Shinichi+Ran

[GinRei]

Shinichi has a can-get-away-with-anything card, just like the police have a so-dumb-they-need-help-tying-their-shoes card, and the culprits have instantly-smart-so-that-we-can-have-a-plot card.

Don't forget the victims with their insta-genius-dying_message cards.

[Nyarl]

Life is much more important to Shin'ichi than law or justice. We've seen repeated examples of this, from his highly illegal evidence/witness tampering cover up of the maid's unwitting role in the Araide case to the times he's kept quiet and let the victim forgive the culprit rather than report things to the police (Soccer Blackmail, Scuba Diving, Idols' Secret (where he also saved a suicidal culprit)).

so...the reason he did this: http://www.onemanga.com/Detective_Conan/1/07/ (kicking a globe at an old man) is because he values life more than law or justice? Could the police really not catch an old man running away that he HAD to kick a large object at an old man who might (in real life and/or in DC) be seriously injured? Same for his shoes and the balls he is kicking. People might be seriously injured by these things, but he uses them in order to catch the criminals. So he values life, but injuring people in order to catch them and bring them to justice is A-OK?

He kicks an ashtray into Kogoro's head for the first “sleeping Kogoroâ€

[TheBlind]

He does have a hero complex which often places his moral aesthetics above the law, but his moral aesthetics seem pretty typical and even particularly postmodern-Western-civilization compatible compassion based to me.

That complex is something that has been growing into a problem. With this series running so long, his hero complex that triumphs all has turned into a magical Marie Sue device. Shinichi has successfully predicted and gotten out of so many fatal situations that you begin to lose interest in the story.

[mangaluva]

My two cents on Shinichi's psyche. Prepare for another ridiculously long psychology post.

Spoiler:

Subject: Kudo Shinichi
Prognosis: Identity crisis (no shit, Sherlock)

Subject is an Asian teen male, age 17 (physically 7 at present). Most striking personality feature is the immensely high IQ and highly logical mindset. Definitely a very left-brained individual- logical, mathematical, most comfortable with set facts and controlled variables. IQ is likely 180+, definitely somewhere in genius territory. While he’s fond of soccer, it’s likely that he could quickly master any sport he turns his hand (or foot) to, particularly structured or team sports with set rules and regulations. He likes to keep himself in shape, even more so as Conan since he clearly resents the physical barriers brought on by his reduced size.

Social relationships, on the other hand, are an entirely different matter. His high IQ sets him apart from his peers and even most adults; as an adult, this led to an ego problem, primarily that it was so inflated that you could rent it out for children’s parties (as long as they took their shoes off first). Shrinking must have been a terrible blow to that, not only because of the huge physical limitations it brought (this tends to be a bigger deal for males who, no matter how intellectual, are still inclined to compete physically, only made worse by the fact that he was clearly a shrimp for his age; not only is he smaller than a 17-year-old, he’s smaller than most 7-year-olds) but because while once everyone listened to him and praised him before, people don’t take kids seriously. He’s not listened to and generally brushed off or downright ignored, even though he’s right. He’s probably unused to being out of the spotlight, and the adults around him will seem condescending, stupid or slow (likely all three in Kogoro’s case). This makes it a little difficult for him to happily deal with adults, and dealing with actual kids is even harder due to the vast difference in mental level.

His acting skills are what’s saving him; as was seen at the school play and in his ability to deceive everyone into believing that he’s “Conanâ€

[Abs.]

He’s even worse with Ai, although she could be deliberately unsettling him.

This is definitely the case.  She's a bit of a psychologist herself.

[Misztina]

Wow, very nice description, which actually fits his personality. ^^

That he cannot predict or even take in account feelings and emotions of girls is shown double in Halloween Party too. Both Ran and Haibara risked their lives, almost completely ruining Shinichi's plans, lucky for him. I don't think he could have survived this whole situation if he'd had to follow his own plans. It is also cute in this case that if Heiji hadn't been the part of the plan, and have been able to go to where Shinichi was, he would have, just like Haibara did. Ran went there for another reason, but nevermind this now.

Shinichi's sort of exclusion of confusing emotions makes him able to fight good against the likes like Gin, who doesn't seem to deal with emotions either.

[kholoudsafir]

My two cents on Shinichi's psyche. Prepare for another ridiculously long psychology post.

nice one, loved the parts about Kid and even your analysis to his choice for out fits  , can't wait to see Kid's one

With Shinichi not being able to reveal his feelings to Ran that led him to sympathize with couples in a similar situation, like Takagi and Sato, specially in 'police love story 4'.

