Why do people dislike Ran?

[Kahomi]

I used to dislike her the first days reading DC, now I don't like her but don't dislike her either. It's just personal taste, not anything special. But I admit that one thing making up that "taste" is that she cries (or tears up) too much (comparing to other characters), and another is that she's built to be just too perfect )

[DCUniverseAficionado]

But I admit that one thing making up that "taste" is that she cries (or tears up) too much (comparing to other characters)

Annoying or irritating?

and another is that she's built to be just too perfect )

Like Shinichi/Conan? She put a fist into a wall and got jealous in those early files, just like Shinichi/Conan was more arrogant before Moonlight Sonata (File 62–File 67/Episode 11) and he still was getting jealous (in a different way) as late as File 621/Episode 508. Plus, when she's talking to Shinichi, she engages him in banter and gets annoyed/irritated/angry with him, more than any other character... Kogoro also gets that side of her, as well.

[Christcc9]

Because she doesn't take the murderer out (2), because she gets amnesia (4), because she mistakes Kid for Shinichi (8, 14, 19), and because she has to be saved (9, 18 though you could probably have this complaint with most of the other ones), right?

Spoiler:

2: More because I hate when she's always thinking about Shinichi with anything (seriously she's looking at a playing card and says: "Shinichi?" GOD DAMMIT!)
In the 4th particularly because she got Sato shot (when she's holding the flashlight).
18: Yes but also for her dumbness for charging the guy (and fail)!
And that's it for the rest.

Concerning the others, I don't have anything to say 'bout them - she didn't really annoy me.

The movies have her drift between the two extremes of "Wow!" and "Really...?", then?

That's exactly what I meant. She impressed me in the 13 dodging the bullet e.g.

[DCUniverseAficionado]

Spoiler:

2: More because I hate when she's always thinking about Shinichi with anything (seriously she's looking at a playing card and says: "Shinichi?" GOD DAMMIT!)
In the 4th particularly because she got Sato shot (when she's holding the flashlight).
18: Yes but also for her dumbness for charging the guy (and fail)!
And that's it for the rest.

The card you're referring to is the ace of spades. Ace = 1. 1 in Japanese = ichi. Shinichi. Plus, that movie had a card theme in it.

Is it just because moments like that clash so much with scenes where you're really impressed by her? She should be able to save herself, you think, right? But who was going to save her, in that scene? The film's writer gave a reason for her being unable to (I'll get back to the writer(s), later), whether you think it was legitimate, or not.

She got Miwako shot? The guy would've shot, anyway—first, he was after Sato, in his motive to kill certain police officers, then he was trying to kill Ran, because she'd seen him (that was before she literally kicked—KICKED—his knife in half). He wasn't trying to shoot Ran, in the scene you're referring to. Would you have blamed any other girl her age?... and I'm going to come back to the idea of blame, when it comes to fictional characters. Also, Ran blamed herself for that—so much guilt that she got temporary amnesia. You have to have a lot of empathy and care to have that affect you that much. She blocked out her entire life.

But then she kicked the crap out of him—a former U.S. Navy SEAL. He may have had it rough, that night, already, but she just pulverized him.

Remember—characters do things because the writers want them to (whether they take what a certain observer sees as logical into account or not). You should be irritated at the writers, if anything. The writer of the second movie had her be too weak after nearly drowning, due to her saving Shinichi/Conan by giving him her air. The writer made that happen.

[Christcc9]

The card you're referring to is the ace of spades. Ace = 1. 1 in Japanese = ichi. Shinichi. Plus, that movie had a card theme in it.

I've seen the movie, you know? LoL
The way she's always thinking "Shinichi..?" for anything is over the top. I know she's in love very hard though.
She could have said "Shinichi's card?" you see? The fact that she only said "Shinichi" as if he was right in front of her, is tiring...

