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ranger wrote: I'm fine with Ai being with anyone else...Conan of course, even Hattori, Akai....godamn Hakuba, but NOT MITSUHIKO!!!! (no genta too.)
What's with the hate against Mitsuhiko (and Genta)? At least she is interacting with those two so we have an idea how a future relationship might look like. The other ones you mentioned (sans Conan)... why do you only take people who never interacted with her in a meaningful way? :-\
It sounds like "I don't care who Ai ends up with" and "I don't like the Detective Boys Kids".
If Gosho even tries to pull this off, he's going to expect a crapload of angry fans at his doorstep.


Sure? Not good if the fans try to dominate what a manga develops like against the intentions of the mangaka. If you like his work then accept his ideas and let him show you what he had in mind when he decided on a turn of events that you didn't like.
Beside... is there really any way for him to avoid disappointing some of his fans which took a liking in a pairing that he can/will not support? There is only one Shinichi/Conan... he can't possibly support the 5+ different pairings involving him just because their supporters threaten to start a riot he takes the pairing they don't like.
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Horrible pairing, it isn't cute or interesting at all.  Ai would never ever do that.

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ranger wrote: I'm fine with Ai being with anyone else...Conan of course, even Hattori, Akai....godamn Hakuba, but NOT MITSUHIKO!!!! (no genta too.)
What's with the hate against Mitsuhiko (and Genta)? At least she is interacting with those two so we have an idea how a future relationship might look like. The other ones you mentioned (sans Conan)... why do you only take people who never interacted with her in a meaningful way? :-\
It sounds like "I don't care who Ai ends up with" and "I don't like the Detective Boys Kids".
If Gosho even tries to pull this off, he's going to expect a crapload of angry fans at his doorstep.


Sure? Not good if the fans try to dominate what a manga develops like against the intentions of the mangaka. If you like his work then accept his ideas and let him show you what he had in mind when he decided on a turn of events that you didn't like.
Beside... is there really any way for him to avoid disappointing some of his fans which took a liking in a pairing that he can/will not support? There is only one Shinichi/Conan... he can't possibly support the 5+ different pairings involving him just because their supporters threaten to start a riot he takes the pairing they don't like.
Akai is intertwined with her in a meaningful way!  We don't know the logistics, but
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he was apparently quite close with her, in order to get higher up in the BO
As with Hattori, I listed his name because I actually think they have an interesting dynamic (in the Desperate Revival Arc).  It's quite funny how Ai keeps calling Hattori an idiot on the phone lol.

But honestly, it's just my own preference.  Seeing haibara with someone so much younger/ much more childish than her just doesn't mesh well.  I mean come on!!!!  How can haibara have the hots for a 7 year old?!  I don't think its cute at all.  Mitsuhiko is a smart kid, but Ai falling for him is ridiculous.  They have almost no common ground.  And you dare question why there is so much hate for Genta? ...

Regarding the "do not interfere with Gosho's divine plan" principality you're talking about, I'm pretty sure the fanbase is whats keeping Gosho his job.  So, I think it is quite good that the fans should have some sort of say in the manga development.  It's like in the end if Shinichi doesn't end up with Ran, you think he'd betray all the RanxShinichi fans?  Despite the numerous people who do not agree that pairing, there is a shit load that do.

As for the MitsuhikoxAi, I can assure you that the amount of people that don't like this couple far outnumber the people who do.  Of course he's not going to be able to satisfy all the fans on what pairings he choses, but god, if he chooses MitsuhikoxAi, there will be like 200 happy fans in the world, with a million angry ones with pitchforks.  His goal is to satisfy the greatest amount of fans which equals money  = new jacuzzi and Rolls Royce.
KaitoKid0 wrote: Horrible pairing, it isn't cute or interesting at all.  Ai would never ever do that.

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You would think that people wouldn't become so serious and hostile towards each other about a pair in an anime, but reality prooves you wrong.

Isn't all the talk about "If Gosho does this in the end, an angry mob with torches and pitchforks will be waiting for him near the door" is tiresome already? The most that fans can do is to send him hate mails and I think he get those already.
So if Conan will end up with Haibara, please explain to me exactly what can Ran fans do? They can become upset and angry (Some will summon satan and ask him to kill Gosho as far as what fans may want to do.) but besides, what?
Gosho can react to the anger and say "They were meant for each other." or he can say "How couldn't you see that coming." or he could even say "Suck it. That's what I decided to do."
So what if fans will be angry? it's already after he finished the manga and people bought it. He doesn't owe anything to anyone. He kept with the story for years and fans have no right to complain. There are far greater issues or worse things than "Character A ended up with character C instead with character B."
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Akai did that? I thought that was only with her sister... But again, that is not what I would call a good basis of a relationship.
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I doubt that Ai will ever forgive him exploiting her sister - and in some kind leading to her doom (even if he tried saving her). Or if Akai will ever forgive himself. If he is still alive.
Heiji and Haibara during the desperate revivial? Did they really talk to each other? I mean, beside when Heiji thought she was Conan.
Ai calls everyone stupid. Conan, Heiji, Mitsuhiko, Genta, adults... except maybe Agasa. Well, maybe that is just me who doesn't find that funny.

