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Posted: **May 11th, 2008, 8:08 am**

i am writing this topic and it is so clear what is it abut .it is abut our writer Gosho Aoyama (evil)

i am saying that he is a coward cuz today i do some research abut what manga did he write before detective conan and i was shockd that he didnt put any ending to any of his work and he just stoped writing and here they are :

Yaiba (1988-1993) 24 Volumes. (he stoped writing it and he start with (Magic Kaito)

Magic Kaito from 1988- to now!!! (4 volumes) and he stoped writing it and he start with (detective conan)
DETECTIVE CONAN FROM (1994- to now) 61 volumes and we dont know if he will do the same with it

i say all of this cuz i lost the hope that this writer is going to put ending to one of my favorite anime and manga

cuz all of theas Years he did not show us only Little thing from the story and all what he do was showing us is cases and 80% of them dont Contain a thing from the story

and only 20% is what we get so what it is meaning of this ?
the meaning is the our manga artist is just coward who got lucky with the idea of (detective conan) and he want to make it long as son as possible so he can be rich

i loved him and his work for 7 years !!!! i respict him and i allways say that he is one of the best manga artist every T_T but in reality he is not T_T T_T

are there who agree with what i say ?

Posted: **May 11th, 2008, 8:55 am**

"Coward" is a bit too strong of a word, to be honest with you.

detective eye wrote: cuz all of theas Years he did not show us only Little thing from the story and all what he do was showing us is cases and 80% of them dont Contain a thing from the story
and only 20% is what we get so what it is meaning of this ?

Let me ask you this question: What got you into Conan? Was it honestly the plot that got you hooked? I'm going to say, "I doubt it," because after 10 episodes, the plot starts to become few and far between. I realize what you're saying, but just think about what you're actually trying to say here: You're afraid that your favorite series won't have an ending. Of course it will. His other series, really, just weren't that successful during their original runs. If they had been, he would have continued with them. Kid still lives on today, and his cases are some of the most widely regarded in all of Conan. Yaiba... Well, honestly, I've never once heard anyone complain about Yaiba not having an ending. Let's just say that, I guess.

Again, though: If these series' had been even remotely critically received as Conan is, he would have continued or ended them properly.

detective eye wrote: i loved him and his work for 7 years !!!! i respict him and i allways say that he is one of the best manga artist every T_T but in reality he is not T_T T_T

You sound like someone who has been scorned by a psychic after learning they're all (read: every single one) frauds. He is one of the greatest manga artists of all time, if only because he isn't doing your general take on the whole process. The Conan story is absolutely fascinating, yes, but if he had started only doing cases with true overarching plot behind them, it wouldn't have lasted ten volumes (more like three). What's great about the "story"-relevant pieces of Conan is that they only come along once in a while, and they're usually jaw dropping. The truth is, Conan is a lot like other detective series. Some will have plot-advancing episodes, while others will be your run-of-the-mill cases. To say that you just simply cannot enjoy this is to say that you do not like mysteries, really.

detective eye wrote: the meaning is the our manga artist is just coward who got lucky with the idea of (detective conan) and he want to make it long as son as possible so he can be rich

I wouldn't worry about Gosho's financial situation. He's been greatly wealthy for many, many years now. The reason he's continuing the series is because... well, the man has a story to tell, and he's going to tell it at whatever pace he likes. Serialized mysteries and other related genres simply don't operate on over-arching plots--it just isn't how it's designed.

Conan is a medium by which he tells said story, and really, that's all we can ask for.

Posted: **May 11th, 2008, 11:43 am**

Jd- wrote: "Coward" is a bit too strong of a word, to be honest with you.

detective eye wrote: cuz all of theas Years he did not show us only Little thing from the story and all what he do was showing us is cases and 80% of them dont Contain a thing from the story
and only 20% is what we get so what it is meaning of this ?
Let me ask you this question: What got you into Conan? Was it honestly the plot that got you hooked? I'm going to say, "I doubt it," because after 10 episodes, the plot starts to become few and far between. I realize what you're saying, but just think about what you're actually trying to say here: You're afraid that your favorite series won't have an ending. Of course it will. His other series, really, just weren't that successful during their original runs. If they had been, he would have continued with them. Kid still lives on today, and his cases are some of the most widely regarded in all of Conan. Yaiba... Well, honestly, I've never once heard anyone complain about Yaiba not having an ending. Let's just say that, I guess.

