If Conan, Heiji, Kaito Kid fought with B.O. will they win?

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Abs. wrote: Thing is, in DC-land committing suicide is also a crime/a big no-no, as it is still the act of taking someone's life.  It is also a way to escape from punishment/a mistaken way of trying to atone for wrongdoing (this is from the mouths of the characters).  Bad all around.  So basically it's the same as with any other crime: If Shinichi (or anyone else, whether it be Shizuka or Takagi, etc.) can prevent it from happening, he (or they) will.
I say, if a person wants to kill himself, even if it's running away, let him do so, it's his choice. If a person really wants to suicide, then he'll succeed in prison where Conan isn't around to stop him. I see death as the greatest punishment of all.
Abs. wrote: See it as a "with great power comes great responsibility" thing if you wish.
But that's exactly a superhero thing...
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Kor wrote: I say, if a person wants to kill himself, even if it's running away, let him do so, it's his choice. If a person really wants to suicide, then he'll succeed in prison where Conan isn't around to stop him. I see death as the greatest punishment of all.
Yes, that's what you think. Conan doesn't. Different opinions on controversal stuff, y'know. This series just does a good job of not randomly question every single thing a person does in every episode in some weird attempt to avoid any actual plot development by making every bad guy ever try to justify everything they do. (I think you know which anime I'm talking about)
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mangaluva wrote: If they're going to defeat the BO, it's going to be a slow chip-away thing. Defeat a few small-time members, luck into some info about larger members, start catching a few of them until you find some bigger info... It's not going to happen in one blow.
Even if they get the boss, it's not going to get all of them. Some chancer'll step into the big spot. You'd need to take out him and all of his important associates at once, then try to get some lesser members... however it happens, it's not happening fast.
I don't know, I think if we knew what exactly they were after then a single blow may or may not be realistic.  It does not appear to be money (for it's own sake) or power in any traditional way.  Also, there are a lot of costs associated with they way they operate; for instance, they cannot grow or replenish their ranks very quickly.  Whatever they are after, though, they are fanatical about; they all seem to prefer death to being captured.  So, if they are united for something that can be permanently denied, then they are stoppable with one stroke.  If the leadership changes, they may change their operational philosophy.  For that matter if they get exposed to the world, they may have a very hard time existing. (Why on earth would they take secrecy to the extreme they do, when in a lot of ways it is a self defeating effort?  There should be some good reason they are so afraid of being known.)

It could even be as simple as the organization has been hoodwinked by the boss, and exposing his true plans will cause an internal revolt.   I just hope the BO gets resolved sooner rather than later, since things just seem to be dragging on, and I don't think the story is ever going to get really dark, which is the only fresh way I could see things going if they BO sticks around.
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My MK-influenced theory of what they are "after" is immortality, which if it really IS MK-influenced means they can probably be stopped in one blow by destroying Pandora. If it's not that MK-influenced, a leadership change may do it, but they will still exist. Few people, when placed in charge of an organization that powerful, would simply disband it. For some reason, though, Vermouth gives me the impression that she would.
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Kor wrote: That's the first problem I have with DC, there is no way for a satisfying good ending regarding the B.O. If the B.O. is defeated, it will be either a cheesy ending or as you said, an ending in which they defeat the B.O. off screen.
I think the series started bright, continued bright (except episode 345) and will end bright. There is this badass organization, yet everything is bright all the time. I'd really want this series to start to take a much darker turn when things will actually start to become dangerous for Conan and his friends. I wouldn't mind if it'd take even more time to finish it.
I'd be really satisfied with a dark ending when some of Conan's friends will really die or even Conan dies and the organization continues to exists, but the odds of that are...low...

how about stopping with all the random cases and make something that puts Conan's usual life in danger and he has to start and do things differently from now on? I mean, wouldn't it be much more thrilling if everyone started to be in danger and Conan had to tell some of them his secret?
I would personally love a darker turn but I don't think DC being bright most of the time is a bad thing. It's actually what sets it apart from all the other series in my book. It manages to put a smile on my face even without exhausting gore and psychological horror.

As for Conan trying to prevent suicidal criminals, I also wish he would realize that he can only do so much but it's cool that he tries. Obviously, I'm too lazy to quote from earlier posts - it's about growing up, I think. He doesn't have to blame himself for the Moonlight Sonata case.
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