Culprits you felt bad for the most/hated the most.

[Obscure]

I don't feel sorry for any damn culprit.
There's no excuse to kill or even think of killing someone..
I just don't understand how someone can go that far, really.

Dont you feel sorry for those who kill the killer of a beloved ?! i mean the victim took a life from someone , and the killer took his life. they are even . i know they should propably tell the cops , let them handle it , but that moment they kill is the moment their minds are filled with great memories from their "beloved" ,and the moment their minds are filled with revenge.  remember when satou tried to shoot  that guy who killed matsuda ? not everyone has someone to slap them , and take them back to reality .

[Girl19]

I don't feel sorry for any damn culprit.
There's no excuse to kill or even think of killing someone..
I just don't understand how someone can go that far, really.

Dont you feel sorry for those who kill the killer of a beloved ?! i mean the victim took a life from someone , and the killer took his life. they are even . i know they should propably tell the cops , let them handle it , but that moment they kill is the moment their minds are filled with great memories from their "beloved" ,and the moment their minds are filled with revenge.  remember when satou tried to shoot  that guy who killed matsuda ? not everyone has someone to slap them , and take them back to reality .

So if you kill someone I love I should just kill you or kill someone you love to punish you? Then you'd kill me or someone I love and vice versa, and then everyone is.. DEAD?! And if you steal something from me, I should steal something from you as well? No, I think that's not the right solution to the problem. We'd be even, indeed; but then again everyone will kill everyone and the world will just turn into, well, a big nonsense shit where justice and morality lack. Sato was dumb when she thought of killing that dude, and so were all the other criminals. Though she was lucky because Takagi was there; but if he weren't and if she'd killed that guy, I wouldn't feel sorry for her neither.

[ranger]

I don't feel sorry for any damn culprit.
There's no excuse to kill or even think of killing someone..
I just don't understand how someone can go that far, really.

Dont you feel sorry for those who kill the killer of a beloved ?! i mean the victim took a life from someone , and the killer took his life. they are even . i know they should propably tell the cops , let them handle it , but that moment they kill is the moment their minds are filled with great memories from their "beloved" ,and the moment their minds are filled with revenge.  remember when satou tried to shoot  that guy who killed matsuda ? not everyone has someone to slap them , and take them back to reality .

So if you kill someone I love I should just kill you or kill someone you love to punish you? Then you'd kill me or someone I love and vice versa, and then everyone is.. DEAD?! And if you steal something from me, I should steal something from you as well? No, I think that's not the right solution to the problem. We'd be even, indeed; but then again everyone will kill everyone and the world will just turn into, well, a big nonsense shit where justice and morality lack. Sato was dumb when she thought of killing that dude, and so were all the other criminals. Though she was lucky because Takagi was there; but if he weren't and if she'd killed that guy, I wouldn't feel sorry for her neither.

lol an eye for an eye, the laws of the Hebrew are the best laws.

(im jk, im not even jewish, lol)

while I do think it is definetely wrong to kill someone, I cant help but feel a deep remorse/ pity the culprit, maybe I'm too soft, or I don't have a really good sense of justice.

When I put myself into the shoes of the culprit, I would think "thats not a bad idea", I know how bad it sounds, but like for example...if someone killed my family and my friends, the idea of killing the culprit wouldn't "pass my mind", ya know?

Now, dont think im some crazy dude whos gonna kill anyone who crosses me, I didnt say that.  I'm just saying, I totally sympathize for these type of culprits.

And honestly, who says that the current laws that are in place are the best?  Is there a higher authority in the skies that deems our current system worthy?  No, we are just simply brought into this culture because of the propaganda/influence the media impacts on us and due to the fact, that we grew up being taught that "this is good, this is bad".
What is actually good or bad, ya know?  Is an eye for an eye actually "evil"?

That's just my two-cents, no im not crazy or an anarchist, I just thought it was a good topic to discuss.

