It is not like the BO to be so reckless...

[Black Demon]

I find it very unusual that the BO members don't turn off their key-pad tone while pressing the Boss' number (though Vermouth and Kir are the only two shown doing that). Anyone familiar to this song can easily point out that it is "Nanatsu no ko" (as proved in the manga, people seem to recognize it). Therefore easily find out about the boss' number. Due to the boss' cautious personality, I think this is OOC.

In V46 - chapter 7 - page 3, Conan suggests that the purpose of this song is "for the bad guys to remember the number", as "they don't have to save it", therefore "they won't expose their boss' telephone number". Yes, for Kir only. Hasn't Vermouth been in the Org. for more than 20 years ? She should have learned it by heart (unless there have been many changes in number during these 20 years). And if you pay close attention, you'll see that "#969#6261" is even easier to remember than normal phone numbers. So again, if there weren't many changes in number, then Conan's theory didn't stand well. Not to mention that this song will "expose the boss' number" even more.


Therefore I have another theory. The boss' order his/her agents to purposely "fake" the number every time they contact him/her, by this following method:

Step 1: Turn off the key-pad tone, then dial the boss' real number.

Step 2: Delete the number (of course).

Step 3: Turn on key-pad tone again, dial "#969#6261" to create the "Nanatsu no ko" sound, without sending any message.

By following this method, they don't have to fear that anyone may hear it. In fact, it'll actually mislead the listener into thinking that the boss' number was based on that song, because it's easy to remember. Of course normal people won't actually pay attention, but if somebody has already known they were dialing the boss' number (like Conan), then they will be tricked. It also fits the boss' cautious personality.

But if this really is the case, then why "Nanatsu no ko" ? Like I said above, the listener (like Conan) would be misled that this song's main purpose is for the BO members to dial without having to save anything (because it's catchy), and would easily believe that it is the real number. Another possible reason is that the boss "force" his/her agents to hear the song every time they dial it, as a way of warning ("If you betray me, then..."). Since I don't understand the hidden meaning of this song, it's pure speculation. I don't know why I even have this thought...

[Abs.]

For maximum cautiousness, just turn off the key-pad tone and don't fake anything. Why would you give anyone anything to go on to connect you to a group of people?

(Vermouth, Kir, Ethan Hondou, and Kusuda Rikumichi)

(Also I'm sure the reason behind this whole thing is to just throw the dog a bone as far as the plot goes - it gave up Kusuda to Eisuke and Kir to Conan)

[Black Demon]

For maximum cautiousness, just turn off the key-pad tone and don't fake anything. Why would you give anyone anything to go on to connect you to a group of people?

(Vermouth, Kir, Ethan Hondou, and Kusuda Rikumichi)

(Also I'm sure the reason behind this whole thing is to just throw the dog a bone as far as the plot goes - it gave up Kusuda to Eisuke and Kir to Conan)

Agree. Either way it'll give outsiders some clues. In real life, nobody would even take that risk.

[Borealis]

I find it very unusual that the BO members don't turn off their key-pad tone while pressing the Boss' number (though Vermouth and Kir are the only two shown doing that). Anyone familiar to this song can easily point out that it is "Nanatsu no ko" (as proved in the manga, people seem to recognize it). Therefore easily find out about the boss' number. Due to the boss' cautious personality, I think this is OOC.

In V46 - chapter 7 - page 3, Conan suggests that the purpose of this song is "for the bad guys to remember the number", as "they don't have to save it", therefore "they won't expose their boss' telephone number". Yes, for Kir only. Hasn't Vermouth been in the Org. for more than 20 years ? She should have learned it by heart (unless there have been many changes in number during these 20 years). And if you pay close attention, you'll see that "#969#6261" is even easier to remember than normal phone numbers. So again, if there weren't many changes in number, then Conan's theory didn't stand well. Not to mention that this song will "expose the boss' number" even more.


Therefore I have another theory. The boss' order his/her agents to purposely "fake" the number every time they contact him/her, by this following method:

Step 1: Turn off the key-pad tone, then dial the boss' real number.

Step 2: Delete the number (of course).

Step 3: Turn on key-pad tone again, dial "#969#6261" to create the "Nanatsu no ko" sound, without sending any message.

By following this method, they don't have to fear that anyone may hear it. In fact, it'll actually mislead the listener into thinking that the boss' number was based on that song, because it's easy to remember. Of course normal people won't actually pay attention, but if somebody has already known they were dialing the boss' number (like Conan), then they will be tricked. It also fits the boss' cautious personality.

