Akai Shuichi is Not Bourbon. Nor is Okiya. [ short Theory. ]

[Natsumi]

I was rereading my older threads from this forum, and a few others and i came up with this. I find it plausible.

Point One.
Bourbon is in the black organization. Why did he save Jodie from the bank jacking case? The less FBIs around tracking them down, the easier their job is.

Point Two. ( Taken from my older thread )
Gin and Vodka were talking about how they "thought" akai was dead. However, they didn`t take the supposingly "fake" akai as bourbon. If he really was bourbon, they wouldn`t be worred about it. However Gin looked extremely startled that akai appeared, and immediantly ordered to talk to Kir.
unless bourbon does things on his own, we can asume from Gin`s reaction that he is not Bourbon.
I`m sure bourbon doesn`t do things on his own, considering that not much BO members get to do what they want WITHOUT telling Gin, and he`ll get beaten by Gin for scaring them all like that.

Point Three.
Conan, would never, never in the universe, let a black organization member live in his house. This endangers everyone. He wouldn`t even tell ran, for the one percent chance that she could let it out. Puting Bourbon in his own house would be endangering everyone. Letting him be with the detective boys, and haibara, is MORE than dangerous.
The black organization doesn`t even know about ran, and conan wouldn`t even tell him his secret.
For one, Gosho is humiliating his main character if Okiya was bourbon.
As well as, if Okiya was bourbon, he has more than one chance to kill.
Why didn`t he kill? Because he`s not bourbon.

Looking forward to hearing your replies.

[shinichi1977]

I was rereading my older threads from this forum, and a few others and i came up with this. I find it plausible.

Point One.
Bourbon is in the black organization. Why did he save Jodie from the bank jacking case? The less FBIs around tracking them down, the easier their job is.

Point Two. ( Taken from my older thread )
Gin and Vodka were talking about how they "thought" akai was dead. However, they didn`t take the supposingly "fake" akai as bourbon. If he really was bourbon, they wouldn`t be worred about it. However Gin looked extremely startled that akai appeared, and immediantly ordered to talk to Kir.
unless bourbon does things on his own, we can asume from Gin`s reaction that he is not Bourbon.
I`m sure bourbon doesn`t do things on his own, considering that not much BO members get to do what they want WITHOUT telling Gin, and he`ll get beaten by Gin for scaring them all like that.

Point Three.
Conan, would never, never in the universe, let a black organization member live in his house. This endangers everyone. He wouldn`t even tell ran, for the one percent chance that she could let it out. Puting Bourbon in his own house would be endangering everyone. Letting him be with the detective boys, and haibara, is MORE than dangerous.
The black organization doesn`t even know about ran, and conan wouldn`t even tell him his secret.
For one, Gosho is humiliating his main character if Okiya was bourbon.
As well as, if Okiya was bourbon, he has more than one chance to kill.
Why didn`t he kill? Because he`s not bourbon.

Looking forward to hearing your replies.

Greek philosophers and early doctors, for example Platonus (use the latinized name for internationality) believed there was no blood stream since if we cut ourselves we should bleed out. They did not knew about how blood transforms after oxidation. This assumption is somewhat similar, mostly in the way of total disregard of facts over assumptions. Assumption is that Scar Akai is Bourbon and that he saved Jodie with a purpose. If that is the basis against it, it is easily refuted by the fact that she has influence on James Black who can return the sheep to herd of the feds, and her death ruins that plan, in case he is Bourbon.

The second wrong assumption is, that Bourbon can't act on his own despite the fact Gin confirms hiw assertive lone wolf style in file 702, and this thread was started after that.

The third half-wrong assumption is about Shinichi and members of the BO. He did not let Vermouth let close to Shiho but he did let her close to everyone else for obvious reasons without telling the police and yes, he even used her for trivial things, like imitating Takagi. It is absolutely wrong to think the organization does not know about the Mouri Detective Agency, on the contrary, they acquired every information after the Domon-case, it is an other subject, that Gin thinks they were only used as bait by the FBI.

And yes, only a selected few know who Conan is. Unfortunately we can assume that Bourbon suspects him since he cracked the Mouri-phenomenon, an open challenge, possibly. Even if Okiya is Akai, he asked Ran not to tell on Shinichi because the FBI would remove every possible target out of harm's way, but if he thinks he is just a smart kid, nothing happens.

