Detective Conan 544 Discussion + ...A Plot Hole!? (SPOILERS!
Posted: August 10th, 2009, 8:26 pm
THIS TOPIC CONTAINS SPOILERS WITHOUT TAGS, OMG! (NOT THAT THIS CASE WASN'T ENTIRELY TOO OBVIOUS ANYWAY, BUT A WARNING HAS BEEN ISSUED!)
slider-chan usually makes these, but I couldn't wait to post something so here we go. I'll save it for the end of the post to INCREASE THE SUSPENSE.
Now, first of all, let's pose a question about this case. From the top, we have to go over the criminal's method:
+ He helps pack away the equipment.
+ He then confronts the woman, proceeds to press her against the wall, strangles her, kills her, etc.
+ He then packs her body into the bass drum case and removes the hand from the mannequin and places it in the guitar.
+ He then approaches Mouri (conveniently present, may I add), lures away Ran (whose presence is even more convenient), and then goes downstairs to discover the body.
The key point to the entire plot: his 'alibi' witness, who happens to be Ran. If it hadn't been for Ran being present, he'd have nothing more than his own word to say there had been a body there--and even then, there's no way to introduce the body switch trick if it's just him standing there. Some might say he could get the guard to play the Ran role... But of course that's not going to work. Even if the guy told the security guard to fetch the police and maybe an ambulance, there's no way the cop would just take his word for it and not check the body/turn on the lights. Even more, had the guy said this to the security guard, the police would have to take notice of it later.
Was he somehow planning on Mouri to be there that day? Because, if it had not been for him telling Ran to get Mouri, no matter who else the his fellow witness was, there wasn't really a positive way to ensure they'd forgo the security station and run all the way back to the roof. No, more likely, they'd run to the security guard first thing without thinking about. Ran has special circumstances (teenage girl with famous detective father), so we'll let her slide.
Thus, we come to the question of... WHEN... did he plan all this? From what transpires later in the episode, we can see it's a crime of opportunity and passion, despite him knowing that something was up with two of his bandmates and another band. While he did seem upset at this beforehand, it was her harsh words about him and his BREAKERZ cover band that put him over the edge.
Did he see Mouri yelling and, while performing, somehow come up with the mannequin and bass drum plan? Did he plan the entire crime right on the spot?
I thought of two more pretty solid issues with the eppy as well, but I'll hold off as this is definitely enough to get started. Obviously the discussion is tilted a bit, but I think a case can be made either way. AND AS SUCH, A CASE WE WILL MAKE.
BUT NOW ONTO THE FUNNY!
While working on the episode and before I sent it to QC, I saw a particular part that gave me a fairly hilarious idea for when the QC was underway.
At the point where Chiba walks in holding the mannequin and says, "Mouri-san... I've brought what you asked for," I just could help but add something to the screen. So, when the QC came to be and it was being watched, this showed up on the screen at that exact point for the giggles...
It went over well. It was fun. It was the best of times. It was the worst of times. 
slider-chan usually makes these, but I couldn't wait to post something so here we go. I'll save it for the end of the post to INCREASE THE SUSPENSE.
Now, first of all, let's pose a question about this case. From the top, we have to go over the criminal's method:
+ He helps pack away the equipment.
+ He then confronts the woman, proceeds to press her against the wall, strangles her, kills her, etc.
+ He then packs her body into the bass drum case and removes the hand from the mannequin and places it in the guitar.
+ He then approaches Mouri (conveniently present, may I add), lures away Ran (whose presence is even more convenient), and then goes downstairs to discover the body.
The key point to the entire plot: his 'alibi' witness, who happens to be Ran. If it hadn't been for Ran being present, he'd have nothing more than his own word to say there had been a body there--and even then, there's no way to introduce the body switch trick if it's just him standing there. Some might say he could get the guard to play the Ran role... But of course that's not going to work. Even if the guy told the security guard to fetch the police and maybe an ambulance, there's no way the cop would just take his word for it and not check the body/turn on the lights. Even more, had the guy said this to the security guard, the police would have to take notice of it later.
Was he somehow planning on Mouri to be there that day? Because, if it had not been for him telling Ran to get Mouri, no matter who else the his fellow witness was, there wasn't really a positive way to ensure they'd forgo the security station and run all the way back to the roof. No, more likely, they'd run to the security guard first thing without thinking about. Ran has special circumstances (teenage girl with famous detective father), so we'll let her slide.
Thus, we come to the question of... WHEN... did he plan all this? From what transpires later in the episode, we can see it's a crime of opportunity and passion, despite him knowing that something was up with two of his bandmates and another band. While he did seem upset at this beforehand, it was her harsh words about him and his BREAKERZ cover band that put him over the edge.
Did he see Mouri yelling and, while performing, somehow come up with the mannequin and bass drum plan? Did he plan the entire crime right on the spot?
I thought of two more pretty solid issues with the eppy as well, but I'll hold off as this is definitely enough to get started. Obviously the discussion is tilted a bit, but I think a case can be made either way. AND AS SUCH, A CASE WE WILL MAKE.
BUT NOW ONTO THE FUNNY!
While working on the episode and before I sent it to QC, I saw a particular part that gave me a fairly hilarious idea for when the QC was underway.
At the point where Chiba walks in holding the mannequin and says, "Mouri-san... I've brought what you asked for," I just could help but add something to the screen. So, when the QC came to be and it was being watched, this showed up on the screen at that exact point for the giggles...
Spoiler:
. So, by this time he would have already known that Kogoro and Ran were there. If that's the case, it's not a plot hole as long as he's smart enough to throw hte whole thing together. The fact that the mannequin the hand was stolen from was right next to where he murdered her points towards that also, because that seems like a "oh crap, how will I ocver this up, uhh uhh there's a mannequin YES" thing, whereas if it was premeditated, he would have probably yoinked a hand from a less obvious position.
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