But if this really is the case, then why "Nanatsu no ko" ? Like I said above, the listener (like Conan) would be misled that this song's main purpose is for the BO members to dial without having to save anything (because it's catchy), and would easily believe that it is the real number. Another possible reason is that the boss "force" his/her agents to hear the song every time they dial it, as a way of warning ("If you betray me, then..."). Since I don't understand the hidden meaning of this song, it's pure speculation. I don't know why I even have this thought...

1)I can only speak for myself, but... How many people knew how to turn that off in the time that chapter with Vermouth was released and was it even possible at that time (technology changes fast)
2) I'm sure that the memers were told not to contact the boss when surounded by agents. Even when someone was following them, they would have a hard time hearing the melody from some metres away and perhaps some talking people between them or cars driving nearby. Vermouth thought that Conan was unconcious and Kir had no clue she was bugged and she was in a place you would easily notice someone aproaching.
3)Again, she had no clue Conan was listening (and perhaps thought that he wouldn't recognise it anyway, considereing Shinichi's "musical talent") and perhaps she didn't know how to turn off the key-pad tone (perhaps new mobile?)
4)regarding remembering phone numbers: I may be speaking only for myself again but....untill a week ago I had no clue what my own number was. I can't remember it right now as well ^__^U
5)If someone would play a familar melody with his keypad, I'm sure tat there will be many people that have no clue which one is meant. Try playing a melody that is normaly played on e-guitar on flute and look who recognises it. Additionaly, FBI and CIA are american institutes, fat chance more than a handfull of them is able to recognise the melody and the bos' phone number being exposed. (we can discuss that again when the japanese secret police comes into the game as well  )
6)faking the munber: [sarcasm]sure, and nobody would find it suspicious that the dialing takes about three times the time (for dialing again and turning off the sound-which can take, depending on the model, very long) wile being near enough to hear the dialing sound[/sarcasm]
7)We don't know how cautious the boss really is. For example: Scar Akai could be Bourbon (or the boss himself) and Vermouth wanted to get rid of him and told Git that the boss said that they had green light (why Vermouth didn't fear to be killed is another topic)
Or they really changed the number just recently, who knows.
8)Perhaps he wants to tell them that he is a black winged Angel-> Bringer of death *has recently read +Anima* *shrug*

[Black Demon]

1)I can only speak for myself, but... How many people knew how to turn that off in the time that chapter with Vermouth was released and was it even possible at that time (technology changes fast)
2) I'm sure that the memers were told not to contact the boss when surounded by agents. Even when someone was following them, they would have a hard time hearing the melody from some metres away and perhaps some talking people between them or cars driving nearby. Vermouth thought that Conan was unconcious and Kir had no clue she was bugged and she was in a place you would easily notice someone aproaching.
3)Again, she had no clue Conan was listening (and perhaps thought that he wouldn't recognise it anyway, considereing Shinichi's "musical talent") and perhaps she didn't know how to turn off the key-pad tone (perhaps new mobile?)
4)regarding remembering phone numbers: I may be speaking only for myself again but....untill a week ago I had no clue what my own number was. I can't remember it right now as well ^__^U
5)If someone would play a familar melody with his keypad, I'm sure tat there will be many people that have no clue which one is meant. Try playing a melody that is normaly played on e-guitar on flute and look who recognises it. Additionaly, FBI and CIA are american institutes, fat chance more than a handfull of them is able to recognise the melody and the bos' phone number being exposed. (we can discuss that again when the japanese secret police comes into the game as well  Wink )
6)faking the munber: [sarcasm]sure, and nobody would find it suspicious that the dialing takes about three times the time (for dialing again and turning off the sound-which can take, depending on the model, very long) wile being near enough to hear the dialing sound[/sarcasm]
7)We don't know how cautious the boss really is. For example: Scar Akai could be Bourbon (or the boss himself) and Vermouth wanted to get rid of him and told Git that the boss said that they had green light (why Vermouth didn't fear to be killed is another topic)
Or they really changed the number just recently, who knows.
8)Perhaps he wants to tell them that he is a black winged Angel-> Bringer of death *has recently read +Anima* *shrug*

1. It's really hard to tell about the timeline in DC. DC started in 1994. In the DC universe, only some months have past. However, their cellphones look really modern just like today's phones, so I'm sure there is a key-pad turn-off option (which is actually common even among the 90's phones) . Not to mention that technology in Japan is very advanced, even for the 90's. And I don't believe someone like Vermouth doesn't know how it works, it's pretty easy.

