DCTP Forums

Thinking back to discussions in the past on how the killers often tend to get the final word in DC cases pertaining to the victim, I began to think of all the times where the killer's motive was seen as evil from the start, or they tried to sound sympathetic but got called on it.

Note: This only applies for cases where we don't know they're dealing with a psychopath from the start.

Times where the killer was seen in the wrong from the get go/they might have broken down but there's no way their motive can be seen as sympathetic: Times where the killer tried to sound sympathetic but got called on it: What are your guys' thoughts on this? I'm sure there's plenty more examples.

One more note though, there's a fairly recent case in the manga that I won't spoil, but there's a murder at a hospital, and when you find out what the motive is, it IMO is one of the biggest WTF in terms of DC culprit motives in the sense of I can't tell whether this means we should feel bad for the killer

I actually usually side with the culprits. Most often their victims were bitches that deserved dying anyway. The culprits helped us getting rid of that mean people.

It depends really... The victims usually had it coming for them but in some cases they are just sad misunderstandings(Wedding murder case and Red Wall). And then the culprits are also plain pathetic in some(Toxic Sushi). And then there is one like Sealed bathroom where the culprit regrets what she did immediately after finding out. AND then there's the Shinichi's First Love case where I just want to kick the culprit in the face. Seriously, starting a fire so he could play a hero and rescue his love thus make her fall in love with him.

I think I'll leave this at that...

In terms of flat out crazy motives, I don't think anything will ever top the Holmes Freak case.

TV Tropes said it best: "He killed two people and tried to kill a third essentially over fanfiction."

Brekclub85 wrote: TV Tropes said it best: "He killed two people and tried to kill a third essentially over fanfiction."

Amen.

Don't know how I managed to miss this topic.

I agree completely with this:

Nemomon wrote:I actually usually side with the culprits. Most often their victims were bitches that deserved dying anyway. The culprits helped us getting rid of that mean people.

Even though killing them is still illegal, I really have a hard time to swallow down Conan's moral-reading to the culprits who have already lost everything in their life thanks to the "victims". Preaching is useless in such situations. I mean, I understand that Conan is a good guy at heart and legally he is right, but that doesn't come in mind automatically, I have to really make efforts. Gosho portrays the situations in this way since forever. On the other hand, hatred towards the victims is automatic.

By the way, I am still at episode 635. Do they continue with this "revenge" formula until today's episodes, could somebody tell me please?

Remeber at the desperate survival arc shinishi said even though he can understand the motive to murder someone he doesn't understand why people would murder each other. I'm hoping in the future gosho will make conan have some hatred towards somebody enough to kill him that would be good character development.

Mario2000 wrote:By the way, I am still at episode 635. Do they continue with this "revenge" formula until today's episodes, could somebody tell me please?

Nope the formula isn't the same but the motives are beoming more stupid lol

also imo this "forumla" has been pretty re-used a lot of time. What I want to see is a psycho 100% evil

David mason wrote:Remeber at the desperate survival arc shinishi said even though he can understand the motive to murder someone he doesn't understand why people would murder each other.

Yet in that case also, it would have made more sense if Shinichi said this about the victim, an aspirant doctor who murdered a patient of his to push forward his bogus medicine who could as well kill other people. Yet Shinichi seems to blame exclusively the person who stopped the psycho (somebody could say the man should have been dealt with by the law, not private justice, but I don't think it would have worked - he would have got off the hook for sure).

What I found interesting is when some of the cases made you feel for the criminal, and hate the victim, only to have the criminal 100% right in his actions. I mean, I get the whole "feel for the bad guy/victim isn't always an angel", but, pulling this trope, then actually going with it, was always a nice change of pace.

A good example for this would be the stalker murder case, where a woman was being nearly driven to madness by a persistent stalker, only to murder him in the end. You totally expect her to go jail and suffer for the stalker's creepy aggressions, but at the end of the episode, you realize he was planning to murder her, so it goes into some form of self-defense clause.

Feels train be like:
- Oh man, that victim was a total dick. No wonder he got killed!
- Man, I really feel for you murderer-san. You're not in the wrong at all...
- Wait what? He's not wrong? Like, actually not in the wrong?
- AWESOME!
- Case closed.

even sometimes the motive was romantic jealousy like it happened in the 1st episode the roller coaster murder case, but they usually feel sorry for their evil deeds.

also sometimes kill for jealousy, but usually feel sorry for what they do (normally women, except for the hammer-woman).
i would like to help them to cure their jealousy if i were in these episodes.
examples: roller coaster murder case, missing lover in the snowstorm...
what do you think of it?