[Nyarl]

Wow, very nice description, which actually fits his personality. ^^

That he cannot predict or even take in account feelings and emotions of girls is shown double in Halloween Party too.

He's too good at predicting the motives and actions for culprits and suspects, women included, to really say he has poor emotional perception. He reads Haibara very well, actually, remember when he saw that she wanted to leave to protect the kids after her nightmare in Another Meeting. His romance problem has a lot to do with his perfectionist ego (that part of the analysis was spot on, IMO), not because he has a hard time understanding people's feelings. Though, he does seem to have a hard time reading Ran, but like Heiji points out in Desperate Revival, Shin'ichi's not able to analyze her from an objective perspective.

[Boxcar Children]

Now that is a deep description of Kudo Shinichi. 
Thats way your such a good writer.
Soo complex and I sall myself a little in this description wow. 
I never knew in personatily wise and life story I was a little like shin (some of it reminds me how I use to be) wow.

Mabe I already knew I just never took it to thout.
First Im a perfectionist to though I dont look like one I also have “drama queenâ€

[kirite]

That he cannot predict or even take in account feelings and emotions of girls is shown double in Halloween Party too. Both Ran and Haibara risked their lives, almost completely ruining Shinichi's plans, lucky for him.

Now that you mention it, I wonder why Shinichi never confronted Haibara about risking her life during that case?  For me I thought it's because he understood why she did it and doesn't feel the need to bring it back up again.  As for Ran risking her life, he has no idea, he thought it's Akai who saved Ai.

Wow Mangaluva, you are awesome!!!!  Delicious wall-o-text which was informative and fun to read.  Can we kinda discuss some points though? (you don't have to if you don't want to <3)  I don't agree with some things.  Like how compared to Heiji and Saguru he's not exactly left brained, etc...

[mangaluva]

That he cannot predict or even take in account feelings and emotions of girls is shown double in Halloween Party too. Both Ran and Haibara risked their lives, almost completely ruining Shinichi's plans, lucky for him.

Now that you mention it, I wonder why Shinichi never confronted Haibara about risking her life during that case?  For me I thought it's because he understood why she did it and doesn't feel the need to bring it back up again.  As for Ran risking her life, he has no idea, he thought it's Akai who saved Ai.

Wow Mangaluva, you are awesome!!!!  Delicious wall-o-text which was informative and fun to read.  Can we kinda discuss some points though? (you don't have to if you don't want to <3)  I don't agree with some things.  Like how compared to Heiji and Saguru he's not exactly left brained, etc...

I'm happy to discuss psychology XDXD I think he doesn't quite understand Ai because she deliberately sets out to mess with him, and Ran because it's difficult to be objective about her- I mean, he may be a genius, but he's also a teenage boy, and there's the natural "does-she-like-me-what-if-she-doesn't-what-if-she-does" thing that dominates everybody's head for about six years of their life XDXD

[kanata09]

If anything can proof to me that Shinichi and Ran love each other (like Yoh and Anna in Shaman King ).....i may think of Shinichi x Ran and support it again.......... proof to me from all of Conan mangas/comics from the first volume till the lastest......... If the overall has no evidence to support Shinichi x Ran... then just have to wait for how Gosho ends DC......... [WARNING: No Opening,ED Animations reference as well as Movie and Anime (including Anime Originals episode)]

[mangaluva]

If anything can proof to me that Shinichi and Ran love each other (like Yoh and Anna in Shaman King ).....i may think of Shinichi x Ran and support it again.......... proof to me from all of Conan mangas/comics from the first volume till the lastest......... If the overall has no evidence to support Shinichi x Ran... then just have to wait for how Gosho ends DC......... [WARNING: No Opening,ED Animations reference as well as Movie and Anime (including Anime Originals episode)]

...did you not read the other 45 pages of this thread? We've gone over this argument like five times. Bottom line, if you don't want to see the love then you're going to find ways to explain away the evidence, but if you can see that they're in love  then nothing's going to change your mind. If you refuse to believe it because you're an AiCon fan, there's another thread for that. If you refuse to believe it because you're a KaiShin fan...

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Good on you.   

[kanata09]

@mangaluva: an AiCon fan yet can't accept ShinRan as a couple as a Conan-reader....

[mangaluva]

@kanata09: ...Conan-reader? Come again?