Childhood lovers

[chongjasmine]

In detective conan, it seems that most of the romantic pairing are childhood lovers. The people fall in love since childhood.
What do you think of childhood lovers?

[ranger]

The only good childhood love story is 5 centimeters per second.

[Jecka]

My parents are childhood lovers :V

So I don't dislike them, but it's overused in DC

[Mario2000]

Sorry for bumping an old thread, it's just it caught my attention as childhood friend romance stories are my absolute favorites! In fact, they are the only romances that really touch me most profoundly on the emotional level. Some people are annoyed by them, but I personally am grateful to Gosho for putting many of them in DC. I even like Chiba/Naeko, unlike most fans. Being nostalgic of my own childhood, even though I was never in love as a child, I think childhood bonds that last throughout the whole life are one of the cutest and adorable things ever.

[AICHAN]

Thanks to Gosho now everytime I read a story about childhood lovers I get sick...
I personally think Gosho use that kind of romance too much,so that I'm not even touched by them now.It's too unrealistic for me,sorry.

[Mario2000]

Thanks to Gosho now everytime I read a story about childhood lovers I get sick...
I personally think Gosho use that kind of romance too much,so that I'm not even touched by them now.It's too unrealistic for me,sorry.

I understand about this maybe being overused in DC, but what's so bad about being unrealistic? Reality isn't perfect, so if they put in fiction some good things that aren't common in real life, it's good imo.

By the way, what's your favorite and less favorite childhood friend pairing in DC? My favorite is Shinichi x Ran, even though maybe it sounds banal, and less favorite is Heiji x Kazuha (just don't like tsundere attitude: they show any positive emotion towards each other only when in mortal danger). Same goes for Eri x Kogoro, but here at least there are reasons for arguing and being tsundere, like Kogoro being too much of a womanizer, at least a passive one.

[k11chi]

I think Sato and Takagi are the best lovers in DC so far. I'm actually waiting to see them get married... It was kinda sad to see the part where Takagi shows the ring to Sato and they're at Dates grave and Satos past was nice too... That was my first volume of DC I ever bought I think (Takagi and Conan in the elevator).

But I did really like the subtle stuff going on with Heiji and Kazuha in the Private Eye of the Distant sea... I honestly rewatched that movie 2 times after I saw it. Maybe Sera has something to offer in the future?

[Shiromi]

Ugh, the childhood lovers thing is just unrealistic and way too idealized for me. Most people have around 3-6 boyfriends/girlfriends/lovers/spouses in their lifetime. (Source) Most people don't figure out how to date someone or how to share their life with someone else on their first try. It's something that we have to learn.

Also, there's the Westermarck Effect. If they meet and spend any significant amount of time together before they are approximately 6 years old, the likelihood of them getting together as sexual partners later on goes way, way down. So, people you went to preschool with likely will never be your lover, and neither will your siblings, if you were raised together.

Friends becoming lovers - sure, that happens all the time. But that there is only the one magic relationship that I am supernaturally connected to that I have to find in order to be happy? That's a fairy tale. It's a fairy tale that causes a lot of people problems too, and it shouldn't be propped up as an ideal. Because most people have a handful of partners, they end up thinking that there is something wrong with them for not finding THE ONE. Also, people come into relationships with unrealistic expectations. Since they're in love with a person, that person must be THE ONE. Since they are with THE ONE, their lives should magically get better. THE ONE person they are with should magically conform to their ideals and be their perfect mate because THE ONE is the person that God/Nature/The Universe provided for them to be with. It makes the relationship so self-centered that caring for and being cared for in return is just forgotten in a complex web of expectations and delusions.

I've watched this stupid fairy tale ruin a lot of my friends' relationships in college. This fairy tale convinced one of my friends that because she had a crush on a guy, that he must be THE ONE, and she ended up stalking him for a few months, and couldn't be talked down because everything she'd ever read about romance had told her: Finding THE ONE is your ultimate goal in life. Find THE ONE and you will be happy. Find THE ONE and they will be everything you ever wanted in a partner because they are the perfect person God put on the earth just for you.

There are people who only have one lover their entire life and are happy with it. They are pretty few in number. We shouldn't shame the vast majority of people for whom this would never work.

[kkslider5552000]

I don't mind it unless it's used as a crutch to develop a real (or at least tolerable for shonen) relationship.

[Mario2000]

Ugh, the childhood lovers thing is just unrealistic and way too idealized for me. Most people have around 3-6 boyfriends/girlfriends/lovers/spouses in their lifetime. (Source) Most people don't figure out how to date someone or how to share their life with someone else on their first try. It's something that we have to learn.

Also, there's the Westermarck Effect. If they meet and spend any significant amount of time together before they are approximately 6 years old, the likelihood of them getting together as sexual partners later on goes way, way down. So, people you went to preschool with likely will never be your lover, and neither will your siblings, if you were raised together.

Friends becoming lovers - sure, that happens all the time. But that there is only the one magic relationship that I am supernaturally connected to that I have to find in order to be happy? That's a fairy tale. It's a fairy tale that causes a lot of people problems too, and it shouldn't be propped up as an ideal. Because most people have a handful of partners, they end up thinking that there is something wrong with them for not finding THE ONE. Also, people come into relationships with unrealistic expectations. Since they're in love with a person, that person must be THE ONE. Since they are with THE ONE, their lives should magically get better. THE ONE person they are with should magically conform to their ideals and be their perfect mate because THE ONE is the person that God/Nature/The Universe provided for them to be with. It makes the relationship so self-centered that caring for and being cared for in return is just forgotten in a complex web of expectations and delusions.

