Shinichi+Ran

[TheBlind]

But the reaction will still be different, even if his answer was the same as what he said to Haibara. Ran may not understand it but Haibara understand as Conan was agree on what she said about "Sacrificing lives for unknowns"

Sorry, but this is only YOUR OWN assumption, it did NOT happen in the story, if you have a prove from something has ACTUALLY happened, or was said, then will be more than happy to discuss it  .

Beside... I don't even know why this example was given to show how Haibara understands how Conan feels. Quite the opposite.
When he told her to look for the Detective Boys there was no indication that there might be more bombs and that he might get himself into mortal danger. Conan had solved so many problems and survived, so helping to save a little girl with lots of competent adults isn't exactly very dangerous compared to what he did before.
And then, when he returned and Haibara told him that it was the right choice to save yourself instead of completely stranger Conan didn't agree with her: He agreed that it was what the bomber probably thinks as well. That was not his own opinion.

If you ask me what Ran would have done in that situation: Of course she wouldn't want to lose Conan/Shinichi, she would want him to save himself. But on the other hand I am sure she would understand his desire to try to save the innocent who are threatened by the final bomb. After all, if she was in his situation she would do the same.

That's not a fair comparison. Ran grew up with Shinichi, so of course his ideals would rub off on her. If your father shows you by example to aid people in need on a daily basis, chances are you will do the same as an adult. If your father constantly tells you never to trust people and shows you on a daily basis, by example, how people are evil, chances are you will grow up not trust many outsiders. So this is not a fair argument as Shiho was raised by the Black Organization while Ran grew up with Mr. Perfect.

If you swapped their upbringing, chances are that Ai would be more trusting and helpful to strangers(she has shown to be heading in that direction after spending so much time with Conan and the DBs) while Ran would karate anyone that got within two feet of her.

[kirite]

That's not a fair comparison. Ran grew up with Shinichi, so of course his ideals would rub off on her. If your father shows you by example to aid people in need on a daily basis, chances are you will do the same as an adult. If your father constantly tells you never to trust people and shows you on a daily basis, by example, how people are evil, chances are you will grow up not trust many outsiders. So this is not a fair argument as Shiho was raised by the Black Organization while Ran grew up with Mr. Perfect.

If you swapped their upbringing, chances are that Ai would be more trusting and helpful to strangers(she has shown to be heading in that direction after spending so much time with Conan and the DBs) while Ran would karate anyone that got within two feet of her.

I don't think Schillok was comparing the two in anyway, just trying to argue against the "Ran may not understand it but Haibara understand as Conan was agree on what she said about "Sacrificing lives for unknowns". comment made by kanata09.


Ran raised by the B.O....be afraid, be very afraid.

[mangaluva]

Ran raised by the B.O....be afraid, be very afraid.

NOOOOOOOOOOO!  *flees*

[Schillok]

That's not a fair comparison. Ran grew up with Shinichi, so of course his ideals would rub off on her. If your father shows you by example to aid people in need on a daily basis, chances are you will do the same as an adult. If your father constantly tells you never to trust people and shows you on a daily basis, by example, how people are evil, chances are you will grow up not trust many outsiders. So this is not a fair argument as Shiho was raised by the Black Organization while Ran grew up with Mr. Perfect.

If you swapped their upbringing, chances are that Ai would be more trusting and helpful to strangers(she has shown to be heading in that direction after spending so much time with Conan and the DBs) while Ran would karate anyone that got within two feet of her.

I don't think Schillok was comparing the two in anyway, just trying to argue against the "Ran may not understand it but Haibara understand as Conan was agree on what she said about "Sacrificing lives for unknowns". comment made by kanata09.

Yeah, exactly that was what I intended to say: It is not Ran, Haibara is the one who did not understand (at least not at that moment - I guess after thinking what Conan said she might reconsider) Conans willingness to sacrify himself even for strangers if necessary.

But I must say... that scenario by "TheBlind" is really interesting... Gave me inspiration for a short fanfiction. Maybe I should write this one down...


Anyway, beside fanfiction I think this is a good question: How much different would Ran Ai#2 and Ai Shiho be if they had swapped their lives?
But before you blame everything on "Mr. Perfect high-school detective" remember that Akemi - who was the most important person in Shihos life - probably had similar views as Shinichi. At least she was a lot more open to other people.

[conanfan1]

Ran raised by the B.O....be afraid, be very afraid.

NOOOOOOOOOOO!  *flees*

OMG "runs away in panic screaming ITS THE END OF THE WORLD!!!!"

XD

[TheBlind]

Anyway, beside fanfiction I think this is a good question: How much different would Ran Ai#2 and Ai Shiho be if they had swapped their lives?
But before you blame everything on "Mr. Perfect high-school detective" remember that Akemi - who was the most important person in Shihos life - probably had similar views as Shinichi. At least she was a lot more open to other people.