[kirite]

So if you kill someone I love I should just kill you or kill someone you love to punish you? Then you'd kill me or someone I love and vice versa, and then everyone is.. DEAD?! And if you steal something from me, I should steal something from you as well? No, I think that's not the right solution to the problem. We'd be even, indeed; but then again everyone will kill everyone and the world will just turn into, well, a big nonsense shit where justice and morality lack. Sato was dumb when she thought of killing that dude, and so were all the other criminals. Though she was lucky because Takagi was there; but if he weren't and if she'd killed that guy, I wouldn't feel sorry for her neither.

Lol I'm not the one for killing a "kick the dog" culpit (culprit who's a bastard and "deserves to die").  I would prefere them suffer slowly and painfully by living yes?

And ehh some of us always view the world as a big nonesense shit where justice and morality lack xD.

We're human, and humans are dumb!  I understand her feelings.  The desire to place judgement upon others, the desire to give people "their just desserts", the desire to protect the people you love and the desire to make things "right" in the world and all pretty natural I think.  Even the human sense of justice comes from those same desires.  When the detectives send people to the electrical chair that's a form of "I kill you because you did something wrong" isn't it?

As for Conan I think for anyone who's job dealing with killers you can't afford not to know the feelings of wanting to kill someone : ].

[Girl19]

lol an eye for an eye, the laws of the Hebrew are the best laws.

(im jk, im not even jewish, lol)

while I do think it is definetely wrong to kill someone, I cant help but feel a deep remorse/ pity the culprit, maybe I'm too soft, or I don't have a really good sense of justice.

When I put myself into the shoes of the culprit, I would think "thats not a bad idea", I know how bad it sounds, but like for example...if someone killed my family and my friends, the idea of killing the culprit wouldn't "pass my mind", ya know?

Now, dont think im some crazy dude whos gonna kill anyone who crosses me, I didnt say that.  I'm just saying, I totally sympathize for these type of culprits.

Lol, I know you're not crazy and I actually can imagine your feelings.. Maybe it doesn't appear right now but I'm soft too, sometimes even too soft, in real life. Though I don't feel sorry for the culprits, I do feel a pity for them because they just end up ruining many lives. I feel pity for them because they could have chosen a better way and try to figure out another harmless solution. At the end of the day, at least in the DC world, they all get punished by being sent to prison; so they basically ruin their own lives after taking other people's life and ruining their families' lives too. Nobody wins in the end. Now in real life, of course not all culprits are punished by the laws. But I bet the majority of them won't have a good life, they'll always be mentally tormented because their conscience will punish them instead. But for the ones who don't even have conscience.. well, that's another matter.

And honestly, who says that the current laws that are in place are the best?  Is there a higher authority in the skies that deems our current system worthy?  No, we are just simply brought into this culture because of the propaganda/influence the media impacts on us and due to the fact, that we grew up being taught that "this is good, this is bad".
What is actually good or bad, ya know?  Is an eye for an eye actually "evil"?

That's just my two-cents, no im not crazy or an anarchist, I just thought it was a good topic to discuss.

I'll have to thank you for bringing us a good and philosophical topic to discuss.
Well, as you said, I think it all depends on the way you've been brought up and what you've been taught, and I also think it can depend on your religion. As for me, in my religion, killing someone is bad because of several reasons: a soul is something precious and God gave us souls so we could live, and he should be the one to take them back when he decides to. If people keep killing each other, there'd be nothing left but chaos. Thus, killing someone is considered as something extremely bad in my religion, and I guess it's the same for all religions.
Now for the people who don't believe in religions, I think they also believe that killing someone is bad. Which brings us to what you said: maybe it's the way they’ve been brought up, the influence of their own environments and surroundings.
However, I still think that even if someone isn't taught what's good and what's bad, they will learn so by themselves. I think the sense of justice, and thus knowing what's good and what's bad, is within our nature, within our subconscious mind. For example, if someone kills someone you love, or if someone steals something you have, you'd feel very sad and full of pain, right? Unconsciously, you'd realize that killing and stealing are "bad" because they hurt you and hurt people in general. On the other hand, if someone, for example, gives you a gift, you'd feel happy and grateful; so you'd realize that giving gifts is "good". I think the real matter is whether you decide to do good or bad things. People do realize that something is bad, yet they still do it. Hence you see, back to DC, that most of the culprits regret what they did.