Last but not least, Okiya Subaru was featured in cases in which fire, red, and subtly the name of Akai Shuichi was featured, he has traits as Akai, is left handed too, is in the ideal position to protect Shiho, and that does not proves he is Akai, one still can't disregard it either

[Natsumi]

I was rereading my older threads from this forum, and a few others and i came up with this. I find it plausible.

Point One.
Bourbon is in the black organization. Why did he save Jodie from the bank jacking case? The less FBIs around tracking them down, the easier their job is.

Point Two. ( Taken from my older thread )
Gin and Vodka were talking about how they "thought" akai was dead. However, they didn`t take the supposingly "fake" akai as bourbon. If he really was bourbon, they wouldn`t be worred about it. However Gin looked extremely startled that akai appeared, and immediantly ordered to talk to Kir.
unless bourbon does things on his own, we can asume from Gin`s reaction that he is not Bourbon.
I`m sure bourbon doesn`t do things on his own, considering that not much BO members get to do what they want WITHOUT telling Gin, and he`ll get beaten by Gin for scaring them all like that.

Point Three.
Conan, would never, never in the universe, let a black organization member live in his house. This endangers everyone. He wouldn`t even tell ran, for the one percent chance that she could let it out. Puting Bourbon in his own house would be endangering everyone. Letting him be with the detective boys, and haibara, is MORE than dangerous.
The black organization doesn`t even know about ran, and conan wouldn`t even tell him his secret.
For one, Gosho is humiliating his main character if Okiya was bourbon.
As well as, if Okiya was bourbon, he has more than one chance to kill.
Why didn`t he kill? Because he`s not bourbon.

Looking forward to hearing your replies.

Greek philosophers and early doctors, for example Platonus (use the latinized name for internationality) believed there was no blood stream since if we cut ourselves we should bleed out. They did not knew about how blood transforms after oxidation. This assumption is somewhat similar, mostly in the way of total disregard of facts over assumptions. Assumption is that Scar Akai is Bourbon and that he saved Jodie with a purpose. If that is the basis against it, it is easily refuted by the fact that she has influence on James Black who can return the sheep to herd of the feds, and her death ruins that plan, in case he is Bourbon.

The second wrong assumption is, that Bourbon can't act on his own despite the fact Gin confirms hiw assertive lone wolf style in file 702, and this thread was started after that.

The third half-wrong assumption is about Shinichi and members of the BO. He did not let Vermouth let close to Shiho but he did let her close to everyone else for obvious reasons without telling the police and yes, he even used her for trivial things, like imitating Takagi. It is absolutely wrong to think the organization does not know about the Mouri Detective Agency, on the contrary, they acquired every information after the Domon-case, it is an other subject, that Gin thinks they were only used as bait by the FBI.

And yes, only a selected few know who Conan is. Unfortunately we can assume that Bourbon suspects him since he cracked the Mouri-phenomenon, an open challenge, possibly. Even if Okiya is Akai, he asked Ran not to tell on Shinichi because the FBI would remove every possible target out of harm's way, but if he thinks he is just a smart kid, nothing happens.

Last but not least, Okiya Subaru was featured in cases in which fire, red, and subtly the name of Akai Shuichi was featured, he has traits as Akai, is left handed too, is in the ideal position to protect Shiho, and that does not proves he is Akai, one still can't disregard it either

Yay someone to chat with. - clap clap -

Alright, first of all, you do not know what his plan is, or if he is bourbon, yet you`re asuming that " Bourbon saved Jodie for a purpose. "
If bourbon were to act on his own, he would at least inform some of the members, instead of fooling them all.
In my book, BO members don`t do whatever shiz they want. 

You`re comparing 2 characters that have nothing alike. 
Bourbon, to Vermouth who doesn`t seem very loyal to the BO, at least
not when it comes ti Shinichi &Shiho, &Ran.
I said, the organization doesn`t know about Ran in particular,
not the Detective Agency as a whole.
In all the manga panels, they had not seen Ran in that case.

Shinichi never let Vermouth close to Ran. Or any of his other friends.
If you`re talking about the Serial killer case in Ran`s memory,
then you`re highly mistaken because he didn`t know that he was Vermouth.