She got Miwako shot? The guy would've shot, anyway—first, he was after Sato, in his motive to kill certain police officers, then he was trying to kill Ran, because she'd seen him (that was before she literally kicked—KICKED—his knife in half). He wasn't trying to shoot Ran, in the scene you're referring to. Would you have blamed any other girl her age?... and I'm going to come back to the idea of blame, when it comes to fictional characters. Also, Ran blamed herself for that—so much guilt that she got temporary amnesia. You have to have a lot of empathy and care to have that affect you that much. She blocked out her entire life.

Okay she didn't get Sato shot because the culprit would have shot her anyway. My bad, let me rephrase: she has been enough stupid to take that damn flashlight and makes Miwako perceptible.
Spending time with Shinichi/Conan she should be brighter (PUN! Flashlight/brighter... nevermind).

Remember—characters do things because the writers want them to (whether they take what a certain observer sees as logical into account or not). You should be irritated at the writers, if anything. The writer of the second movie had her be too weak after nearly drowning, due to her saving Shinichi/Conan by giving him her air. The writer made that happen.

Of course all this is unreal, of course writers are behind everything, of course characters are fictional, of course this is just a manga.
But if you take it that way, this topic has no reason to exist - like a bunch on the site. I'm just giving MY reason why I don't like Ran as the OP wants, but I'm not taking it so seriously. Of course we all oughtta complain about the writer.

[DCUniverseAficionado]

The card you're referring to is the ace of spades. Ace = 1. 1 in Japanese = ichi. Shinichi. Plus, that movie had a card theme in it.

I've seen the movie, you know? LoL
The way she's always thinking "Shinichi..?" for anything is over the top. I know she's in love very hard though.
She could have said "Shinichi's card?" you see? The fact that she only said "Shinichi" as if he was right in front of her, is tiring...

So you have—now I know. I made that statement because I wasn't sure.

So it's tiring and irritating? So if she hadn't said Shinichi's name upon seeing the card, it wouldn't have exasperated you? Simply removing that line, then, is the fix for that scene?

She got Miwako shot? The guy would've shot, anyway—first, he was after Sato, in his motive to kill certain police officers, then he was trying to kill Ran, because she'd seen him (that was before she literally kicked—KICKED—his knife in half). He wasn't trying to shoot Ran, in the scene you're referring to. Would you have blamed any other girl her age?... and I'm going to come back to the idea of blame, when it comes to fictional characters. Also, Ran blamed herself for that—so much guilt that she got temporary amnesia. You have to have a lot of empathy and care to have that affect you that much. She blocked out her entire life.

Okay she didn't get Sato shot because the culprit would have shot her anyway. My bad, let me rephrase: she has been enough stupid to take that damn flashlight and makes Miwako perceptible.
Spending time with Shinichi/Conan she should be brighter (PUN! Flashlight/brighter... nevermind).

But did she know that Miwako would then be shot in the next couple moments? I don't think so. Also, Miwako interposed her body between the murderer and Ran, like the dedicated police officer who values civilian life that she is.

Remember—characters do things because the writers want them to (whether they take what a certain observer sees as logical into account or not). You should be irritated at the writers, if anything. The writer of the second movie had her be too weak after nearly drowning, due to her saving Shinichi/Conan by giving him her air. The writer made that happen.

Of course all this is unreal, of course writers are behind everything, of course characters are fictional, of course this is just a manga.
But if you take it that way, this topic has no reason to exist - like a bunch on the site. I'm just giving MY reason why I don't like Ran as the OP wants, but I'm not taking it so seriously. Of course we all oughtta complain about the writer.

This thread may be about why people dislike a character, but I wouldn't mind seeing suggestions for improvement—what the writers (movie/anime writers and Gosho) could do better with the character.

[Christcc9]

So it's tiring and irritating?

Tiring does.

So if she hadn't said Shinichi's name upon seeing the card, it wouldn't have exasperated you?

Yes.

Simply removing that line, then, is the fix for that scene?

Nope. See the end of my post for why...

But did she know that Miwako would then be shot in the next couple moments? I don't think so. Also, Miwako interposed her body between the murderer and Ran, like the dedicated police officer who values civilian life that she is.

