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Child Abuse

Posted: September 25th, 2009, 8:12 pm
by Animeking1108
How come Kogoro never gets into any kind of trouble whenever he punches Conan? Did Megure forget about Child Abuse laws?

Re: Child Abuse

Posted: September 25th, 2009, 8:17 pm
by NotSoFluent
It's called slapstick. :P

Re: Child Abuse

Posted: September 25th, 2009, 8:30 pm
by Abs.
What child abuse laws?  Also, it's one of the only ways Japanese men are allowed to show affection toward each other  ;D

Re: Child Abuse

Posted: September 26th, 2009, 5:23 am
by takiko
Animeking1108 wrote: How come Kogoro never gets into any kind of trouble whenever he punches Conan? Did Megure forget about Child Abuse laws?
I... I somehow agree. Hahah.

Re: Child Abuse

Posted: September 26th, 2009, 5:34 am
by ssjup81
I was watching a Japanese drama, and one of the characters' father would constantly kick (okay, more so knee) him in the stomach as a form of punishment whenever he would act up.  Granted, this was a comedy too.  Guess it's just common.

Interestingly enough, though, even though we see Kogoro hitting Conan, I just couldn't imagine him hitting Ran when she was a kid.  Could you?  Seems he'd be a softy around her...then again, Ran's character strikes me as the type who was pretty disciplined (I guess the karate is to blame for that).

Re: Child Abuse

Posted: September 26th, 2009, 12:58 pm
by Animeking1108
NotSoFluent wrote: It's called slapstick. :P
Slapstick is more funny when performed on an Adult (Granted, Conan isn't really a kid, but that's aside from the point). And that was a close fisted punch. I'd be put in jail if that happened. The only time Kogoro actually performed proper discipline/corperal punishment was in episode 90.

Re: Child Abuse

Posted: September 26th, 2009, 2:03 pm
by NotSoFluent
Animeking1108 wrote:
NotSoFluent wrote: It's called slapstick. :P
Slapstick is more funny when performed on an Adult (Granted, Conan isn't really a kid, but that's aside from the point). And that was a close fisted punch. I'd be put in jail if that happened. The only time Kogoro actually performed proper discipline/corperal punishment was in episode 90.
To be fair, most slapstick presented in entertainment would land you in jail; whoever it's used on doesn't really matter in the world of cartoon comedy.  It's comedic Looney Tunes lump-on-the-head type humor.  The way it's presented in the manga and anime is more like a running gag rather than actual child abuse meant to be taken seriously.  That's what I meant in the broader sense of the term 'slapstick.'  

Re: Child Abuse

Posted: September 26th, 2009, 4:24 pm
by c-square
Animeking1108 wrote: How come Kogoro never gets into any kind of trouble whenever he punches Conan? Did Megure forget about Child Abuse laws?
It's a good point.  As much as we laugh at it, mostly because it's Shinichi who's really getting hit, it's not appropriate, and in many places, not legal.  There only a few ways that I think D.C. could be improved, and getting rid of the child abuse is definitely one of them.

Re: Child Abuse

Posted: September 27th, 2009, 3:11 am
by takiko
Conan324 wrote: what child abuse?  ???

conan is not child haven't you get it?  :-X

[/sarcasm]
If DC is true, Kogoro will get in trouble.

And Shinichi is considered a minor. He's still 17.

Re: Child Abuse

Posted: September 27th, 2009, 10:48 am
by NotSoFluent
ITT: Running gags = Serious Business.  Of course that won't work in real life; that's why they can get away with it shown in a cartoon, which is basically what anime is. Dohohoho.
Ocelot wrote: Image


It's just comedy  ;D
THANK YOU.

