Why did they do that......?

[Sachi]

So I cannot help but notice this. The BO are apparently working on national level and certainly have some agents in England too. Plus, Kir replaced a girl living in Osaka, which means Kir must have visited Osaka often, otherwise she never would have known about the girl who looks like her that's living there. This leads me to my main point.

1. If they have some members that work in England, they could have known about Saguru;
2. Since Kir replaced a girl that lives in Osaka, she must have known a bit about residents of Osaka, including Hattori, supported by the fact that she killed that woman and took her place, and is therefore a murderer. And as a murderer, she must have gathered some data on local police inspectors, whose children are Hattori and Kazuha. Later, when she joined the BO she could have told them all this.

Yet, despite both Saguru, Hattori or even Kazuha being a threat, the BO didn't go after any of them. Oh no, they didn't. Instead, they targeted Shinichi. Sure, he might have been a threat, but those two are also a threat, and they might have known that Hattori and Shinichi were working together. So why not use the drug on Hattori, Saguru or Kazuha as well? Why only Shinichi?

This has been bugging me for a while now too.....

[Serinox]

Why target Shinichi? You mean in Episode 1? Because he was a direct witness. It didn't matter that he was a detective or a potential threat, in that moment, he was just someone who saw them conducting an illegal business transaction. Witnesses die. Simple.

Why not target Saguru, Heiji or Kazuha? What would the BO gain from that? Sure, they could be threats, but so could every member of the law enforcement. If anything, systematically killing the children of high ranking police officers, would raise way more suspicion than simply leaving them be.

[Sachi]

Well, the true reason I am asking is because of sense of deja-vu that I have. When the two first met during the Yuki-onna thing, they were always trying to be one step ahead of each other. Somehow, one of them was targeted and the other wasn't. The BO is willing to do anything to remove the evidence, as proven during that sniping, when they were willing to assassinate Kogoro, who hasn't done anything that comes close to interfering with their goal except talking with Kir. They also tried to do Shinichi in simply for overhearing them. So, in the long run, why not try to do Hattori in? Even if it's on Shinichi's behalf, Hattori is moving directly against Kir.

[Serinox]

Again, they don't know that Heiji is moving against them iirc, so why should they target him? And they didn't want to kill Kogoro, because they thought he just talked to Kir, Gin thought, that Kogoro explicitly planted a bug on Kir and was behind the failure of their first assasination attempt on Domon. So, both time the BO has a clue or a strong suspicion that their targets (in this case Shinichi and Kogoro) are actively interfering with their activities. They don't have a similar suspicion about Heiji, so why kill him?

[Spimer]

Besides, I think you've got the wrong idea about Kir. It's nowhere said that she replaced that girl in Oosaka: I'm sure it was her at a younger age when she lived there.

Conan at first thought Kir was impersonating Eisuke's sister but it was later proven to be wrong and Kir had been Eisuke's sister all along.

[Sachi]

I just saw that.

However, it gives them no excuse to do that. The way I see it, Apotoxin did exactly what it was supposed to do: it ruined a life. And not just one life, but four lives, maybe even five. Shinichi and Shiho are obvious ones, that's two. Then there's Akemi, who died because she tried to save both Shiho and Shuuichi. Then there's Shuuichi himself, who blames himself for Akemi dying (and if he meets Shiho, possibly for her situation as well). That's four. And finally, there's Ran, who is still faithful, but suffers from heartache. That's five.