She was aware of the case, aware police officers (or related) was the targets (I'm not sure for this one tbh, can't remember). She could have known imo - but she hasn't and that's fair enough. I am not questioning Sato attitude.

This thread may be about why people dislike a character, but I wouldn't mind seeing suggestions for improvement—what the writers (movie/anime writers and Gosho) could do better with the character.

I don't ask improvements from the writers, I like disliking Ran! Hehe
It's part of the charm of the anime I guess, I don't want her to change. I've never proposed alternations because that's not what I want. From the beginning I'm just "explaining" why she upsets me, but I've said she isn't useless and can understand why people like her.

That's why when you say: "Simply removing that line is the fix for that scene?" I say no.
If you would ask me the fix for the "Miwako shot scene" e.g., I'd answer there isn't! It's fine that way. If she hadn't found the flashlight and felt guilty, she didn't get amnesia and it wouldn't have been funny.

Plus I have a totally off-topic question for you if you'd like (sorry, it's for my english enhancement LoL): you wrote "wouldn't mind seeing", would it wrong or also correct to write "wouldn't mind to see"?

[DCUniverseAficionado]

But did she know that Miwako would then be shot in the next couple moments? I don't think so. Also, Miwako interposed her body between the murderer and Ran, like the dedicated police officer who values civilian life that she is.

She was aware of the case, aware police officers (or related) was the targets (I'm not sure for this one tbh, can't remember). She could have known imo - but she hasn't and that's fair enough. I am not questioning Sato attitude.

Didn't say you were.

I just watched it—Ran picked up the flashlight, due to the blackout, the murderer walked in, Ran didn't see him until he'd fired the first shot.

This thread may be about why people dislike a character, but I wouldn't mind seeing suggestions for improvement—what the writers (movie/anime writers and Gosho) could do better with the character.

I don't ask improvements from the writers, I like disliking Ran! Hehe
It's part of the charm of the anime I guess, I don't want her to change. I've never proposed alternations because that's not what I want. From the beginning I'm just "explaining" why she upsets me, but I've said she isn't useless and can understand why people like her.

If you would ask me the fix for the "Miwako shot scene" e.g., I'd answer there isn't! It's fine that way. If she hadn't found the flashlight and felt guilty, she didn't get amnesia and it wouldn't have been funny.

Plus I have a totally off-topic question for you if you'd like (sorry, it's for my english enhancement LoL): you wrote "wouldn't mind seeing", would it wrong or also correct to write "wouldn't mind to see"?

So you want to be annoyed/exasperated by her? Suit yourself, but do you want the other characters to remain the same, as well?

Funny? You mean the way she acts while she's an amnesiac?

I've never used the infinitive (to *verb*) in that way—ing is the better choice.

[Christcc9]

I've never used the infinitive (to *verb*) in that way—ing is the better choice.

Okay thank you!

So you want to be annoyed/exasperated by her?

It's more that I got used to that/her personality.

Suit yourself, but do you want the other characters to remain the same, as well?

I'd say yes for the ones who are known as long as Ran, i.e. from the beginning.

Funny? You mean the way she acts while she's an amnesiac?

LoL I meant "interesting"

[Antiyonder]

Anyway, we've talked about it before, especially when debating on whether or not Shinichi rightfully fears that Ran will blurt out the truth and doom them all.

But would she really? At the risk of suggesting so, all suspicion arcs tended to have her slipping up at some point enough that Shinichi and company get wise to her and come up with a plan to throw her suspicion off.

The Desperate Revival was no different as Ran panicked at the idea of bathing with a child (which I believe in Japan may still be considered okay as long as it's a parent or guardian), and only confirming that she's onto him when offering to give her blood.

But, lets really look at that particular arc. Ran didn't just come up with the suspicion as she did in the past and the following arc which had Conan getting another cellphone. She's been holding onto that knowledge for quite some time in DR, a fact which Conan realizes when resting in the hospital. Yes, she actually was able to still keep her suspicions on the low to the point where up until the aforementioned scenes, Conan had no idea that she was holding onto this knowledge.

