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Just a quick question! I noticed an argument on Tumblr centered around whether or not the DC universe and the MK universe are actually the same -- the proponent of the "no, they're different" argument said that Aoyama explicitly stated as much a few years ago.

Does anybody have any translations or links that can confirm this?

Gosho always says things that contradict later on anyway

More or less are the same, because the same characters appear in both series, however pretty much they're not related to each other at all.

I can't remember where but I remember reading that Yaiba and MK are in the same universe, but DC is separate (because magic doesn't exist)

Jecka wrote:I can't remember where but I remember reading that Yaiba and MK are in the same universe, but DC is separate (because magic doesn't exist)

Perhaps You seen one of the special episodes in which Kaito was with Yaiba characters.

Nemomon wrote:

Jecka wrote:I can't remember where but I remember reading that Yaiba and MK are in the same universe, but DC is separate (because magic doesn't exist)

Perhaps You seen one of the special episodes in which Kaito was with Yaiba characters.

No it was in an interview I believe.

Different realities that crossed over due to the actions of Shao Kahn and Darkseid.

I think the Magic Kaito universe just phases in and out of Conan's. Very complex stuff, multiverse theory, quantum mechanics. WRITING!

Jecka wrote:I can't remember where but I remember reading that Yaiba and MK are in the same universe, but DC is separate (because magic doesn't exist)

How does that reconcile with the constant and consistent crossovers between the two? Phantom Lady and Ryoma are just one example of that -- and an important one, given that it directly references Kid's backstory. Beyond that, there's still just plain no way for Kid to exist in DC without the two being connected, not after the way Kid drops little comments like, "This isn't what I'm looking for," at the end of heists.

Regarding magic: it only exists within one character, Akako, who was written into MK when it was still 100% a ridiculous comedy gag manga. It's been toned down now, and honestly, we're seeing DC entirely from Conan's point of view. He's never met Akako, so how would he know? And since she's not part of his story and only a minor character in Kid's, there's no reason for them to ever meet. The two canons don't contradict each other at all.

But like I said in the original post, if anybody can show me Gosho's interview, I'll take it into consideration. Otherwise I'm just going to treat it much like the "Nobody Gets Hurt" Kid heist rule: as fanon.

Itsabere wrote: Regarding magic: it only exists within one character, Akako, who was written into MK when it was still 100% a ridiculous comedy gag manga. It's been toned down now, and honestly, we're seeing DC entirely from Conan's point of view. He's never met Akako, so how would he know? And since she's not part of his story and only a minor character in Kid's, there's no reason for them to ever meet. The two canons don't contradict each other at all.

One of the points of DC is that it is based on logic, and that magic and demons and ghosts, etc. don't exist in it. It doesn't matter Conan doesn't know Akako or that Akako's the only one who can have magic, it's one of the main principals of the story - magic isn't real. Akako, as she's depicted in MK, can't exist in DC.

I understand your point! But I still disagree.

Are we absolutely and 100% sure "magic isn't real" in DC, or that it's a main and completely infallible principle of the series? Consider Conan and Ai's existence. A mysterious poison shrunk them into the bodies of children. It's explained as science in series, but it definitely isn't "logical" science. Furthermore, what about Vermouth's existence? Its implied that she is both Chris Vineyard and Sharon Vineyard at once, and that she is much, much older than she looks. What about the hints of immortality that surround her? You could say "oh, once again, that's science" but once again, it's not logical science. When it comes to case-of-the-week solving, sure, demons and ghosts and monsters are said to not exist. But again, that's Conan's side of the story, not Kaito's! To him, demons and monsters and ghosts don't exist because they do not directly influence his story whereas they do OCCASIONALLY influence Kaito's -- and while we see the world through Conan's eyes in DC, his worldview isn't infallible fact.

It's okay for magic to exist in DC and remain completely separate from Conan. It's okay to say magic exists but simply doesn't factor into Conan's story. But it's not okay to say Conan's side of the story is all logic logic logic all the time: it has its own set of completely illogical and impossible happenings.

As far as I'm concerned, it makes far more narrative sense to let Akako slide, even just for the sake of not turning the Kid heist chapters in DC and crossover chapters in MK into a horrific convoluted mess that makes no sense.

Itsabere wrote:

Jecka wrote:I can't remember where but I remember reading that Yaiba and MK are in the same universe, but DC is separate (because magic doesn't exist)

How does that reconcile with the constant and consistent crossovers between the two? Phantom Lady and Ryoma are just one example of that -- and an important one, given that it directly references Kid's backstory. Beyond that, there's still just plain no way for Kid to exist in DC without the two being connected, not after the way Kid drops little comments like, "This isn't what I'm looking for," at the end of heists.

Regarding magic: it only exists within one character, Akako, who was written into MK when it was still 100% a ridiculous comedy gag manga. It's been toned down now, and honestly, we're seeing DC entirely from Conan's point of view. He's never met Akako, so how would he know? And since she's not part of his story and only a minor character in Kid's, there's no reason for them to ever meet. The two canons don't contradict each other at all.

But like I said in the original post, if anybody can show me Gosho's interview, I'll take it into consideration. Otherwise I'm just going to treat it much like the "Nobody Gets Hurt" Kid heist rule: as fanon.

