DC Fantasy

[kyuuketsuki]

Super Intelligent People... not so real...? OK... So you are saying Einstein, Edison, Galileo, the good people at CERN, Newton, are ALL MYTHS! OMG! My eyes have been.... wait... if they didn't exist then how do we have all that we have today? DAMN IT! And more recently... yes there was an 11 yr old kid who graduated college, and I bet he can also kick your ass, as he is a martial arts champion [sounds like something out of an anime... I know, but its true]. There are also many inventors who constantly improve things, and there are people who program things that most people can't even imagine. Just because you don't know of them...doesn't mean they don't exist.

I think I agree with this one. Some intelligent people are really beyond our imagination. I had that kind of experience, before I enter one of the most prestigious high schools in this country.

It's true that very smart people exist, but einstein didn't developed the theory of relativity in one day...
How can you explain that every single case is solved in a single day?
Or what haibara feels when someone from the BO is close?
police officers letting children in the crime scene.
Or in the two-mix case, the police sent 4 underage childs (without even asking their parents!)
After that, Why wasn't Megure or whoever was in charge fired?
There are many cases that are solved using as proof something said by the culprit.
conan and the DB were able to disband a money counterfeiting org (ep 129?), but he can't do anything vs the BO even with help of the FBI. Why doesn't he inform the police about the situation?.
How can the police's lab have every study (fingerprints, blood, DNA, etc) done in a matter of hours??
How could Gin find a hair of haibara in a dark place of a moving car?
Every scene where conan uses the ball to knock someone out.
In movie 12, the 911 call (when he shoots from 50000000 km (doesn't matter how skilled you are), and when they actualy sing).

If i keep thinking i'm sure i'll find more of this not-so-real situations, so, i think we can call conan a not-so-real show and stop arguing(?).

First off I am happy that Shinran is on my side... Its so rare that I have anyone on my side...

Let's begin... First off... Fingerprinting can take anywhere from a few minutes to a few hours to a few weeks. So that is not so far fetched in completing a case in a day. DNA testing is another story... That can take anywhere from a week [thats in a high priority case and involves constant shifts, but CAN BE DONE] to about 6 months. OK so that's not so realistic...But I don't remember the last case where they used DNA testing to find a culprit... Btw... Blood testing is very complex, you need to be a BIT more specific on the type of blood testing. Blood typing can be done fairly quickly.

Secondly ... you sir Dcfan1 are comparing one of the most complex theories in the past 100 years to crimes, some of which are quite complex, yes, but still INCOMPARABLE in the end... Seriously... Think about what you say, and what you compare things to....

Again the police RARELY let them on the crime scene, and every time they do something stupid [like the Two-Mix] case they get in trouble and lectured more than they get praised by the police. Yea, they wouldn't do some of the things, but in general... They keep to the reality in terms of this fairly well...

The MPD can't do much against an international org, so why tell them? They would just expend needless time, energy and man power on something they can't combat anyway on the grand scale. If anyone, they should contact Interpol. And the BO is very organized. The MPD did nothing against Kanou Saizou, the organizer of the underworld, what do you think they would do about something that was 100x the size of that and far more lethal. They are very hard to take down...

Gin finding the hair... Implausible, not impossible. Depends on the situation and how he found it, frankly I don't remember well enough. If he knew someone was there and was looking for evidence, its highly likely that he would find it eventually.

I have to agree with the knocking out with a soccer ball, but the whole concept of that is impossible, the force kicking shoes... the rebound, the physics... But in the end, where it is possible to knock someone down, unlikely to knock someone out... Though looking at the speed, with a hard object if it WAS moving that fast and had any mass, its quite possible, but to get it to that speed with a foot, unlikely at best.

And again, though the theory is solid in M12, the chances of it happening are slim at best.

[bluekaitou1412]

That's why I call it not-so-real, people.
Not IMPOSSIBLE. it can happen but not every time. end of discussion (at least for me).


or if anyone wants to continue the arguments, please go ahead.
as they say, arguments and debates help sharpen the mind.

[kyuuketsuki]

That's why I call it not-so-real, people.
Not IMPOSSIBLE. it can happen but not every time. end of discussion (at least for me).


or if anyone wants to continue the arguments, please go ahead.
as they say, arguments and debates help sharpen the mind.

I get that, but... "not-so-real" is extremely misleading. Implausible would be a better word, because again many of the things you put are very real, and extremely possible the way you worded them. In fact, most of this is poorly worded, right down to the title "DC Fantasy" Fantasy: a supposition based on no solid foundation; visionary idea; illusion. Clearly that is the wrong word. Considering most of your "not-so-real" list is not only possible, but much of it happens with fairly high frequency, despite if you know of it or not. "Not-so-real" as I said, is just a poor term. Implausible, unlikely... among others would be better. That is why this incited debate. Its not the concept, as we all know as realistic as Conan is, it does get fairly ridiculous at times.

That's just my opinion though.

