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"The perfect crime, is the crime that wasn't written at all, then no one can solve it." Is what Gosho probably thinks  ;D

I think that why Gin went away so calm after not killing Akai is because scar akai is bourbon (which is the reason that Kir is still alive, unless as was said before, Gin doesn't want to mess up his car and we will just see in more 50-100 files the true conclusion of the case. But hopefully Gosho just prepared us with this case to a bigger arc with the B.O.)

But still there is one thing that I can't get right with Okiya is Akai and Scar Akai is Bourbon. The theory is again that they wear masks, but the thing is, that Gosho already used this trick.

Though I think that maybe Bourbon hates Akai so much, that maybe he had a plastic surgery to have his face to look like Akai in order to understand him better (which makes Bourbon an insane person, but we didn't have an insane person yet in the B.O. so...). But that's just an assumption which is probably false anyway...
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Yes, it would be an explanation and I already thought of it. But my point is (that's why I mentioned it anyway) that it's still too little information we get. At least for this occasion. This series has been published since more than 15½ years, if there's such an anniversary (700(!) chapters), I expect more than this. The way I see it, this case is one as you would expect it from File 670 or 680 like those cases where Okiya appeared and left us with a question mark. But this is something really special and was said to be such, so someone or something has to take action. It doesn't have to be a huge shootout, for all I care it can go calmer. Even so, what Gosho dished up is too calm and especially too slow. No new insights, no revealing. In particular the latter is actually what I had expected of it.

Perhaps anyone can understand what I'm trying to say? ;)
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its not over yet!
heck its far from over 700-704 is more of a introduction in my point of view
gosho said rapid development he said milestone case and he even gave a announcement
this is something big we just have to be patient 704 is just the beginning
honestly if 700-704 was the whole thing? im sure thousands of fans would storm his house by tommorow
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Introuble wrote:honestly if 700-704 was the whole thing? im sure thousands of fans would storm his house by tommorow
Yup, it was just in case it was the whole thing indeed. ;) Actually I can't imagine anything else than these files being an introduction, but I don't like that at the end of File 704 they say there'll be a "new series" next week. At least if I were them, I wouldn't announce the next file as a "new series" if this plot was gonna be continued. You know what I mean? :)
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I hope it's gonna be continued :(

Remember the arc when Kier woke up? It took several files just for "introduction". The climax of Vermouth-Araide also.
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noo.. it actually reminds me more of the vol 29 Bus incident, cause he also raised up all the expectations and once again left us clueless. I think this arc's gonna be huge and we'll have to wait for a few more volumes.........

but it seems to get more and more confusing about the identity of this Scar Akai. If he is bourbon, why did he bother to save Conan? why does he risk being shot by Chianti?  If he is Akai and he smirks at Chianti, why is he allowing himself to be so "public"?
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Okiya Subaru wrote: Now that there was talk of a "rapid development", I became curious and was convinced Gosho would keep his word. But this arc was plain nothing! The bomb case was redundant (there would have been other and better possibilities to bring the important characters together) and nothing has developed rapidly.
Conan just used sleeping Kogoro in front of an observant and intelligent Org. agent Gin himself likens to Sherlock Holmes. Something will come of that, even if it takes until file 800 (for Vermouth to hit the reset button by killing Bourbon just before he sends his full report and recommended target list to the Boss... heh... Or for Bourbon to reveal he's with interpol and that the Org. doesn't really exist anymore, it really only consists of a bunch of infiltrators from various countries' intelligence/law enforcement agencies that don't share enough information to see the truth. :P )
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But it appears that it'll take forever until we'll know who Okiya, fake Akai and Bourbon are. That's exactly what I expected: That these questions would be answered in THIS arc! And I'm pretty sure I haven't been the only person who thought so... Therefore it's a bitter disappointment.
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Conan324 wrote:who knows? maybe he'll reveal stuff in the next few files.
Yeah, maybe, what bothers me is that there's talk of a "new series". If this were gonna be continued, I would rather announce something like "The big battle goes on!" or "It's getting more and more dangerous!" or whatever... Anything to let the readers know that they'll get to read even more of BO stuff they love. I think that would be far better than keeping your readers in suspense.

On the other hand, I could imagine that this is exactly what Gosho wants... Some readers shall be like "What? That's the whole thing? That can't be, there must be more!" and some readers shall say "I don't know what you mean, it's awesome!", so we're discussing again and the rest is constructing new theories.

I hate Gosho for that... ;D Can't wait for the weekend, when I'll be either curious or disappointed...
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Hmmm... I saw the raw, and by the ending and Conan's expression... argh... it's like the author is leading back to the theory of Subaru being Bourbon.... or not XD LOL


though I really hope the next case will be related to another clash.... because surely Gin can't just let Kir go and wait until Conan finishes his cases, not to mention Sherry Hunting part....