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Well, that's just how I see things.. I hope you understand what I mean because I know my posts seem kinda missy.. because I have many ideas to write and dunno from where to start most of the time. lol

[Girl19]

And ehh some of us always view the world as a big nonesense shit where justice and morality lack xD.

lol Well I think only pessimistic people will view our world that way. And I was one of them too just few months ago. lol But really, I think there's still some justice left in today's world. Morality? I'm not too sure but probably still a tiny bit of it. Though they're both getting rare, I have to admit..

We're human, and humans are dumb!  I understand her feelings.  The desire to place judgement upon others, the desire to give people "their just desserts", the desire to protect the people you love and the desire to make things "right" in the world and all pretty natural I think.  Even the human sense of justice comes from those same desires.  When the detectives send people to the electrical chair that's a form of "I kill you because you did something wrong" isn't it?

Indeed, it's that desire of being just what confuses people and make them do bad, or let's just say, irresponsable things when they get mad and/or hurt. But if you punish someone for doing something bad by doing something just as bad or worse, don't you need someone else to punish you as well? (Of course I don't mean you, that's a generalizer "you". lol) What I mean is, "fixing" something bad by another bad thing isn't a solution. It's like, bad only begetes bad.

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lol Talking about this reminds me of Death Note..

[kkslider5552000]

Part of me pities at least some of the culprits.

On the other hand, part of me is an asshole/strange person who simply approves of an asshole being dead and a killer being sent to jail.

[Akonyl]

Part of me pities at least some of the culprits.

On the other hand, part of me is an asshole/strange person who simply approves of an asshole being dead and a killer being sent to jail.

two birds with one stone, imo.

[Eve]

However, I still think that even if someone isn't taught what's good and what's bad, they will learn so by themselves. I think the sense of justice, and thus knowing what's good and what's bad, is within our nature, within our subconscious mind. For example, if someone kills someone you love, or if someone steals something you have, you'd feel very sad and full of pain, right? Unconsciously, you'd realize that killing and stealing are "bad" because they hurt you and hurt people in general. On the other had, if someone, for example, gives you a gift, you'd feel happy and grateful; so you'd realize that giving gifts is "good". I think the real matter is whether you decide to do good or bad thing. People do realize that something is bad, yet they still do it. Hence you see, back to DC, that most of the culprits regret what they did.

Hmmm... I have to agree to disagree ^_^....

Simply because like you have said before, it's the way you are brought up. I have met people who were not brought up to find that "justice" the right way. There ARE people who were taught to retaliate the exact same way, "someone hurt you, you make them feel twice the pain" kinda thing. Simply because of that they became distant from the general society and the general "justice", thus making it hard for them realize the sense of the general "justice"

And no offense, but it's very easy to say "If that had happened to me, I'd do this and this instead of this".... it's easy to be the outsider and judge the situation... but if you're the person inside the situation, the pain, the type that is so unbearable that render you helpless, will cloud your head... and you'll feel like you HAVE to do something... that's probably why some people murdered even though they know they are wrong.

[Girl19]

Hmmm... I have to agree to disagree ^_^....

Simply because like you have said before, it's the way you are brought up. I have met people who were not brought up to find that "justice" the right way. There ARE people who were taught to retaliate the exact same way, "someone hurt you, you make them feel twice the pain" kinda thing. Simply because of that they became distant from the general society and the general "justice", thus making it hard for them realize the sense of the general "justice"

I wonder how those people feel then.. Just because they were taught to do that, it doesn't mean they'd feel better or relieved after doing so.
I think a sane human being will be aware of what he's doing, if it's good or bad, no matter what he's been taught to do.