[bluekaitou1412]

That's why I call it not-so-real, people.
Not IMPOSSIBLE. it can happen but not every time. end of discussion (at least for me).


or if anyone wants to continue the arguments, please go ahead.
as they say, arguments and debates help sharpen the mind.

I get that, but... "not-so-real" is extremely misleading. Implausible would be a better word, because again many of the things you put are very real, and extremely possible the way you worded them. In fact, most of this is poorly worded, right down to the title "DC Fantasy" Fantasy: a supposition based on no solid foundation; visionary idea; illusion. Clearly that is the wrong word. Considering most of your "not-so-real" list is not only possible, but much of it happens with fairly high frequency, despite if you know of it or not. "Not-so-real" as I said, is just a poor term. Implausible, unlikely... among others would be better. That is why this incited debate. Its not the concept, as we all know as realistic as Conan is, it does get fairly ridiculous at times.

That's just my opinion though.

Ok,ok. I'll make it "Implausible".
Very thanks for correcting me.

[bluekaitou1412]

and btw, the topic name is just a topic name.
don't pay too much attention on it.

it's just a catchy name.
one word. curiosity.

[Callid]

Fantasy is definitly the wrong word.
First you need a "novum" for fantasy. A "novum" is something that isn't possible yet or, at least, would be difficult to invent, so, for example, APTX 4869.
Second, Fantasy isn't the only Genre that uses Nova, Science-Fiction does as well. It's only Fantasy if there's no try to explain the Novum (for example the gate of Moria opens without any obvious reason just because someone says the right word. If there were microphons and engines, it would be SF).
But in DC, every Novum is explained (or at least the author tries to). Therefore DC isn't Fantasy at all, but we might argue if it's Sciene-Fiction.

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I think it's cool that kaitou kid never losses, or that conan/shinichi doesn't have a single case unsolved, or the relationship between conan and the police, etc.
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There is a case Conan couldn't solve. Ep. 225

[Kor]

That's an AO. And Conan actually solved it. He just didn't believe that the conclusion he came to was actually correct. plus, Conan is not usual for dumb culprits.
The whole episode was probably just a comic relief anyway...

[Kor]

Where I live, murder cases don't get solved...The police sucks. a week ago, they arrested a guy who spoke too loudly to an officer, but when there are murders 4 times a week, the police sucks.

a teenage boy killed his father, and then the family protected the boy. Not only that, but in the night after the police started to investigate, no one guarded the crime scene and the family wiped out the crime scene from any clue or evidence. 

[Callid]

That's an AO. And Conan actually solved it. He just didn't believe that the conclusion he came to was actually correct. plus, Conan is not usual for dumb culprits.
The whole episode was probably just a comic relief anyway...

Actually, without the Detective Boys, the case hadn't been solved because hadn't pursuit the theory; he declared it wrong from the beginning. The one who actually solved the case was Mitsuhiko, not Conan.
Therefore Conan did not solve this case, he never believed the theory to be right. In my opinion you haven't solved a case if you think of a solution but consider it wrong and throw it away (and never pick it up again, btw).
And I don't agree with your last sentence. I thought that would be clear after the dialogue on the roof (Conan - Ai). This episode was ment to stress that Conan has great difficulties to solve a not-almost-perfect crime, and also to stress that Conan is not a perfect detective (he makes a mistake in his reasoning assuming that every criminal commits only perfect crimes).

Oh, and yes, it's my favourite DC episode (although I havn't got past 300...(with the anime)).

[Kor]

The feeling that I got from the episode made me think it was just meant to tease Conan. But since it's an AO it had no meaning to the manga as well. And that episode made me hate the DB even more. Like in the end when they think so high on themselves, like Conan solved 100+ while they only 1.
And every crime in DC is not perfect. If it was perfect, no detective could solve it. Every criminal attempts to make the perfect crime. In that case however, the criminal just didn't think this through and if Conan didn't think that his theory was possible, it's likely that any other detective would think the same (however the police would have had to check all options.)

[bluekaitou1412]

Wow. This thread is supposed to be buried somewhere.

[Callid]

The feeling that I got from the episode made me think it was just meant to tease Conan. But since it's an AO it had no meaning to the manga as well. And that episode made me hate the DB even more. Like in the end when they think so high on themselves, like Conan solved 100+ while they only 1.
And every crime in DC is not perfect. If it was perfect, no detective could solve it. Every criminal attempts to make the perfect crime. In that case however, the criminal just didn't think this through and if Conan didn't think that his theory was possible, it's likely that any other detective would think the same (however the police would have had to check all options.)

All right, I already changed the "perfect" to "almost-perfect". And I think if Kogoro was to solve this mystery he would have succeeded. After all, Conan (and perhaps Heiji as well?) are the only detectives having problems solving this case.
You could say they can easily solve an almost-perfect crime but have difficulties if the culprit is stupid and in case of the DB or Kogoro it's just the other way around (making them a good combination, after all). I think that's the essence of this episode.