And if the manga is truly leading to a final suspicion arc where the end result is different and Ran has once again been holding onto this suspicion even as far back after the Shiragami story, then it means that she once again is keeping observation without Conan being alarmed or aware of the possible fact.

[DCUniverseAficionado]

Anyway, we've talked about it before, especially when debating on whether or not Shinichi rightfully fears that Ran will blurt out the truth and doom them all.

But would she really? At the risk of suggesting so, all suspicion arcs tended to have her slipping up at some point enough that Shinichi and company get wise to her and come up with a plan to throw her suspicion off.

The Desperate Revival was no different as Ran panicked at the idea of bathing with a child (which I believe in Japan may still be considered okay as long as it's a parent or guardian), and only confirming that she's onto him when offering to give her blood.

But, lets really look at that particular arc. Ran didn't just come up with the suspicion as she did in the past and the following arc which had Conan getting another cellphone. She's been holding onto that knowledge for quite some time in DR, a fact which Conan realizes when resting in the hospital. Yes, she actually was able to still keep her suspicions on the low to the point where up until the aforementioned scenes, Conan had no idea that she was holding onto this knowledge.

I agree that Shinichi/Conan has been too fearful about that—he and the others in the know have also made potentially dangerous slips, as well.

He was just confused by Ran's words on the cruise liner (File 225–File 230/Episode 174), and only noticed all the hints that we, the readers had been shown, upon reflection.

And if the manga is truly leading to a final suspicion arc where the end result is different and Ran has once again been holding onto this suspicion even as far back after the Shiragami story, then it means that she once again is keeping observation without Conan being alarmed or aware of the possible fact.

Gosho's dropped many hints about her suspicions since the Bourbon arc started—it's really only a matter of time until he really confirms that she is suspicious, once we reach the story that initiates her fourth (and hopefully final) suspicion story.

[Jeetkunedo]

People are jealous. Ran is never given anything to do, whereas Sera and Ai are running around doing things. Ran is the Flower of Japanese Womanhood!

[DCUniverseAficionado]

whereas Sera and Ai are running around doing things

Shiho/Ai has pretty much been sidelined, plot-wise, since the Vermouth arc (just like Ran, actually), and Masumi hasn't really done anything but bring about a whole bunch of questions about that family of hers.

[Knighthart]

I've just finished rereading the whole manga, movie 18, 19 and 2 worst day OVA so this is my first post here after long time .

I must say though I'm beginning to dislike how they treat Ran with her constant 'Shinichi...' monologue. The worst part is in the special episode where they made Ran irrationally angry because of 'Shinichi's' weird message which resulted in her being angry until next day morning. They didn't even show anything that hints about her suspecting what's happening to Shinichi and his connection to Conan. Don't get me start with the kid movie either lol. That thing was weird as hype with how 'Shinichi' disappeared from the plane and stuffs but everyone never really suspect that he's not Shinichi after the plane bombing scene.

Personally I feel like she's a pretty strong girl mentally but she never really gets a chance to really shine like when she protected Haibara from Vermouth again, and that's what really grates me.

[kkslider5552000]

I've honestly had many different thoughts since I wrote this but the prevailing one right now is that this isn't annoying because the female lead is being written poorly (well...ok that is annoying...but still!). It's annoying because there are quite a number of ways to improve things. And the only one Gosho has done is to slightly downplay the ShinRan stuff. "Nope, no problem here! Um...look! Ran said a thing an actual interesting character would say again!"

Which is undoubtedly an improvement.

That being said, I feel increasingly uninterested (and slightly uncomfortable) criticizing Gosho's writing because I have no idea how any writer wouldn't fail at something writing as much as he is, doing the genre he's been doing for as long as he has done it with the schedule mangaka tend to have. In retrospect, it isn't surprising Gosho's writing eventually had such issues, it's surprising it took as long as it to decline as slowly as it did.