Bourbon might not suspect him,
however Conan must`ve suspected him. He wouldn`t pass of
someone living in his house as a "friendly holmes fan~!". No.

Yes, Okiya could be Akai in my book.
However, i didn`t mention anything about Okiya not being Akai. 

[Misztina]

I won_t quote, since obviously I am replying to the post above. 

People ignore this thread because there are 1000 threads about this, okay, not exactly 1000, but you get the idea. ^^

Anyways: Vermouth could do whatever she wanted and she is a BO member as well. Bourbon claimed to be a lonewolf might have gain some sort of freedom, like he gets the order "get Sherry at any cost" and so he does so. Folling other Bo members is not bad, one can never know whom to trust even in this organisation.

I cannot say more to the Ran-Detective Agency stuff, Kogoro was suspected by Gin after Kir!s case, it would be a miracloe if he would not investigate more about Kogoro, or I dare to go further, Bourbon might have had been ordered by Gin or the Boss to look around Kogoro, because he might have something to do with Sherry. Although Gin accepted Vermouth!s idea about KOgoro being the FBI!s bait, he was still suspicious.

Grammatically the title of this thread claims that Akai is not Okiya.

[Natsumi]

I won_t quote, since obviously I am replying to the post above. 

People ignore this thread because there are 1000 threads about this, okay, not exactly 1000, but you get the idea. ^^

Anyways: Vermouth could do whatever she wanted and she is a BO member as well. Bourbon claimed to be a lonewolf might have gain some sort of freedom, like he gets the order "get Sherry at any cost" and so he does so. Folling other Bo members is not bad, one can never know whom to trust even in this organisation.

I cannot say more to the Ran-Detective Agency stuff, Kogoro was suspected by Gin after Kir!s case, it would be a miracloe if he would not investigate more about Kogoro, or I dare to go further, Bourbon might have had been ordered by Gin or the Boss to look around Kogoro, because he might have something to do with Sherry. Although Gin accepted Vermouth!s idea about KOgoro being the FBI!s bait, he was still suspicious.

Grammatically the title of this thread claims that Akai is not Okiya.

Vermouth could do whatever things she wanted, however not one BO member fooled Gin, and created such a rukus.

I really have nothing to say,
other than,
Akai is not bourbon. Nor is Okiya.
Akai is not bourbon. Nor, is Okiya Bourbon.

[Korn]

And that is quite plausible my friend.. actually i was supporting the same theory, with some very small changes.

Okiya is not bourbon, and neither is he Akai or whatever

[Miyano-sama]

On the last file, Okiya encountered the men in black for the first time, and said the following:

Although the floor was occupied by a bomb, [They] don't feel like saying anything...

though in fact
I want to treat those who are holding their breath, while waiting impatiently in the middle of heat with a hot and bitter coffee

What he said implies that he knows who they are, and they might know him as well, but we don't know yet what kind of relationship do they have. Okiya can be Bourbon, and can be anybody else that happens to know about the organization...

[Akonyl]

I was rereading my older threads from this forum, and a few others and i came up with this. I find it plausible.

Point One.
Bourbon is in the black organization. Why did he save Jodie from the bank jacking case? The less FBIs around tracking them down, the easier their job is.

Point Two. ( Taken from my older thread )
Gin and Vodka were talking about how they "thought" akai was dead. However, they didn`t take the supposingly "fake" akai as bourbon. If he really was bourbon, they wouldn`t be worred about it. However Gin looked extremely startled that akai appeared, and immediantly ordered to talk to Kir.
unless bourbon does things on his own, we can asume from Gin`s reaction that he is not Bourbon.
I`m sure bourbon doesn`t do things on his own, considering that not much BO members get to do what they want WITHOUT telling Gin, and he`ll get beaten by Gin for scaring them all like that.

Point Three.
Conan, would never, never in the universe, let a black organization member live in his house. This endangers everyone. He wouldn`t even tell ran, for the one percent chance that she could let it out. Puting Bourbon in his own house would be endangering everyone. Letting him be with the detective boys, and haibara, is MORE than dangerous.
The black organization doesn`t even know about ran, and conan wouldn`t even tell him his secret.
For one, Gosho is humiliating his main character if Okiya was bourbon.
As well as, if Okiya was bourbon, he has more than one chance to kill.
Why didn`t he kill? Because he`s not bourbon.