2. You never know if you're being bugged or over-watched by someone. When Vermouth text-messaged, she didn't know that Agasa was listening, which is very dangerous for the BO. If it wasn't a manga, no criminal would even take that risk.

3. Conan is tone-deaf but he can still remember the notes. And Vermouth's message was just "Yes, boss...", if she really didn't know how to turn off the key-pad (which I find unlikely), she could just ignore it and follow the order without replying, it's much safer that way.

4. Like I said in my first post, Vermouth has been in the Org. for at least 20 years, it's hard not to remember it (unless there have been many changes). She also is the closest to the Boss', so she probably has to contact him/her the most among all BO members.

5. "Not many people would recognize it" doesn't mean "nobody would recognize it". The BO members have done so many killings just to protect themselves. It is not likely that they would spoil such important clue to outsiders, even though the possibility of anyone recognizing the song is low. Further more, if they were secretly bugged or over-watched, then the FBI/CIA could just record the song and use it as their own advantage, that way they don't even have to care about its name.

6. It's just a theory. It's hard to tell if they already have their key-pad tone on while not phoning the Boss or not. Besides, they could have thousands of other ways to fake the boss' number (my theory is just an example).

7. Even if the Boss' not that cautious, then at least the other members should know how dangerous it is when they turn on their key-pad.

[Stopwatch]

Can I just point out something about number 3. Conan isn't actually tone deaf, he can recognise notes better than Ran and can even tell if a piano has a note slightly out of tune. He just isn't good at singing, he isn't tone deaf because of that...

[Shuusgirl]

Can I just point out something about number 3. Conan isn't actually tone deaf, he can recognise notes better than Ran and can even tell if a piano has a note slightly out of tune. He just isn't good at singing, he isn't tone deaf because of that...

I'm pretty sure the only person canonically who said he was tone deaf was Sonoko, and she's not really reliable.
Also, why is it so hard to believe that Vermouth had the sound on when Conan's asleep?  The truth is, she seemed to have underestimated him during that whole case.  She was shocked at the recorder, and had to resort to shooting herself to keep her awake.  It seems pretty last resort to me.  So something as small as having your phone's sound on when the only threat is a knocked out teenager doesn't seem so reckless.
As for Kir, first off she probably wouldn't mind if someone was digging around in the B.O's business.  Second, who's going to pay attention to some lady texting?  Everyone does it, so no one pays much attention to it.  Also, if someone heard, they'd probably be all, "Hey, that's cool!" and go about their life.  The risk is incredibly low.

[Borealis]

Can I just point out something about number 3. Conan isn't actually tone deaf, he can recognise notes better than Ran and can even tell if a piano has a note slightly out of tune. He just isn't good at singing, he isn't tone deaf because of that...

I know, but does Vermouth too? Her only source regarding that is Shinichi's mum and I can imagine her saying things like "I tried to teach Shin-chan that one song but he couldn't even get the first tune out right, oh and by the way......."
Of course, I could be totally wrong but I doubt that Vermouth was thinking high of Shinichi's musical skills


@Black:
1) Please define "someone like Vermouth" (btw, are you male? I don't want to use clichés, but: women and tecnology...(this also counts for me))
2) If a BO member had a reason to think that they were being watched or bugged thaen they surely wouldn't contact anyone of the BO. but they can't stay out of contact with the BO forever. Kir had no reasen to think that she was being bugged, why should she? Vermouth might have acted a bit stupid but she surely thought that Conan would want to do that alone (after all, he was shocked to see Ai)
3) Who said it was only that, perhaps she also wrote some details that we simply didn't get to read. Also, she thought that Conan was knocked out
4) You still can't say for sure she remembers that number. Perhaps she has problems with numbers?
5) What I meant is that the number would go towards zero. Also, are FBI and CIA able to actually DO anything with the number? Do they have acces to the adresses of people they only have the phone number of when the adres is in Japan?
6) well, you said that they once dial the number of the boss and once let them hear some random number. therefore the sound has to be turned on and off at least one during a conversation.
7) we only saw two people do that and for the reasons, see number 2. Additionaly, they are the ones that want the BO to goe down

[BO Member: Pina Colada]

we're not reckless. we plan on distracting you by using the real sound to make you think it's a coverup for the real one.