Again, though: If these series' had been even remotely critically received as Conan is, he would have continued or ended them properly.

detective eye wrote: i loved him and his work for 7 years !!!! i respict him and i allways say that he is one of the best manga artist every T_T but in reality he is not T_T T_T
You sound like someone who has been scorned by a psychic after learning they're all (read: every single one) frauds. He is one of the greatest manga artists of all time, if only because he isn't doing your general take on the whole process. The Conan story is absolutely fascinating, yes, but if he had started only doing cases with true overarching plot behind them, it wouldn't have lasted ten volumes (more like three). What's great about the "story"-relevant pieces of Conan is that they only come along once in a while, and they're usually jaw dropping. The truth is, Conan is a lot like other detective series. Some will have plot-advancing episodes, while others will be your run-of-the-mill cases. To say that you just simply cannot enjoy this is to say that you do not like mysteries, really.

detective eye wrote: the meaning is the our manga artist is just coward who got lucky with the idea of (detective conan) and he want to make it long as son as possible so he can be rich
I wouldn't worry about Gosho's financial situation. He's been greatly wealthy for many, many years now. The reason he's continuing the series is because... well, the man has a story to tell, and he's going to tell it at whatever pace he likes. Serialized mysteries and other related genres simply don't operate on over-arching plots--it just isn't how it's designed.

Conan is a medium by which he tells said story, and really, that's all we can ask for.

Amen.

Since here we all like Conan we shouldn't be complaining, like Jd- said we all know what's Conan and we love it because the main plot, the minor plots, the misteries, the quizes... all! And that's why I also think that Gosho Aoyama is one of the greatest mangakas ever: he had a large audience for a really catching manga and anime for so many years... There isn't more to be said.

Posted: **May 11th, 2008, 5:48 pm**

I get what u are saying that there is too much mystery and not enough plot, but then again, this is a mystery anime. Mysteries rarely do have a main plot, since it is supposed to be focused on the mystery on hand. I would completely agree with you on action anime like Naruto and Bleach(the filler arcs drag the original anime sooo much, with Naruto's 85 useless episodes leading to Shippuuden like a year later), but DC is made to drag the plot out, so that there are more of the mystery part. It sounds like with you hating Aoyama for dragging the plot, you would also hate Doyle for the fact that the Sherlock Holmes had no main story behind it, but a bunch of mysteries in it.

By the way, don't think we hate you with all the flaming. We still love you for your love of Conan, like the rest of the DCTP forum

Posted: **May 11th, 2008, 7:51 pm**

I'm pretty sure Yaiba had an ending. It wasn't one of those endings where everyone gets married or anything like that, but the end of volume 24 (from what I saw on a Chinese scan with Yaiba and Sayaka grown up as teens and whatnot) seemed concrete enough.

For Magic Kaito...Gosho's relationship with that series was the way Rumiko Takahashi was with One Pound Gospel(which ended last year): it's more of a side series that he adds onto once in a great while. He was working on Kaito a whole lot in the beginning, but decided to work with different series and leave that one for work to go back to take a break from drawing too much Conan or something. Though to be honest, MK's a little more enjoyable that way for me; I can't see it being syndicated like Conan. But I guess it worked for Lupin III.

As for there being more repetitive cases than plot in DC, a lot of detective series are like that; the format's not all that new. Besides, I don't think the BO plot is meant to be the main focus of Conan, especially for casual watchers who aren't following the series closely: it's how the mystery is solved and mapped out with all its tricks and twists. That's normally what draws people into mystery/detective things.

Posted: **May 11th, 2008, 8:40 pm**

Hi there.
First of all, there are so many japanese authors who commited suicide. That doesn't mean I am not going to read their works. I don't really care about the author as much as the works themselves. Obviously I am not going to marry him.
Secondly, go check all the whodunit mystrey anime out there. They all suck. Only one Gem among the coal, that is Detective Conan. Frankly speaking I don't watch DC for the plot eps, I actually watch it for the cases. Gosho Aoyama is just a great writer. These people are endangered species.
Finally, it is not really a rule to finish ones work. I mean did Maurice Leblanc keep in mind that he must find an ingenious way to finish his Arsen Lupin collection when he started writing it? I doubt it. They just keep writing and writing until they can write no more. We are lucky that Doyle revived Holmes in the "return of Sherlcok Holmes" to end his career properly later on. To tell you the truth, I was more happy with his death than with his retiring to raise bees. Same goes for Christie with Poirot in "the Curtains".

