry for being MIA these past few months. So much has happened, including a nearly month and a half hospital stay. Anyway, what happened in chapter 912 regarding Heiji and Kazuha? I can't find it anyplace. In the beginning of 913, they seemed so peeved with one another. I'm also curious of the culprit. I know I should look back, but felt it would be easier to just ask it here since it's specific.
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ssjup81 wrote:Sorry for being MIA these past few months. So much has happened, including a nearly month and a half hospital stay. Anyway, what happened in chapter 912 regarding Heiji and Kazuha? I can't find it anyplace. In the beginning of 913, they seemed so peeved with one another. I'm also curious of the culprit. I know I should look back, but felt it would be easier to just ask it here since it's specific.
Put under spoiler boxes because it is still the end of the case and people may still come here looking for stuff but might not want to know exactly how it ended.

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remember back a few cases ago to when Conan recorded Heiji's voice when he was trying to protect Kazuka from someone he though was a drug dealer? Conan then played it back to him at the beginning of this case to get him to bring Conan a new case to work on.... Conan's phone accidentally went off during the case and they tried to cover it up. I think that Heiji forces him to delete it. However Kazuha still remembers the line from that case and told Ran about it. Ran may have tried to convince her that Heiji might confess about his love. They confronted Heiji about it and of course he tells a lie to get around it. He claims he did not say "Ore no" which means "my" but rather he said "Onore" which means "you bastard. The two lines would translate as "What are you going to MY Kazuha" and "What are you doing to Kazuha, YOU BASTARD". Basically since Heiji did not confess, she kind of got mad at him. ALSO Conan tells Heiji that the recording of his line is saved to each of the Detective Boys phones and that Haibara specifically has it set as her ring tone.
Case Stuff
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Conan and Heiji come to the conclusion that the tub must be filled with a very thick liquid and to test this they repeat all of their actions starting from when they heard the old man scream. First they toss a rock into the tub as was done earlier to prove that it would be difficult to go though and that there are no platform type things under the surface. Then everyone except Conan heads to the place where the body was. Conan says that he wants to stay behind. ...but somehow Conan arrives there at the same time they did even though he did not follow them. Conan then proceeds to show them how it is possible to run on the surface of the liquid while Heiji explains. The liquid in the tub is actually Kudzu soup. Kudzu soup contains high amounts of starch and is a non-Newtonian liquid. You can actually find videos about this stuff on Youtube because you can do the same thing with custard, if you have enough to fill a swimming pool. At this point they reveal that he killer is Koyanagi Midori, the female reporter. In the first incident she stuck chewing gum to the light bulb to make it explode. She then slashed people with supposed razors hidden uder her finger nails (although we never see them). She was able to find and cut Mouri and Heiji in the dark because of both the dark shades she was wearing which would adjust her eyes to darkness and the fact that Mouri was holding a cigarette and Heiji has a glow in the dark watch. She cut herself as to maker herself look like a victim. In the second incident she used a water gun filled with lemon juice (we never see the gun). We are told that balloons are made of a material that is designed to shrink when they come into contact with citrus. This is why the room had a lemon smell. The third incident was of course her trying to prove that you can't walk on water by throwing a stone into the tub. Then when people weren't looking she ran across and killed the old man in the dark annex and rejoined the group before they noticed she was missing. It turns out that she was the daughter of the previous employee that had been fired. The picture of the kamaitachi from the beginning of the case was a picture of her from when she was doing a test run of her trick.
I hope that I can find someway to contribute to the community even if it's just random crack theories and looking things up for people who can't find the information they need.
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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan Files 909-912

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jimmy_kud0_tv2 wrote:
ssjup81 wrote:Sorry for being MIA these past few months. So much has happened, including a nearly month and a half hospital stay. Anyway, what happened in chapter 912 regarding Heiji and Kazuha? I can't find it anyplace. In the beginning of 913, they seemed so peeved with one another. I'm also curious of the culprit. I know I should look back, but felt it would be easier to just ask it here since it's specific.
Put under spoiler boxes because it is still the end of the case and people may still come here looking for stuff but might not want to know exactly how it ended.

Heiji stuff
Spoiler:
remember back a few cases ago to when Conan recorded Heiji's voice when he was trying to protect Kazuka from someone he though was a drug dealer? Conan then played it back to him at the beginning of this case to get him to bring Conan a new case to work on.... Conan's phone accidentally went off during the case and they tried to cover it up. I think that Heiji forces him to delete it. However Kazuha still remembers the line from that case and told Ran about it. Ran may have tried to convince her that Heiji might confess about his love. They confronted Heiji about it and of course he tells a lie to get around it. He claims he did not say "Ore no" which means "my" but rather he said "Onore" which means "you bastard. The two lines would translate as "What are you going to MY Kazuha" and "What are you doing to Kazuha, YOU BASTARD". Basically since Heiji did not confess, she kind of got mad at him. ALSO Conan tells Heiji that the recording of his line is saved to each of the Detective Boys phones and that Haibara specifically has it set as her ring tone.
Case Stuff
Spoiler:
Conan and Heiji come to the conclusion that the tub must be filled with a very thick liquid and to test this they repeat all of their actions starting from when they heard the old man scream. First they toss a rock into the tub as was done earlier to prove that it would be difficult to go though and that there are no platform type things under the surface. Then everyone except Conan heads to the place where the body was. Conan says that he wants to stay behind. ...but somehow Conan arrives there at the same time they did even though he did not follow them. Conan then proceeds to show them how it is possible to run on the surface of the liquid while Heiji explains. The liquid in the tub is actually Kudzu soup. Kudzu soup contains high amounts of starch and is a non-Newtonian liquid. You can actually find videos about this stuff on Youtube because you can do the same thing with custard, if you have enough to fill a swimming pool. At this point they reveal that he killer is Koyanagi Midori, the female reporter. In the first incident she stuck chewing gum to the light bulb to make it explode. She then slashed people with supposed razors hidden uder her finger nails (although we never see them). She was able to find and cut Mouri and Heiji in the dark because of both the dark shades she was wearing which would adjust her eyes to darkness and the fact that Mouri was holding a cigarette and Heiji has a glow in the dark watch. She cut herself as to maker herself look like a victim. In the second incident she used a water gun filled with lemon juice (we never see the gun). We are told that balloons are made of a material that is designed to shrink when they come into contact with citrus. This is why the room had a lemon smell. The third incident was of course her trying to prove that you can't walk on water by throwing a stone into the tub. Then when people weren't looking she ran across and killed the old man in the dark annex and rejoined the group before they noticed she was missing. It turns out that she was the daughter of the previous employee that had been fired. The picture of the kamaitachi from the beginning of the case was a picture of her from when she was doing a test run of her trick.
I couldn't figure out the trick, but the culprit I kind of did.

That aside, thanks for filling me in. I can now go back to the manga now.
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Re: Discussion Thread: Detective Conan Files 909-912

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The ending was so good, the best part was with Ai and Agasa. Of course, Heiji will compete with Kudo, even if it comes to confessing to a girl, but then I guess we will get Heiji's confession to Kazuha, eventually.
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