Conan met Akako in OAV 1
though it might not count

MrDetective wrote:

Itsabere wrote:

Jecka wrote:I can't remember where but I remember reading that Yaiba and MK are in the same universe, but DC is separate (because magic doesn't exist)

How does that reconcile with the constant and consistent crossovers between the two? Phantom Lady and Ryoma are just one example of that -- and an important one, given that it directly references Kid's backstory. Beyond that, there's still just plain no way for Kid to exist in DC without the two being connected, not after the way Kid drops little comments like, "This isn't what I'm looking for," at the end of heists.

Regarding magic: it only exists within one character, Akako, who was written into MK when it was still 100% a ridiculous comedy gag manga. It's been toned down now, and honestly, we're seeing DC entirely from Conan's point of view. He's never met Akako, so how would he know? And since she's not part of his story and only a minor character in Kid's, there's no reason for them to ever meet. The two canons don't contradict each other at all.

But like I said in the original post, if anybody can show me Gosho's interview, I'll take it into consideration. Otherwise I'm just going to treat it much like the "Nobody Gets Hurt" Kid heist rule: as fanon.

Conan met Akako in OAV 1
though it might not count

The OAVs aren't manga canon, and therefore -- as far as I'm concerned -- don't count. I likewise don't count the movies (except maybe 18? I heard that's officially canon, though I'm not 100% sure and would like sources), AO filler episodes, the MK specials, or the MK1412 anime.

(1993)In the Yaiba manga, at the very end, Keiko says that Kuroba and Nakamori in another class are finally going out

(1994)In the Kaitou Kid manga, Kaito directly meets Yaiba (this was later animated into Conan OVA 1 and adds Conan into the mix)

(1997+)In the Detective Conan manga, Conan directly meets Kaitou Kid on multiple occasions.

(1999)Later in the Kaitou Kid manga, he meets Shinichi in a chapter that back dates from before his appearance in Detective Conan

Even with the cross over between the series', these can still be considered different universes. The characters showing up in other series' could be slightly altered versions of the ones from their own series. Its pretty clear that in the Detective Conan universe that "real" magic does not exist. Conan always finds an explanation for anything and everything that he encounters, even Kaitou Kid's magic tricks. In the Kaitou universe where magic is known to exist, because of Akako, it makes it far more fesable for Yaiba to make an appearance there. Neither Yaiba, nor Akako, have made direct appearances in the Conan manga. They can't because they contain attributes that contradict the world view.

However, Kaitou Kid is billed from the beginning of his series to just be a stage magician doing magic tricks to steal things. However at the beginning of his series there wasn't anyone there to explain his tricks in detail and they retained some of the magic qualities of stage magic. This makes it more reasonable for "real" magic to appear to be brought in to be in conflict with it. Shinichi's brief appearance in the Kaitou manga is after they have introduced Hakuba and much of the story seemed to have changed to a Conan-esque formula after the Conan manga had started. Akako herself disappears after the main Conan-esque Pandora Org appears, only to appear briefly in the chapters with Shinichi which is presented as a flashback. The Phantom Lady chapters appear after much of the formula shift and make more sense as a cross over with Conan that could cross the boundries between series.

As long as certain boundries remain in check, I'm just going to keep saying that the cross overs are slightly different universe versions of the same characters.

jimmy_kud0_tv2 wrote:(1993)In the Yaiba manga, at the very end, Keiko says that Kuroba and Nakamori in another class are finally going out

(1994)In the Kaitou Kid manga, Kaito directly meets Yaiba (this was later animated into Conan OVA 4 and adds Conan into the mix)

(1997+)In the Detective Conan manga, Conan directly meets Kaitou Kid on multiple occasions.

(1999)Later in the Kaitou Kid manga, he meets Shinichi in a chapter that back dates from before his appearance in Detective Conan

Even with the cross over between the series', these can still be considered different universes. The characters showing up in other series' could be slightly altered versions of the ones from their own series. Its pretty clear that in the Detective Conan universe that "real" magic does not exist. Conan always finds an explanation for anything and everything that he encounters, even Kaitou Kid's magic tricks. In the Kaitou universe where magic is known to exist, because of Akako, it makes it far more fesable for Yaiba to make an appearance there. Neither Yaiba, nor Akako, have made direct appearances in the Conan manga. They can't because they contain attributes that contradict the world view.

However, Kaitou Kid is billed from the beginning of his series to just be a stage magician doing magic tricks to steal things. However at the beginning of his series there wasn't anyone there to explain his tricks in detail and they retained some of the magic qualities of stage magic. This makes it more reasonable for "real" magic to appear to be brought in to be in conflict with it. Shinichi's brief appearance in the Kaitou manga is after they have introduced Hakuba and much of the story seemed to have changed to a Conan-esque formula after the Conan manga had started. Akako herself disappears after the main Conan-esque Pandora Org appears, only to appear briefly in the chapters with Shinichi which is presented as a flashback. The Phantom Lady chapters appear after much of the formula shift and make more sense as a cross over with Conan that could cross the boundries between series.

As long as certain boundries remain in check, I'm just going to keep saying that the cross overs are slightly different universe versions of the same characters.

I guess this is an agree to disagree scenario! I absolutely disagree that magic can't exist in any capacity in DC, and my personal preference, given the evidence we see when the two manga cross over, is that they're one in the same.

However! I didn't actually make this topic to debate whether it's true or not—my primary intention was to see if anybody knows anything about the interview with Gosho. I figured that if I could find confirmation of its existence (and preferably a link to a translation) anywhere, it would be here.