Posted: **May 12th, 2008, 12:51 am**

gooday everyone and thank you for sharing your opinin with me and i will now say something to each one of you

first Jd- : thank you man for your nice word and i want to replay to them :(You're afraid that your favorite series won't have an ending. Of course it will)
will it is not that i am afraid it is more like i know it take to much longe (500 ep and 61 vol) !!! man do thing the story of detective conan needed that much or did he put anything that show us that it will have ending no he just make the seires bad at first 10 episodes or the first 3 season i would say nothing cuz they where what make the seires so good with Gosho Aoyama great mind but later he make case that are waist of time and i thing all of fan know ( detctive boys case

and whatver).

(To say that you just simply cannot enjoy this is to say that you do not like mysteries, really.)
will i like mysteries cuz i love conan but i start to not enjoy cuz he didnt give me that much Answers like how much he give me of trash.

why i say that cuz in the seires we dont know abut the main evil character GIN for more then 400 ep
wich i thing is nice to use to show us what this character is but instid of that he use them to show me (what detctive boys fell and what the police couple do and what Kogoro Mori and his wife do these character have ep more of what Heiji Hattori have !!!! what joke )
man every seires has it way but with our detective conan it is torning to a joke and the joke is the he use 500 ep to show us only cases ! imagen my frind how much ep does he need to show us the story wish he didnt show us only 20% from it and wish i thing he stile dont know how to put it
i think that is good for today

Posted: **May 12th, 2008, 9:17 am**

I liked the cases more than the plot, Really

and you know why the evil guys have no development? Cuz it's a mystery LOL

if you like plot go watch something else cuz DC became successful because of the cases not the plot

heck if some of you would noticed that at the few early chapters/episode of DC, the BO and shrinking of Conan was more of a not so serious plot

and don't expect to see POV's from the antagonist side because this is a damn mystery show

Posted: **May 14th, 2008, 8:28 pm**

I do think like JD, coward is too hard of a term, I hope you don't call him murderer if he doesn't give Conan an ending

Posted: **May 16th, 2008, 3:50 am**

Hey man I think you're a bit harsh. I love everything about Detective Conan; main plot, minor plot, police love stories, Heiji cases, Mouri-Eri stories, specially the Detective Boys and of course the drawing. Many of us appreciate this anime. It's actually a masterpiece you know. I can't even think of how he can make these mysteries; from the trick used to the killer. It's pure genius!!!

Posted: **June 5th, 2008, 9:13 pm**

kat1214young wrote: Hey man I think you're a bit harsh. I love everything about Detective Conan; main plot, minor plot, police love stories, Heiji cases, Mouri-Eri stories, specially the Detective Boys and of course the drawing. Many of us appreciate this anime. It's actually a masterpiece you know. I can't even think of how he can make these mysteries; from the trick used to the killer. It's pure genius!!!

Agreed. It's too harsh.

How long have you been reading Conan? Have you been bored already? I've been reading Conan since I was in the elementary school.. That is *counts* 9 years. Almost 10 years, actually.

And hell, I haven't been bored of it yet XD XD XD

I just love it. And no complaint from me for Gosho :3

Posted: **June 9th, 2008, 12:50 am**

I liked the cases more than the plot, Really

Indeed. Detective Conan's main story is best described as a relatively mediocre and unwieldy thriller/suspense/action story. The cases themselves, however, are of a quality I haven't really seen anywhere else, not for this many episodes that's for sure. That being said, I agree there's been too much garbage in the cases recently. Too much Eri, too much vaguely related to the main plot, too many cases that aren't good solid mysteries.

Posted: **June 9th, 2008, 2:33 am**

However, by currently looking how things go so far, we're not too far from the Endgame. I believe that the story is getting a little more tense this time and that things will start to unravel soon. When? Well, I'm not too sure yet, but I predict that DC will end within a couple of years on how the story is going. So the story could end between the next few months to two years is what I am saying and predicting.

So Gosho is still taking some time, and I respect him no matter what, and people just need to be patient. Trying to come up with plots, storylines, etc. is a lot more hard work than people come to realize.

Posted: **June 9th, 2008, 6:18 am**

dilbertschalter wrote:
I liked the cases more than the plot, Really
Indeed. Detective Conan's main story is best described as a relatively mediocre and unwieldy thriller/suspense/action story. The cases themselves, however, are of a quality I haven't really seen anywhere else, not for this many episodes that's for sure. That being said, I agree there's been too much garbage in the cases recently. Too much Eri, too much vaguely related to the main plot, too many cases that aren't good solid mysteries.

yeah, even gosho's cases recently are less interesting

Posted: **June 9th, 2008, 7:49 pm**

Have there even been any real cases recently? It seems as though we just came out of a long BO arc to me.

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