Why do people dislike Ran?

[DCUniverseAficionado]

Here's a comment I posted on the Detective Conan – The Red Thread Facebook Page:

She (Ran) has cried in File 1 (Case Aftermath), File 9 (Shinichi), File 16 (Case Aftermath), File 48 (Shinichi), File 71 (Shinichi), File 95 (Shinichi), File 143 (Case Aftermath), File 260 (Shinichi), File 334 (Shinichi), File 353/File 354 (Flashback – Case Aftermath), File 379/File 380 (Shinichi), File 428 (Shinichi), File 482 (Shinichi/Case Aftermath), File 650/File 651 (Shinichi), File 727 (Shinichi), File 745/File 752 (Shinichi), File 884 (Flashback – Shinichi) File 921/File 922/File 923/File 924 (Flashback – Frustration/Case Aftermath/Shinichi).

Thats a total of 18 times—in a total 25 Files—12 times exclusively due to Shinichi, 4 times exclusively due to the aftermath of a case, 1 time due to Shinichi and the aftermath of a case, and 1 time when the aftermath of a case, Shinichi, and simple frustration all happened across 4 files... I don't think I missed any, but I could be wrong about that. She cried in 6 of the 130 Files before her second suspicion arc began, cried only once during her second suspicion arc, cried 5 times between her second and third suspicion arcs, cried during her third, just one case-long, suspicion arc, and has cried 5 times since the last suspicion arc. In all, she's cried in 18 of the 268 cases, and 25 of the 929 Files—so the claim that she cries all the time, or cries every time Shinichi comes up, doesn't really have merit.

Even if you cite Shuichi's quote from File 380, "You're always crying.", that's going by his personal experience of meeting her twice, including right then. Also, I'd say her reaction of, "Is it wrong?", and Shuichi's and Shinichi's admittance (File 924) that it's okay to do so, matter more than the claim that she's always crying, even when such a claim is incorrect.

Feel free to add any more examples of her crying that I missed, because odds are that I might've missed an instance or two.

[Nemomon]

We aren't saying that she's crying all the time, because we then would be saying that she's just crying and doing nothing else .

But You must admit that compared to the other characters in the DC she's a crybaby, and she cries for most of times without really having a solid reason to cry.

[DCUniverseAficionado]

You must admit that compared to the other characters in the DC she's a crybaby, and she cries for most of times without really having a solid reason to cry.

What's your point? That this makes her worthy of being disliked? That she's not embarrassed to cry, and that she can easier than others? The old assumption is, all she does is cry for Shinichi, since he's gone. She hasn't really cried in such a fashion since File 379/380, as well as the Valentine's Day (File 334) and White Day (File 727) cases. She may have cried a lot, in terms of Shinichi being gone, in the first 100 files (and even then, it was only in 6 of those 100 files/6 cases out of 25 cases), but after that, she's cried mainly in flashbacks (Files 353/354, File 884, Files 921–924), and during an actual meeting with Shinichi after he took a prototype antidote (Files 257–260, File 651, File 745/File 752).

Both Shinichi and Shuichi don't think it's wrong for her to do so—I think the point of the scene in File 380 was the fact that it's not wrong to cry.

[usotsuki]

Didn't he say that because he thought she was Akemi at first, or something?

[DCUniverseAficionado]

Didn't he say that because he thought she was Akemi at first, or something?

"You remind me of a woman... a stupid woman that was always crying in the dark, while trying to sound casual." (Translation is from old manga scan, so beware)

I'm saying that, besides revealing to Shinichi/Conan that she'd met Shuichi before, during the Golden Apple Case, and hinting that Akemi and Shuichi were connected (At the time, of course, the latter possibility must've only been theorized by a few), the scene illustrated that Shuichi didn't think that it was wrong for Ran to be crying. He may have referred to Akemi as "stupid," but this indicates his guilt over her death, and anger that he couldn't save her. He wasn't insulting her or Ran.

Shinichi, too, when first meeting Ran, called her a crybaby (Personally, I think he was trying to be cool, saw she was crying, and used "crybaby;" after that, he'd sometimes call her an idiot—Ba'rou, which is Gosho's favorite saying, and, thus, Shinichi uses it, as well. He probably would've called her "Ba'rou" if she wasn't crying), but, by the end of the case, said he wouldn't call her that, again. He was pretty much saying that it wasn't a problem, in his eyes, if she cried, and to not hold her tears back, if she felt like letting them fall.

[usotsuki]

Viz: "I was just thinking...you remind me of a woman I know. A stupid woman...who put up a tough front but cried behind my back."

[Kudo Shinchi]

Didn't he say that because he thought she was Akemi at first, or something?