Re: Child Abuse

Posted: September 27th, 2009, 2:59 pm
by c-square
Ocelot wrote: It's just comedy  ;D
That may be, but it can be disturbing what society deems as 'funny'.  For example, back when the Honeymooners was running on TV, everyone found it funny how the husband always threatened to hit the wife, "Pow! Right in the kisser!".  You don't see that on sitcoms anymore because people no longer find it funny.  I have a feeling the same thing will happen with the child abuse shown here, and in other shows like 'The Simpsons'.  Our kids will look back at these examples and just shake their heads.

And as far as comedy goes, Mouri throwing conan here didn't add anything comically.  It was purely unnecessary for him to get his point across.

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Re: Child Abuse

Posted: September 27th, 2009, 4:13 pm
by NotSoFluent
c-square wrote:
Ocelot wrote: It's just comedy  ;D
That may be, but it can be disturbing what society deems as 'funny'.  For example, back when the Honeymooners was running on TV, everyone found it funny how the husband always threatened to hit the wife, "Pow! Right in the kisser!".  You don't see that on sitcoms anymore because people no longer find it funny.  I have a feeling the same thing will happen with the child abuse shown here, and in other shows like 'The Simpsons'.  Our kids will look back at these examples and just shake their heads.

And as far as comedy goes, Mouri throwing conan here didn't add anything comically.  It was purely unnecessary for him to get his point across.

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Now this is starting to skirt more into general slapstick.

I understand what you're trying to say here (throwing across the room is taking it pretty far, 1st Law of Anime aside), but you really can't take a lot of slapstick violence seriously since the injury is either not visible or not visible for long.  

Hell, the actual WORD "slapstick" came from smacking two sticks together in French comedy, in which it made a loud funny noise/image but no real damage was done.  Keep in mind that the pain of others is one of the essences of comedy and around which slapstick revolves; the only difference is that the target is meant to be resilient.   Why do you think Ataru Moroboshi of Urusei Yatsura walked out nearly unscathed from every electric shock Lum delt, every desk or truck Shinobu threw at him, and every flame Ten engulfs him in? 
Those two burglars in Home Alone would've either been dead or permanently handicapped if consequences came with the myriad of tricks and various objects thrown at them by little Kevin McCallister.  But they don't and come back in full swing for a sequel.  Because it's slapstick.

Rationalizing what actually happens is not only misses the point, but defeats the very purpose of slapstick and what's funny about it.  It gets ridiculous when you try to apply it to real life, because the world of cartoons and slapstick mostly do not work that way; it's campy, silly, and unreal. That's the whole point of both, even if the former isn't a full-blown comedy.

Re: Child Abuse

Posted: September 27th, 2009, 4:43 pm
by Kor
c-square wrote:
Ocelot wrote: It's just comedy  ;D
That may be, but it can be disturbing what society deems as 'funny'.  For example, back when the Honeymooners was running on TV, everyone found it funny how the husband always threatened to hit the wife, "Pow! Right in the kisser!".  You don't see that on sitcoms anymore because people no longer find it funny.  I have a feeling the same thing will happen with the child abuse shown here, and in other shows like 'The Simpsons'.  Our kids will look back at these examples and just shake their heads.

And as far as comedy goes, Mouri throwing conan here didn't add anything comically.  It was purely unnecessary for him to get his point across.

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After I started to read this thread (when it has just started) and then saw the video, I knew someone would post this pic here.

It seems like this violance tends to get to the extreme in movies and AOs

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Re: Child Abuse

Posted: September 27th, 2009, 5:14 pm
by Abs.
kentasaiba wrote: Its just all fun  >:(
Until someone loses an eye.




Then it's hilarious.

Re: Child Abuse

Posted: September 27th, 2009, 5:41 pm
by c-square
kentasaiba wrote: Ran had some baths with Conan, she is a pedo!
:)  That's a bit of a different case.  In Japan, it's acceptable for young boys to bathe with their mothers or young girls with their fathers, and it's not seen as anything sexual or inappropriate.  (See 'My Neighbor Totoro' for an example of this)  Because Conan's mother isn't around, Ran has taken on many maternal roles in caring for him, including taking baths with him.