I don't think that is true. Akemi did show that she is willing and capable of disregarding justice in order to get her results. At his most extreme, Conan/Shinichi has only replaced society's justice with his own, but his own justice can be seen as more "pure" that society's justice anyway.

But to answer you question, it's not even a comparison. Though we still have many blanks to fill when it comes to Shiho and Akemi, we do have enough evidence to show that they cannot be compared to Shinichi and his "little follower"(someone get this) . I really don't even have to go into detail with this one. Yes, I agree that some of the "good" in Shiho could of came from Akemi but trying to compare the amount of time Ran spent near Shinichi during her childhood to the amount of time Shiho spent near Akemi is ridiculous.

As for the second question, it is hard to get a good answer, but I say something like Akako?
As for Ran, probably exactly like Chianti, just pure hate for everything that doesn't involve making someone else miserable.
..Oh I see what you did there, trying to make us write your fanfic FOR YOU, nice try...nice try.

[Vylash]

That's not a fair comparison. Ran grew up with Shinichi, so of course his ideals would rub off on her. If your father shows you by example to aid people in need on a daily basis, chances are you will do the same as an adult. If your father constantly tells you never to trust people and shows you on a daily basis, by example, how people are evil, chances are you will grow up not trust many outsiders. So this is not a fair argument as Shiho was raised by the Black Organization while Ran grew up with Mr. Perfect.

If you swapped their upbringing, chances are that Ai would be more trusting and helpful to strangers(she has shown to be heading in that direction after spending so much time with Conan and the DBs) while Ran would karate anyone that got within two feet of her.

I don't think Schillok was comparing the two in anyway, just trying to argue against the "Ran may not understand it but Haibara understand as Conan was agree on what she said about "Sacrificing lives for unknowns". comment made by kanata09.


Ran raised by the B.O....be afraid, be very afraid.

you know what that means...SHE MUST DIE!!!

[Abs.]

Ran raised by the B.O....be afraid, be very afraid.

you know what that means...SHE MUST DIE!!!

"She" did.  Ran raised by the B.O. = Akemi.  It's not like it wasn't hinted enough that they were similar.

[TheBlind]

Ran raised by the B.O....be afraid, be very afraid.

you know what that means...SHE MUST DIE!!!

"She" did.  Ran raised by the B.O. = Akemi.  It's not like it wasn't hinted enough that they were similar.

..We don't know if Akemi was raised by the Organization. By the looks if it, it seems like they gave her a free pass because she was useless to them and they needed Shiho. The fact that Shiho had to meet with Akemi outside the Organization facilities and that Akai had to use Shiho(via Akemi) to infiltrate the Organization shows that they had little interest in her. I assume outside of loosing her family, Akemi called the shots on how she lived her life(as long as it didn't interfere with Shiho or their secrecy), which means she really wasn't raised by them.

[Abs.]

Ran raised by the B.O....be afraid, be very afraid.

you know what that means...SHE MUST DIE!!!

"She" did.  Ran raised by the B.O. = Akemi.  It's not like it wasn't hinted enough that they were similar.

..We don't know if Akemi was raised by the Organization. By the looks if it, it seems like they gave her a free pass because she was useless to them and they needed Shiho. The fact that Shiho had to meet with Akemi outside the Organization facilities and that Akai had to use Shiho(via Akemi) to infiltrate the Organization shows that they had little interest in her. I assume outside of loosing her family, Akemi called the shots on how she lived her life(as long as it didn't interfere with Shiho or their secrecy), which means she really wasn't raised by them.

Well then.  Who was she raised by?

[TheBlind]

Well then.  Who was she raised by?

I have no idea. I don't think anyone does except Gosho. We can speculate that a friend of the family not involved with the B.O. took her in or Akemi was old enough at that point to become an emancipated minor. She already showed to be intelligent and resourceful enough as a child while her parents where alive.

I just can't see the B.O. raising her(because of the above) and at the age 16-18 saying "okay get the hell out of my house now."

[ranger]

yeeeaaaaaah I love this thread

[Abs.]

or Akemi was old enough at that point to become an emancipated minor

Even if it was this, she'd still have been raised by the B.O.

The unrelated friend angle, I like.

[Nyarl]

Ran and Shin'ichi are still closer in view on the value of a stranger's life than Shiho and Shin'ichi are. It doesn't matter why that is if the argument is about how Ran and Shin'ichi have “nothingâ€

[Ran-Fan]

Thank god that somebody come back to the real subject of this topic  , we know that when we talk about Shinichi and Ran is a fact that Haibara appears in the subject to  , but this is not a Haibara´s life topic  .

For almost 15 years of Detective Conan, Shinichi-Conan never saw Haibara in a romantic way , he love Ran, that is a f-a-c-t  8), and that never –I hope- change, so, the “they don´t have nothing in commonâ€