Ran's role changed? Other's too?

[kat1214young]

The problems with movie 10 were endless--poor writing, poor pacing, poor production design, etc etc etc... None of which were Gosho's fault. Blame the terribleness of that movie on the film production team (I like to blame the director, myself), as they're the ones who made it from start to finish--and the ones who insisted on putting in a lot of unnecessary characters that couldn't produce a coherent storyline together if they tried. Gosho likely only signed off on it once for the contract, and that was that.

Even if they inserted characters that didn't fit, I think they just included all DC characters to celebrate the 10th movie
but in doing so, the story ended up not being that good 

[ccppfan]

Right now, Ran's not as important as she used to be. Don't you think Ai's moved up A LOT?? She was practically just a minor character back when she first came in, but look at her now! Shinichi's second love intrest! XDD lol I was joking. Ran's just so-so in the storyline and she's gotten a lot weaker. WHERE DID ALL THAT KARATE GO????? DID YOU LOSE IT WHILE SLIDING DOWN A MOUNTAIN OR SOMETHING?!?!?!  I demand a Ran-kick-butt-storyline RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!

[Misztina]

WHERE DID ALL THAT KARATE GO????? DID YOU LOSE IT WHILE SLIDING DOWN A MOUNTAIN OR SOMETHING?!?!?! 

XD Perhaps the image of sliding down the mountainis symbolic.

[kkslider5552000]

Right now, Ran's not as important as she used to be. Don't you think Ai's moved up A LOT?? She was practically just a minor character back when she first came in, but look at her now!

considering how her appearance was the first real plot twist in the show (that doesn't involve minor characters) since episode 1 (well ok there was Shinichi returning in the first Heiji case) and the fact that a decent amount of shonen fans watching it would have stopped had she not appeared (or if nothing at least as shocking and interesting as Haibara's true identity being revealed had happened), it's pretty obvious why.

[Nyarl]

Right now, Ran's not as important as she used to be. Don't you think Ai's moved up A LOT?? She was practically just a minor character back when she first came in, but look at her now! Shinichi's second love intrest!

I don't really see a big difference. She'll often say things that Conan would have to say in stories she's not in, but that's always been true. Otherwise she's used about as often as Ran, and frankly about as poorly nowadays. Not as much Conan ego cutting wit as I'd like to see, and she's way too passive recently if she really believes her Org. sense (I'd expect her to at least plant a bug or something, or threaten to leave despite not wanting to "run away").

As much as I've whined about Ran {Lupin special spoiler}

Spoiler:

standing around at the end fight, she was at least there hogging screen-time, not even counting her doppleganger. Haibara didn't even appear... Woulda been fun if they could have worked her in with Fujiko somehow...

[haibarakudo]

I think Ran will be captured by the BO and by a drug she will become evil too and will try to kill shinichi but he will save her LOL XD

I don't really think that will happen...

[Nyarl]

The Ran bashing threads remind me of another reason I think Aoyama is going to kill her off. Her story as a character is pretty much completed by a confession of love. We see she takes her studies and hobby seriously, but not what she really plans to do with her life outside of being Shin'ichi's girl. The only career she's shown even a fleeting interest in pursuing* in the manga was action movie actress, and that never got any follow up. Even her desire to get her parents back together has been shown to be counterproductive in the last few Eri stories, it's not really a goal she can claim for herself, it's something she ultimately has to leave for them to settle. So, apart from confessing her true love (easily accomplished with her dying breath) there's really nothing else we've been shown for her to strive for.

On the other hand, reading how Aoyama made Sayaka important to the plot in Yaiba reminds me of an old idea I had about how Ran might be biologically important to APTX research, if not the source of a cure. (It's mainly based on the fate of Sharon's handkerchief and whether that last conversation about it was merely for color and characterization, or a hint it's role as a plot device wasn't really over. It also tries to explain why Haibara avoids Ran apart from the too-easy jealousy explanation, and, of course, Vermouth's interest in Teitan High.)