And no offense, but it's very easy to say "If that had happened to me, I'd do this and this instead of this".... it's easy to be the outsider and judge the situation... but if you're the person inside the situation, the pain, the type that is so unbearable that render you helpless, will cloud your head... and you'll feel like you HAVE to do something... that's probably why some people murdered even though they know they are wrong.

True, I'd definitely feel that I HAVE to do something, but that something will definitely NOT be thinking of killing a human being. Sorry but that's just wrong, in all ways. I'd rather call the police, it's their job after all. I'm not the one who should make justice, who am I to make justice by myself? There are laws and judgments that were specifically made for that matter. And no, I'm not just saying this because I'm outsider to this kinda situations.. I know that I have strong opinions and believes which won't change no matter what situation I may be experiencing, that's just who I am.

[Kor]

Hmmm... I have to agree to disagree ^_^....

Simply because like you have said before, it's the way you are brought up. I have met people who were not brought up to find that "justice" the right way. There ARE people who were taught to retaliate the exact same way, "someone hurt you, you make them feel twice the pain" kinda thing. Simply because of that they became distant from the general society and the general "justice", thus making it hard for them realize the sense of the general "justice"

I wonder how those people feel then.. Just because they were taught to do that, it doesn't mean they'd feel better or relieved after doing so.
I think a sane human being will be aware of what he's doing, if it's good or bad, no matter what he's been taught to do.

And no offense, but it's very easy to say "If that had happened to me, I'd do this and this instead of this".... it's easy to be the outsider and judge the situation... but if you're the person inside the situation, the pain, the type that is so unbearable that render you helpless, will cloud your head... and you'll feel like you HAVE to do something... that's probably why some people murdered even though they know they are wrong.

True, I'd definitely feel that I HAVE to do something, but that something will definitely NOT be thinking of killing a human being. Sorry but that's just wrong, in all ways. I'd rather call the police, it's their job after all. I'm not the one who should make justice, who am I to make justice by myself? There are laws and judgments that were specifically made for that matter. And no, I'm not just saying this because I'm outsider to this kinda situations.. I know that I have strong opinions and believes which won't change no matter what situation I may be experiencing, that's just who I am.

But that's exactly it. You don't know how you will be in a certain situation and your strong opinions may not be as strong as you think. Everyone can say "If that happens, I will never do this and that." Just because you say something now, doesn't mean it will be the exact same after you are in a certain situation. in my country for example, there are no death penalties (and lately the violance celebrates on the streets and in the last few weeks there are murders everywhere.) let's say that I have kids and wife (I'm eighteen so I don't have no kids and no wife...) If someone will kill them, I think that I won't control myself and I might try to take the law to my hands (because the law here really sucks), even though my opinions about violance are absolute. I am against violance and murders and I will never commit a murder. Would I really keep the same believes and opinions after the world crushed around me? I think not.

[Obscure]

So if you kill someone I love I should just kill you or kill someone you love to punish you? Then you'd kill me or someone I love and vice versa, and then everyone is.. DEAD?! And if you steal something from me, I should steal something from you as well? No, I think that's not the right solution to the problem. We'd be even, indeed; but then again everyone will kill everyone and the world will just turn into, well, a big nonsense shit where justice and morality lack. Sato was dumb when she thought of killing that dude, and so were all the other criminals. Though she was lucky because Takagi was there; but if he weren't and if she'd killed that guy, I wouldn't feel sorry for her neither.

- I didnt say you should kill somone that killed someone you love , thats not right , i just asked if dont you feel bad for them, and i get now the answer is no , i mean I cant help but feel sorry for them i know Revenge is not a good thing , but that's just me. and tiny note , i know u just said stealing to set an example , but stealing is way a different thing.

while I do think it is definetely wrong to kill someone, I cant help but feel a deep remorse/ pity the culprit, maybe I'm too soft, or I don't have a really good sense of justice.