Hope it will be another Sherry Hunting case XD
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Conan324 wrote: Okiya was such a geek when he said the "50/50 thing"
It probably had a deeper meaning that Jodie suppose to understand and finally after 30 files she may understand it as a cryptic message.
but seriously, Okiya was too cryptic in this file. It was like he was begging "SUSPECT ME PLEASE! I AM NOT JUST A REGULAR VERY SMART CHARACTER, I AM MUCH MORE IMPORTANT."
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Kor wrote:
Conan324 wrote: Okiya was such a geek when he said the "50/50 thing"
It probably had a deeper meaning that Jodie suppose to understand and finally after 30 files she may understand it as a cryptic message.
but seriously, Okiya was too cryptic in this file. It was like he was begging "SUSPECT ME PLEASE! I AM NOT JUST A REGULAR VERY SMART CHARACTER, I AM MUCH MORE IMPORTANT."

lol. He's always been very cryptic though (his reasons for liking the colour black, the bitter coffee thing.....) so I think he's been practically begging to be recognised as an important character for a long time. :P

I think 704 sounds like a good development although I do wish there had been more answers. But then again, I think it would be much too sudden if it had been revealed, just like that, who scar-Akai and Okiya really are. I like it better this way, we can have a big showdown at the end of a long arc like the Vermouth-Araide revelation. :D

Even though the next file will be 'a new case', I doubt this development would be left hanging. Now Conan knows there is a scar-Akai hanging around, he might try to check on Kir (through Jodie) if she's still all right and maybe learn a little bit more about the BO/Bourbon's operations. Also, he will wonder who sent the text message to Kogoro and why...
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I just saw the RAW, too.

I must say Jodie is acting... stupidly again: she runs after that scar-faced Akai calling "Shuu, Shuu" without a shred of doubt!
While Camel doubts, Jodie seems to believe that's the real Akai  0_0
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^ O.O .....  Yeah, I'm not surprised Jodie would run to "Akai" screaming out "Dame yo Shuu!! Soto ni te nai de!!"

I actually find this chapter pretty interesting due to "Akai's" sneer and the ending part. Plus, the "motorcycle" blocking part, which just screams something is going on within the BO. Hmmmm...  *rubs chin* *coughs Vermouth*   
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Kite wrote: About that last one (okay, I still believe Okiya is Akai, so people who don't support that theory, bear with me k?): maybe Okiya suspected Scar Akai to be Bourbon, but discovered in some way it's not him. Akai (= Okiya) has known Bourbon from before, and if they knew each other very well he would be able to tell whether or not Scar Akai is Bourbon.
Sorry to reply to a million-years-old comment (~3 days old), but I actually thought that Okiya was trying to see if the person was Vermouth, not Bourbon. When someone is wandering about in disguise, I would suspect her first. Okiya found himself surprised otherwise, hence his comment about the mixup.  

Due to Gin using difficult grammatical constructions which are confusing to the poor translators, I am not sure what Gin meant by the Sherlock Holmes quote and thus am waiting to stand corrected, but it sure sounded like Gin said that the person he saw was that detective-like person who always acts on his own: aka scar Akai = Bourbon. Darn it Gin, less talking in riddles more stating things unambiguously please! I'll give it another chapter or two to be safe, but since Gin has lowered his gun, I think this is a passive confirmation on his part that he thinks scar-Akai isn't the real deal. In any case, I doubt Gin could see inside the store well enough to see Okiya and Jodie since they weren't in Chianti's line of sight either.

Too bad I was wrong about scar-Akai not using his own phone. It would be an interesting trap if scar-Akai planned on having the FBI or Mouri family take the phone. While both the real Akai and Bourbon would use a cloth to keep their fingerprints off the phone, scar-Akai handed it back in his right hand. Coupled with the gun from the bank robbery case, I think it is clear that scar Akai prefers his right hand.

I wonder what Vermouth was trying to imply about the boss with her modified expression. According to Miyano-sama:
(NOTICE: 石橋を叩いて渡る literaly means: "Strike the stone bridge, and then cross it"
This expression is something like:
Think well before you decide ** make assurance double sure ** Better safe than sorry
Vermouth changed the expression a little bit into "If you beat the stone bridge too much, it would break"
The way Vermouth phrased it, it seems she is implying boss is ... overly cautious to the point of ridiculous? I'll hold back my judgments until a finalized translation comes out. Although I can't read it, it looks like the Chinese release made a comment about the phrasing as well. If anyone fluent in Chinese wants to comment on this further they can see the relevant page in the spoiler box.
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I wonder where the next chapter will take us? Assuming scar Akai is Bourbon, he has one person left to appear before as scar Akai: James Black. (I'm ignoring all the other nameless FBI members) There aren't any more leads to follow where dressing up as Akai will be useful unless he wants to fish randomly. After that, Bourbon has two remaining leads to investigate. One is questioning the involved Syndicate members: Kir and maybe also Gin if the footage of Akai being shot wasn't recorded. The other lead Bourbon has is the police investigation. If Bourbon were to look into it for inconsistencies, (which there are several. See the long Akai thread.) he would come to the cell phone. Even though Jodie claimed it was her phone, therefore keeping Conan removed from the situation, Conan's fingerprints will be on the phone and thus recorded by the police. If Vermouth can steal police records, it is possible Bourbon might as well.
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