* Homemaker/child rearer is a valid life's goal IMO. For men, too. But, we haven't really seen that's her life goal either, just that she has had a lot of practice taking care of a drunk deadbeat.

[James Rye]

The Ran bashing threads remind me of another reason I think Aoyama is going to kill her off. Her story as a character is pretty much completed by a confession of love. We see she takes her studies and hobby seriously, but not what she really plans to do with her life outside of being Shin'ichi's girl. The only career she's shown even a fleeting interest in pursuing* in the manga was action movie actress, and that never got any follow up. Even her desire to get her parents back together has been shown to be counterproductive in the last few Eri stories, it's not really a goal she can claim for herself, it's something she ultimately has to leave for them to settle. So, apart from confessing her true love (easily accomplished with her dying breath) there's really nothing else we've been shown for her to strive for.

On the other hand, reading how Aoyama made Sayaka important to the plot in Yaiba reminds me of an old idea I had about how Ran might be biologically important to APTX research, if not the source of a cure. (It's mainly based on the fate of Sharon's handkerchief and whether that last conversation about it was merely for color and characterization, or a hint it's role as a plot device wasn't really over. It also tries to explain why Haibara avoids Ran apart from the too-easy jealousy explanation, and, of course, Vermouth's interest in Teitan High.)

* Homemaker/child rearer is a valid life's goal IMO. For men, too. But, we haven't really seen that's her life goal either, just that she has had a lot of practice taking care of a drunk deadbeat.

Nah, i don´t think that Gosho will "kill" Ran, i mean almost everyone is sure that Akai is still alive too and it would be weird when she would die just like that without knowing whats really going on. Thought it would be highly interesting to see Conans/Shinichis reaction when that happen and his guilt that he didn´t told her anything, his hatred and so on.^^

The real problem lies in there that i agree with your other points. In the first chapter it was cristal-clear that both love each other just like the typical childhood freinds will be later lovers story. But after chapter 3 with her out of the blue confession (and Shinichis madly grinning) i already didn´t give a damn about this couple anymore. Maybe it´s cause i want to be surprised or to be unsure what will happen, but Rans confession killed the "thrill" in their relationship.

We also don´t have a glue about her likes and dislikes like what color is her favorite or what animal she likes or what she will do later as a job. I know those points aren´t important at all, but to know them, to read them in the manga gives you a feeling like this chara is more "real". Kinda hard to explain.^^"

I didn´t read Yaiba (maybe i should^g^) so i don´t really get this thing with Sayaka and Ran, but i´m a bit unsure abut a "biologically role" for Ran in part of the APTX counter part. It just doesn´t sem to fit her and then their would be that xxl-long explanation and such things.^^

I guess we can be sure, that Gosho already have figured out how Ran´s role will be in the future chapters and in the finale.

[bluekaitou1412]

Should I post my opinions, too?
Hmmmm... I think not. Or maybe later.

[James Rye]

Should I post my opinions, too?
Hmmmm... I think not. Or maybe later.

Hope you gonna share your thoughts with us.

First she was Shinichis big love, now she is a bitch, who stole Shiho her guy.

Your other jokes were better...

[kirite]

Should I post my opinions, too?
Hmmmm... I think not. Or maybe later.

*chants* Post it post it post it....

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I think everyone's character is changing, they're gradually losing personality (yes even Haibara).  As to Ran it will be a wtf move for Gosho to suddenly shove her in a B.O. arc by poisoning her/making her knowledgable/making her a B.O. relative or some horrible Sue thing etc... Not to say she wasn't in danger before (lots of times) but it was never something she knew about.  Ran's motivation for everything is that she wants to protect everyone.  If she is to be involved I'll say she gets involved protecting x person from y without knowing anything about x and y.  Of course Conan will so happen to be knocked out or something since he freaks out whenver she does do ANYTHING xD.  

Hmm what do I know about Ran?