And unrelated in a way, but there's another interesting thing I've noticed, but I think that Clash of Red and Black isn't appropriate. It should be called 'First Red Gentleman vs BO', with the first part being a pun of sorts. Akai means red, that much is obvious, but there are two others who drive the attack on BO home. Ichi as in Shinichi means first, as he pointed out to Hattori earlier. In greek, Kir means 'gentleman'. And this brings me to another interesting point: Belmont. Somehow, I get the feeling that she is covering for both Kir and Conan. I think it's partially because she wants BO destroyed so that she could once again be free and partially so he could return to his old self and go back to Ran. I suspect that if it ever comes to the point where he could reach out for the antidote, Belmont would contact Kir if she is still alive and they would smuggle the antidote out together, and if Kir is dead, Belmont would do it herself. She got the smarts to pull off such a gamble, plus she could always use the fact that 'that person' likes her the most if she is caught by one of more gullible members. If it were Gin who catches her, she would quickly disguise as Akai if she sees or hears him approaching say something like that she always hated him for killing Akemi or something similar to this and blow his head off. Or even better, she could disguise as Ran, her 'angel' and demand what happened to Shinichi. This might seem more natural, because she too harbors feelings for Shinichi, therefore it's real.

[Max1996]

I just saw that.

However, it gives them no excuse to do that. The way I see it, Apotoxin did exactly what it was supposed to do: it ruined a life. And not just one life, but four lives, maybe even five. Shinichi and Shiho are obvious ones, that's two. Then there's Akemi, who died because she tried to save both Shiho and Shuuichi. Then there's Shuuichi himself, who blames himself for Akemi dying (and if he meets Shiho, possibly for her situation as well). That's four. And finally, there's Ran, who is still faithful, but suffers from heartache. That's five.

And unrelated in a way, but there's another interesting thing I've noticed, but I think that Clash of Red and Black isn't appropriate. It should be called 'First Red Gentleman vs BO', with the first part being a pun of sorts. Akai means red, that much is obvious, but there are two others who drive the attack on BO home. Ichi as in Shinichi means first, as he pointed out to Hattori earlier. In greek, Kir means 'gentleman'. And this brings me to another interesting point: Belmont. Somehow, I get the feeling that she is covering for both Kir and Conan. I think it's partially because she wants BO destroyed so that she could once again be free and partially so he could return to his old self and go back to Ran. I suspect that if it ever comes to the point where he could reach out for the antidote, Belmont would contact Kir if she is still alive and they would smuggle the antidote out together, and if Kir is dead, Belmont would do it herself. She got the smarts to pull off such a gamble, plus she could always use the fact that 'that person' likes her the most if she is caught by one of more gullible members. If it were Gin who catches her, she would quickly disguise as Akai if she sees or hears him approaching say something like that she always hated him for killing Akemi or something similar to this and blow his head off. Or even better, she could disguise as Ran, her 'angel' and demand what happened to Shinichi. This might seem more natural, because she too harbors feelings for Shinichi, therefore it's real.

Wait, who's this "Belmont"? The things you said bring Vermouth to mind.

[Sachi]

Indeed it does. Belmont is, in fact, Japanised spelling of Vermouth.

[usotsuki]

Indeed it does. Belmont is, in fact, Japanised spelling of Vermouth.

Incorrect. Japanese spelling is ベルモット, pronounced Berumotto.

This is the problem with considering old fansubs correct in all regards because often they're not. Kaizou in particular has many serious translation errors concealed underneath their excellent editing. (The episode that had this mistake has since been re-subbed; I was one of the translators.)

[Puto]

Belmont isn't even a valid adaptation, because Belmont would be ベルモント (berumonto) rather than ベルモット.

[Max1996]

Plus, Belmont is not even an existing alcoholic drink.

[Sachi]

But it only differs in one character.

[usotsuki]

It's still incorrect.

[Sachi]

Regardless, I feel more comfortable calling her Belmont. Calling her Vermouth would mean she is fully on BO's side. Considering she has shown to be moreso on the side of Conan + Ran, I'd rather call her Belmont to separate her from the rest. I refer to Kir as Rena for this same reason.

[Max1996]

Regardless, I feel more comfortable calling her Belmont. Calling her Vermouth would mean she is fully on BO's side. Considering she has shown to be moreso on the side of Conan + Ran, I'd rather call her Belmont to separate her from the rest. I refer to Kir as Rena for this same reason.

Everyone else just calls her Vermouth because that's her BO codename, regardless of whether or not she is fully on the side of the BO.