I've watched this stupid fairy tale ruin a lot of my friends' relationships in college. This fairy tale convinced one of my friends that because she had a crush on a guy, that he must be THE ONE, and she ended up stalking him for a few months, and couldn't be talked down because everything she'd ever read about romance had told her: Finding THE ONE is your ultimate goal in life. Find THE ONE and you will be happy. Find THE ONE and they will be everything you ever wanted in a partner because they are the perfect person God put on the earth just for you.

There are people who only have one lover their entire life and are happy with it. They are pretty few in number. We shouldn't shame the vast majority of people for whom this would never work.

I understand the logic that such relationships are not for everyone, but I disagree that this isn't an ideal, at least for me. Changing partners may be common in real life, but this usually hurts and leads to broken hearts for one or the other person. I am not saying anything can be done about it, but I also often read about "forever faithful to first love" relationships being labeled as "unhealthy" and "immature", and that's what I completely disagree with. Majority or minority, it should be respected I think.

[Jd-]

The actual problem with childhood lovers is that it's an easy trope to get caught up in for writers. It's so easy to use as a way of giving a bonding point for two characters and giving a reason for them to have familiarity and justify their relationship. In the case of Conan's primary cast, there are more childhood loves than there are any other type of couple. While that's fine here and there, it does make it hard to give the same consideration to later secondary couples (Chiba's comes to mind) when they are seen as just a second-tier version of other, more integral couples.

[Shiromi]

I understand the logic that such relationships are not for everyone, but I disagree that this isn't an ideal, at least for me. Changing partners may be common in real life, but this usually hurts and leads to broken hearts for one or the other person. I am not saying anything can be done about it, but I also often read about "forever faithful to first love" relationships being labeled as "unhealthy" and "immature", and that's what I completely disagree with. Majority or minority, it should be respected I think.

I'm actually married to the first person I seriously dated, and I've had no other partners. I'm not at all suggesting that such relationships are unhealthy or immature - just rare. They should be considered one of the many possible ways for healthy relationships to occur. We shouldn't hold up only one type of relationship-development as a standard. As long as the relationship is mutual and happy, it shouldn't matter if it's someone's first lover or their 10th.

The actual problem with childhood lovers is that it's an easy trope to get caught up in for writers. It's so easy to use as a way of giving a bonding point for two characters and giving a reason for them to have familiarity and justify their relationship. In the case of Conan's primary cast, there are more childhood loves than there are any other type of couple. While that's fine here and there, it does make it hard to give the same consideration to later secondary couples (Chiba's comes to mind) when they are seen as just a second-tier version of other, more integral couples.

Yeah, that's probably what bothers me most about writers using this trope. It's just lazy. Also, anyone else find the way that chick stalks Chiba really, really creepy? I know it's supposed to be cute, but she strikes me as the sort who goes through his trash and steals his toothbrush to make believe he lives with her or something. To still be obsessed with some guy you knew briefly when you were small, enough to join his profession so you can stalk him at work... that's just... yetch.

Fun story - I tutor a lot of exchange students, and because of my university's diplomatic ties to Japan, we get a ton of Japanese exchange students. I was hanging out with them, and they asked about my wedding ring. They were floored that I got married while still in college, and when they found out we grew up in the same school system and same hometown, they were sure that we were childhood sweethearts. They just kind rolled with that idea even after I explained we weren't in any of the same classes, not in the same social circles, and barely knew of each others' existence until highschool. Apparently this fairy tale is really popular in Japan, so they just modified my story to fit that fantasy.

[kkuuddoo]

yes, the most common love story is childhood friends , becoming lovers.

but there is also the other part , leading sato & takagi
, and also Akai & akemi
and if I was right, sonoko and makoto
I am sure there is one more , maybe, and maybe not !! ..... hehe ^o^

I kinda like it, since it does not happen much in my culture, I was always in girls school and was never really around boys but my close family
so, I do like it in this series, but I do actually get bored of it since there is A LOT of them .

I find some couples boring, like chiba and shiratori,

[kirite]

The only childhood lover story I like is this one! One where his first love is a cartoon character and he marries the girl who inspired the cartoon character 18 years later (seriously this is real).

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interes ... zaki-niece

I think childhood love story is so very lazy and creepy as hell if not done right (Shiratori I'm looking at you) but important in a way.

1. I mean to a kid reading your story it's hard to say "oh you'll meet tones of other girls/guys later in life" when you're caught up in feels. It's like saying "oh you'll get over your little dreams". It just pisses people off when you say that lol.

2. It establishes a "childhood dream" or "destiny". Like in Pixar's UP. It's more of establishing an innocent and child like impossible dream together- which will then be used as goal for the story. Though in DC it's more like "Omg I'm going to grow up to be the best detective ever, oh and marry you because you're apart of that dream yup."

I feel in Gosho's case he's just using it to establish character personalities (my childhood dream is to be a police officer because X is such a good person when he/she was a kid) and of course pair people up. Goddammit.

The only good childhood love story is 5 centimeters per second.

I actually can't stand that love story D;

[Jecka]

The only childhood lover story I like is this one! One where his first love is a cartoon character and he marries the girl who inspired the cartoon character 18 years later (seriously this is real).

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interes ... zaki-niece

!! So that's why Totoro was in TS3? :O

The only good childhood love story is 5 centimeters per second.

I actually can't stand that love story D;

I found that movie kinda boring. :x I didn't like it.