Ran loves Chinese history and basically knows it inside out (she's freakin crazy), she knows Karate and uses it when she's angry (lol and she likes to aim for the face), she took care of her dad ever since she was 8 when Eri left him, she thinks Shinichi getting big headed over his detective career makes him stupid, she has a strong sense of justice, she randomly confesses her feelings about her childhood friend to random 8 year olds, most girls with love interests hate her on sight, she obliviously follow recipies from people who wants to screw her over, she tends to jump in to dangerous situations without thinking, she know piano, she would rescue someone pointing a gun at her face, she thinks karate doesn't work on ghost, she's always praying for her stupid childhood friend's happiness without him knowing she cares, she's good at cooking and spends a lot of effort in to making it tasty, according to the movie her favorite colour is red (though in the manga it should be blue), despite the fact that she's stubborn as heck and calls Shinichi a nerd growing up with a childhood friend who knows everything without trying gave her a complex, she oblivious about romance to the point where she doesn't know what x means, etc...

Not much, I still think she's not a main character and it's not particularly suppose to be.  She's Shinichi's "love interest" which basically sealed her fate to being a standby character (according to Gosho's mathematics lol).

First she was Shinichis big love, now she is a bitch, who stole Shiho her guy.

She should steal Shiho instead *snickers*.  But Ran does turn into "Ron the death eater" in fanfics doesn't she xD.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/M ... DeathEater

[ranger]

First she was Shinichis big love, now she is a bitch, who stole Shiho her guy.

+1


I really thought she was always the whiny, crying girl from the beginning..I mean in the very 1st episode she was bawling her eyes out because of that case with the roller coaster...and it continues, and continues, and continues.  Even Akai once said "you're always crying" to her, lol

[kirite]

I really thought she was always the whiny, crying girl from the beginning..I mean in the very 1st episode she was bawling her eyes out because of that case with the roller coaster...and it continues, and continues, and continues.  Even Akai once said "you're always crying" to her, lol

Well it's not everything you see someone's head get looped off with piano wire with their blood gushing out behind you because he dumped someone.  The murderer then proceeds to frame their friend and suicide later. 

well...you won't see these things everyday unless you're Shinichi... or a DC fan xD.

I always find she doesn't cry enough.  She didn't cry during the Moonlight Sonata (where someone burned themself to death willingly), she didn't cry during the coffee murder case (where someone suicide by jumping off a building for her love), and heck there are lots of tragic and traumatic murders that I always feel a sense of unease because how easily everyone takes it (or pretend to take it).  I mean sure people will get used to traumatic things, it's how firefighters/ambulance workers function.  However last time I checked she was just a normal high school girl, unless Shinichi dragged her around on murder cases ever since she was little like the Detective Boys (holy shitz they're going to be messed) I don't see why she shouldn't at least react properly to horrible events.

[Misztina]

Agreed, for a 16/17 year-old girl that's almost normal.  Someone has poited out that the relatives, friends of the victims are quite calm after the murders, especially in the first season and first 10-ish volumes.

I'm always thinking how many possibilities lie in every Dc character. A lot actually. But somehow Gosho doesn't want (or dare) to break the spell a break out to a more extent world. I know that the cases make him limited on background works, and if I'm not mistaken he did talk about writing many pages about the background stories, like Takagi's and Sato's, but still...

Like the Kogoro-Eri thing is going on forever, their break-up mystery is like the mystery of Mrs. Columbo, it seems like we will never know what happened. I always hoped for something like they broke up because of a BO stuff or something similiar, but we don't even get a tiny hint on that, so I started to give up on them.

As for Ran, now "magically" she is more chatty, more in the front and more knowing, more more. Interesting...

[kkslider5552000]

who cares about Ran

i wanna know who okiya subaru is 

i hope it's bourbon

BUT YA KNOW THE LUV STORIES IS TEH BEST PARTT OF THIS DETCTEIVE ANIMU HARHAR 



















I think I remember that the original point of this topic was that Ran doesn't do anything anymore but this Okiya Subaru arc has had Ran not be completely useless like in the Eisuke arc so lets see where this goes!