She doesn't have to have the hots for 7year old Mitsuhiko. She likes him, likes all the detective boys. As I said they would need time (which is frozen in DC) to develop their friendship into "love". He is inteligent, just lacking experience/wisdom. And no matter what Ai does, Mitsuhiko will catch up to her in that field very fast in the next years.
Right now Mitsuhiko x Ai is just friendship with the chance to develop into more. And I think they have quite a lot in common concerning their interests and values.
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As for the MitsuhikoxAi, I can assure you that the amount of people that don't like this couple far outnumber the people who do.
I doubt that. This forum/thread does not equal the majority of the readers, even if there are more people who expressed their dislike to the pairing so far. But even in this thread the number of supporters and people who do not agree to Ai x Mitsuhiko is far away from your fictional "200 VS 1Million" numbers.
No, the majority of readers does probably not care. They are okay if Ai ends with Mitsuhiko or someone else. Or noone.

It only matters if you like one of the charaters and dislike the other one or if the pairing contradicts your favorite pairing you care about.
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ranger wrote: Regarding the "do not interfere with Gosho's divine plan" principality you're talking about, I'm pretty sure the fanbase is whats keeping Gosho his job.  So, I think it is quite good that the fans should have some sort of say in the manga development.  It's like in the end if Shinichi doesn't end up with Ran, you think he'd betray all the RanxShinichi fans?  Despite the numerous people who do not agree that pairing, there is a shit load that do.
Fans are not professional mangakas.  And if they are then they should be working on their own story instead of mailing Gosho about his own.  

Can you imagine fans having a say in the manga development?  Well actually I wouldn't complain because there will be KaiShin scenes...and only KaiShin scenes (and their son will be named Arsene)!  It's like how all the fangirls wanted JK Rowling to make Draco Malfoy a good guy because he's like OMG HE'S SO KAWAII IN THIS FANFICTION I JUST READ!!1!  To her credit she did the opposite and the rest of us readers thank her for it.

To put it as mildly as possible:

"Fans are clingy complaining dipshits who will never ever be grateful for any concession you make.  The moment you shut out their shrill, tremulous voices the happier you will be for it."  - Yahtzee

To be fair there are anime series that are made just to please fans.  They're usually the series with heavy fanservice, 2D characters, and prettyful shiney anime CG.  Doujinshi is also usually drawn to please the fans (by fans this time) and it's why 99% of them are exactly the same.

Anyways to make this back on topic...

Don't forget that 321 (March 21st) is Mitsuhiko/Ai day!
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Schillok wrote: Akai did that? I thought that was only with her sister... But again, that is not what I would call a good basis of a relationship.
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I doubt that Ai will ever forgive him exploiting her sister - and in some kind leading to her doom (even if he tried saving her). Or if Akai will ever forgive himself. If he is still alive.
Heiji and Haibara during the desperate revivial? Did they really talk to each other? I mean, beside when Heiji thought she was Conan.
Ai calls everyone stupid. Conan, Heiji, Mitsuhiko, Genta, adults... except maybe Agasa. Well, maybe that is just me who doesn't find that funny.

She doesn't have to have the hots for 7year old Mitsuhiko. She likes him, likes all the detective boys. As I said they would need time (which is frozen in DC) to develop their friendship into "love". He is inteligent, just lacking experience/wisdom. And no matter what Ai does, Mitsuhiko will catch up to her in that field very fast in the next years.
Right now Mitsuhiko x Ai is just friendship with the chance to develop into more. And I think they have quite a lot in common concerning their interests and values.
You are giving Mitsuhiko way too much credit here. Ai is around Conan level in intelligence/complexity and it has already been shown that Conan was tackling harder issues that Mitsuhiko has ever comes across without Conan. Also, Shiho was a prodigy for the B.O. from a young age which is why the gave her the works in education and finally let her take over her parents research at a young age. The best that can be expected from Mitsuhiko would be intelligent but no where genius level that Conan and Ai exhibit..and it would be unfair to expect that from him.

And who's to say Mitsuhiko would like a relationship with Haibara? All he's seen is her "nice side" because Haibara's aware she's dealing with children, so that's the side she shows them. He hasn't seen her cold sarcasm side, her evil side, or her "shell" side she periodically goes into, only Conan has. Mitsuhiko might not like none of that, espicially when they are pointed at him.
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kirite wrote:
ranger wrote: Regarding the "do not interfere with Gosho's divine plan" principality you're talking about, I'm pretty sure the fanbase is whats keeping Gosho his job.  So, I think it is quite good that the fans should have some sort of say in the manga development.  It's like in the end if Shinichi doesn't end up with Ran, you think he'd betray all the RanxShinichi fans?  Despite the numerous people who do not agree that pairing, there is a shit load that do.
Fans are not professional mangakas.  And if they are then they should be working on their own story instead of mailing Gosho about his own. 