"You remind me of a woman... a stupid woman that was always crying in the dark, while trying to sound casual." (Translation is from old manga scan, so beware)

I'm saying that, besides revealing to Shinichi/Conan that she'd met Shuichi before, during the Golden Apple Case, and hinting that Akemi and Shuichi were connected (At the time, of course, the latter possibility must've only been theorized by a few), the scene illustrated that Shuichi didn't think that it was wrong for Ran to be crying. He may have referred to Akemi as "stupid," but this indicates his guilt over her death, and anger that he couldn't save her. He wasn't insulting her or Ran.

Shinichi, too, when first meeting Ran, called her a crybaby (Personally, I think he was trying to be cool, saw she was crying, and used "crybaby;" after that, he'd sometimes call her an idiot—Ba'rou, which is Gosho's favorite saying, and, thus, Shinichi uses it, as well. He probably would've called her "Ba'rou" if she wasn't crying), but, by the end of the case, said he wouldn't call her that, again. He was pretty much saying that it wasn't a problem, in his eyes, if she cried, and to not hold her tears back, if she felt like letting them fall.

I think a lot of people miss that DC's narrative views Ran's tears as perfectly acceptable and in fact as an example of her resilience and mental fortitude. Physically, Ran is a beast; she takes down culprits left and right without breaking a sweat and by any standard her martial arts skills are impressive. However, the whole point of that emphasis is that it's not Ran's karate that makes her strong; it's her emotional strength, her ability to pull through difficult situations, her ability to always rebound. Ran's crying, rather than being an expression of weakness and fragility as is often the conventional view, is an expression of her strength and compassion, the very traits that make her such an admirable person. This theme is alluded to when to when Haibara tells Conan at one point (don't remember the episode/chapter) that Ran "is stronger" than he thinks, a statement that Conan immediately and incorrectly assumes to be a reference to her martial arts, when in reality it was to Ran's heroic actions during the Vermouth arc's climax.

[usotsuki]

Ep.401

[irishock]

I've liked Ran from the very beginning, I just don't like Ran/Shinichi at all. The Ran/Conan dynamic is a ton more interesting

Damn, I'd love for Conan to never capture the true APTX antidote and they get together at the end with Conan always being 10 years younger than Ran.

[Wakarimashita]

I've liked Ran from the very beginning, I just don't like Ran/Shinichi at all. The Ran/Conan dynamic is a ton more interesting

Damn, I'd love for Conan to never capture the true APTX antidote and they get together at the end with Conan always being 10 years younger than Ran.

That would mean Ran would have to wait about a decade for him to be old enough (basically 18 and 28). I would hate for the moral of the story to be that she loves him so much she's willing to throw 10 years away like that.

[Nemomon]

I've liked Ran from the very beginning, I just don't like Ran/Shinichi at all. The Ran/Conan dynamic is a ton more interesting

Damn, I'd love for Conan to never capture the true APTX antidote and they get together at the end with Conan always being 10 years younger than Ran.

That would mean Ran would have to wait about a decade for him to be old enough (basically 18 and 28). I would hate for the moral of the story to be that she loves him so much she's willing to throw 10 years away like that.

I think it depends on when Ran would find out that Shinichi shrank. If I knew that quite soon, personally I would wait. It is not that they will be separated for that 10 years - they will be together, probably even living together (considering that they're living even right now). That 10 years they would wait, they would wait only for a paper of mariage and ceremony. Until then, they would live like a normal marriage but without an official ceremony. In fact I think both parties parents (Eri and Kogoro + Yukiko and Yusaku) would not mind waiting for the ceremony too, would allow them be together, would help them financially until Shinichi will be old enough to be able to get a job, and probably they would even help them raising their child if Ran wouldn't want to wait until she's 30 for one.

[Christcc9]

OMG she annoyed me so much in the last movie (19) I just finished watching.

[DCUniverseAficionado]

OMG she annoyed me so much in the last movie (19) I just finished watching.

What other movies did she annoy you in?

[Christcc9]

OMG she annoyed me so much in the last movie (19) I just finished watching.

What other movies did she annoy you in?

LoL that question makes me laugh because movies are where she is the worst to me:
in the 2nd, the 4th (in this one...), 8th, 9th, 14th and the 18th.

In fact, you made me realize that I dislike her especially in the films. And not really in the anime tbh.
And I admit she impressed me in some other movies.

[DCUniverseAficionado]

in the 2nd, the 4th (in this one...), 8th, 9th, 14th and the 18th.

Because she doesn't take the murderer out (2), because she gets amnesia (4), because she mistakes Kid for Shinichi (8, 14, 19), and because she has to be saved (9, 18 though you could probably have this complaint with most of the other ones), right?

And the movies you didn't mention, here (1, 3, 5, 6, 7, 10, 11, 12, 13, 15, 16, 17)?

In fact, you made me realize that I dislike her especially in the films. I admit she impressed me in some other movies.

The movies have her drift between the two extremes of "Wow!" and "Really...?", then?