Looking forward to hearing your replies.

about your points, at least where it concerns Scar Akai being bourbon.

Point One:
you're right, he is.

Point Two:
well, this point was arguable before now, but now that 703 is out it's proven completely false. Bourbon may be a member of the BO, but he does everything on his own, and Gin has no idea where he is, or what he's doing. So, if Scar Akai really is bourbon, Gin would have no way of knowing, and he'd just think that Akai was alive and thus try to kill him.

Point Three:
well this one's about Okiya, so it's irrelevant.

[Eve]

On the last file, Okiya encountered the men in black for the first time, and said the following:

Although the floor was occupied by a bomb, [They] don't feel like saying anything...

though in fact
I want to treat those who are holding their breath, while waiting impatiently in the middle of heat with a hot and bitter coffee

What he said implies that he knows who they are, and they might know him as well, but we don't know yet what kind of relationship do they have. Okiya can be Bourbon, and can be anybody else that happens to know about the organization...

I agree, from the look of it, we only know that Okiya knows the BO... that's all, he could be Akai, he could be Bourbon, or he could be just Okiya... I'm waiting for the author's answer

[Natsumi]

On the last file, Okiya encountered the men in black for the first time, and said the following:

Although the floor was occupied by a bomb, [They] don't feel like saying anything...

though in fact
I want to treat those who are holding their breath, while waiting impatiently in the middle of heat with a hot and bitter coffee

What he said implies that he knows who they are, and they might know him as well, but we don't know yet what kind of relationship do they have. Okiya can be Bourbon, and can be anybody else that happens to know about the organization...

Couldn`t have said it better.

However, what the point of this thread is,
that i don`t believe its likely. However, gosho can always do a plot twist. 

From how okiya acts, does, etc. i can`t help but believe that he`s a good guy.
He didn`t have to save Ayumi.
He didn`t have to live in Conan`s house.
He didn`t have to help solve the case.
But he did.
Whatever his intentions are, i can assume that he does have at least some consicence. ^^

[caribou]

Or some pure morbid and academic curiosity of what his targets are like before he kills them all!

(just kidding, but that WOULD make an interesting character!)

[Akonyl]

Vermouth did a lot of good stuff while she was futzing around as Araide (apparently), so he could just be a male copy of her and still be in the BO easily.

And yeah, Gosho could do a plot twist, it'd be weirder really if he didn't do one.

[Miyano-sama]

Couldn`t have said it better.

However, what the point of this thread is,
that i don`t believe its likely. However, gosho can always do a plot twist. 

From how okiya acts, does, etc. i can`t help but believe that he`s a good guy.
He didn`t have to save Ayumi.
He didn`t have to live in Conan`s house.
He didn`t have to help solve the case.
But he did.
Whatever his intentions are, i can assume that he does have at least some consicence. ^^

Appearance can always be deceiving...
Acting like a nice guy is the best way to hide your "evil" identity...

Anyway, I'm wondering if Okiya is going to give them some coffee on the next file...
Imagine Okiya approaching Gin's car and then knocks the door...
"Here's your coffee, Gin" - Said Okiya as he hands Gin the coffee
"Oh, thank you, that's thoughtful of you..."

[ginoro]

Couldn`t have said it better.

However, what the point of this thread is,
that i don`t believe its likely. However, gosho can always do a plot twist. 

From how okiya acts, does, etc. i can`t help but believe that he`s a good guy.
He didn`t have to save Ayumi.
He didn`t have to live in Conan`s house.
He didn`t have to help solve the case.
But he did.
Whatever his intentions are, i can assume that he does have at least some consicence. ^^

Appearance can always be deceiving...
Acting like a nice guy is the best way to hide your "evil" identity...

Anyway, I'm wondering if Okiya is going to give them some coffee on the next file...
Imagine Okiya approaching Gin's car and then knocks the door...
"Here's your coffee, Gin" - Said Okiya as he hands Gin the coffee
"Oh, thank you, that's thoughtful of you..."

OMG Miyano-sama you've really done it this time 
I'm gonna laugh sooo hard if that really happens xDDD
With Gosho's usual writing and drawing style, I really doubt that Okiya is Bourbon.
May be he'll turn out to be Shuu  Though I'd love to see Okiya as Bourbon