Can you imagine fans having a say in the manga development?  Well actually I wouldn't complain because there will be KaiShin scenes...and only KaiShin scenes (and their son will be named Arsene)!  It's like how all the fangirls wanted JK Rowling to make Draco Malfoy a good guy because he's like OMG HE'S SO KAWAII IN THIS FANFICTION I JUST READ!!1!  To her credit she did the opposite and the rest of us readers thank her for it.

To put it as mildly as possible:

"Fans are clingy complaining dipshits who will never ever be grateful for any concession you make.  The moment you shut out their shrill, tremulous voices the happier you will be for it."  - Yahtzee

To be fair there are anime series that are made just to please fans.  They're usually the series with heavy fanservice, 2D characters, and prettyful shiney anime CG.  Doujinshi is also usually drawn to please the fans (by fans this time) and it's why 99% of them are exactly the same.

Anyways to make this back on topic...

Don't forget that 321 (March 21st) is Mitsuhiko/Ai day!
I agree... Authors should create the story as a story, not to please fans....

Yikes, I won't be here that day, not even in spirit, just to show how wrong is this pair.... >:(
She doesn't have to have the hots for 7year old Mitsuhiko. She likes him, likes all the detective boys. As I said they would need time (which is frozen in DC) to develop their friendship into "love". He is inteligent, just lacking experience/wisdom. And no matter what Ai does, Mitsuhiko will catch up to her in that field very fast in the next years.
Right now Mitsuhiko x Ai is just friendship with the chance to develop into more. And I think they have quite a lot in common concerning their interests and values.
Okay... Mitsubishi, I mean Mitsuhiko sounded like a genius.... For a kid, sure he's smart, but really Haibara Ai A.k.A. Shiho is a scientist who developed drugs (magical ones at that) at the age of 18..... unless Mitsuhiko is a super genius.... he can't really catch up to someone who is more than twice his age and smarter than even her own peers.

Not to mention the age difference (No seriously, Haibara is Shiho on the inside... she knows she's 18.... and knows that she's looking after KIDS not Peers)


EDIT: I wanna pimp this

http://moet.anizone.net/index.php?Phase=VoteStage *Scroll down and there's English selection for Language* Vote for Ai ^_^ (She's the only DC character left I think)
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Authers owe nothing to the fans - Fans owe everything to the auther.
The auther writes in order to give and pass his ideas and story and not what the fans want. If the fans think that Gosho is writing the manga in order to satisfy a certain group of fans, they are wrong. So what if fans will be angry? Did it matter when there were 8 episodes of Endless Eight? Did it matter to the warner bros when they delayed the release of the sixth movie of Harry Potter? Should it matter to Gosho after he will end DC? NO!
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kirite wrote: "Fans are clingy complaining dipshits who will never ever be grateful for any concession you make.  The moment you shut out their shrill, tremulous voices the happier you will be for it."  - Yahtzee
I stopped caring about Yahtzee's opinion after he complained about Hideo Kojima's writing abilities yet made a story as god awful as 6 Days a Sacrifice.
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He is inteligent, just lacking experience/wisdom. And no matter what Ai does, Mitsuhiko will catch up to her in that field very fast in the next years.
Ahh... I guess I was not accurate enough when I wrote this. I didn't mean he was more inteligent than Conan or Haibara. Hardly anyone is. And there are lots of inteligent people in the DC-universe.
What I mean is that he will mature faster than Ai can in the next years. So in terms of maturity - he will catch up to her. Not in Biochemistry, Drug Design and Biocomputation. [Except if he finds interest in this fields.  :P But even then his knowledge will be far behind Haibara.]

And the more he catches up (in terms of maturity) the less the psychical age difference will matter. And it does not matter how much Shiho feels like 18, or 23 or how old she really might be: Her body is that of a 7 year old girl. She has to wait anyway.
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I think people are looking at this pair from the wrong point of view. Everyone is thinking "she can't be with a seven years old kid." But the thing is, that children don't fall in love with each other. The only way that I may look at this pair is if Haibara stays as a child (of course) and while both of them are in high school then something starts to develop. Then the excuse of "he is too young for her" doesn't work because he matured. Haibara won't become older in mind than what she has been before. If anything, she will become maybe more childish, playful or happy because she has gone through the normal childhood.
So if Mitsuhiko grows up a bit, what would be the true reason for this pair to not work? You can't say "Mitsuhiko's personality doesn't fit Haibara" because you can never tell what his personality would be like when he is a high schooler.
Also, people are saying "Gosho won't make that pair." because they are both kids. But there is no reason from the start to make that pair. Because you can't pair up kids. If he makes a jump to the future of like ten years in the end of DC then he may make them be together.
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It might happen. :D
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Abs. wrote: I'm getting more and more convinced that Haibara/Sherry/Miyano Shiho will either have to die off in the end, or disappear forever.

She can't have a real relationship with any of the kids in her kid form (too unnatural - also, think about all the lies and secrets), and if she returned to her adult form, she would probably have to be prosecuted for her involvement with the organization (unless the organization ceases to exist, leaving no traces behind that could link her to anything illegal *ahem* making poisons that have killed.. how many people already?)
You mean she developed a drug, and someone used it kill lots of people, there fore she should be held responsible for what happened? Lots of medicinal chemist will be convicted if that's how the court rule....
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