When I put myself into the shoes of the culprit, I would think "thats not a bad idea", I know how bad it sounds, but like for example...if someone killed my family and my friends, the idea of killing the culprit wouldn't "pass my mind", ya know?

Now, dont think im some crazy dude whos gonna kill anyone who crosses me, I didnt say that.  I'm just saying, I totally sympathize for these type of culprits.

- i second that , i know its wrong , but i just can't help feel this way.

And honestly, who says that the current laws that are in place are the best?  Is there a higher authority in the skies that deems our current system worthy?  No, we are just simply brought into this culture because of the propaganda/influence the media impacts on us and due to the fact, that we grew up being taught that "this is good, this is bad".
What is actually good or bad, ya know?  Is an eye for an eye actually "evil"?

That's just my two-cents, no im not crazy or an anarchist, I just thought it was a good topic to discuss.

- i have to agree with that too , the culture and atmosphere influence us alot , also the way ur raised also make a difference , i mean i remmeber once i was a kid mabey 10 or 11 i was angry to show how much i was angry to my mom i told her "i even can kill someone" <- dont get me wrong its just a figure of speech to show how much im angry , and she seriously got angry she warned me to say those words again even if it was a joke, i couldnt understand why she got that angry it was just a figure of speech, but now i kind off understand , taking someone's life is a serious matter, but i kind-off still use that figure of speech  :-[  :-[.

Lol I'm not the one for killing a "kick the dog" culpit (culprit who's a bastard and "deserves to die").  I would prefere them suffer slowly and painfully by living yes?

And ehh some of us always view the world as a big nonesense shit where justice and morality lack xD.

We're human, and humans are dumb!  I understand her feelings.  The desire to place judgement upon others, the desire to give people "their just desserts", the desire to protect the people you love and the desire to make things "right" in the world and all pretty natural I think.  Even the human sense of justice comes from those same desires.  When the detectives send people to the electrical chair that's a form of "I kill you because you did something wrong" isn't it?

As for Conan I think for anyone who's job dealing with killers you can't afford not to know the feelings of wanting to kill someone : ].

yes , we are dumb in many ways, *cough*by her do you mean me or satou  :P *cough* , btw im just notifying something for everyone , i never said that im going to kill someone who killed someone i love , i just said that i cant help but feel sorry for them and not blaming them , i mean i think my soft side mabey is getting over me ? *cough* or mabey my bad side  :P

small note at the last : we really dont know what a person who someone they love got killed by a person that he have to deal with almost daily thinks , and i hope none of us experince that. ever . ever .

[Eve]

Hmmm... I have to agree to disagree ^_^....

Simply because like you have said before, it's the way you are brought up. I have met people who were not brought up to find that "justice" the right way. There ARE people who were taught to retaliate the exact same way, "someone hurt you, you make them feel twice the pain" kinda thing. Simply because of that they became distant from the general society and the general "justice", thus making it hard for them realize the sense of the general "justice"

I wonder how those people feel then.. Just because they were taught to do that, it doesn't mean they'd feel better or relieved after doing so.
I think a sane human being will be aware of what he's doing, if it's good or bad, no matter what he's been taught to do.

And no offense, but it's very easy to say "If that had happened to me, I'd do this and this instead of this".... it's easy to be the outsider and judge the situation... but if you're the person inside the situation, the pain, the type that is so unbearable that render you helpless, will cloud your head... and you'll feel like you HAVE to do something... that's probably why some people murdered even though they know they are wrong.

True, I'd definitely feel that I HAVE to do something, but that something will definitely NOT be thinking of killing a human being. Sorry but that's just wrong, in all ways. I'd rather call the police, it's their job after all. I'm not the one who should make justice, who am I to make justice by myself? There are laws and judgments that were specifically made for that matter. And no, I'm not just saying this because I'm outsider to this kinda situations.. I know that I have strong opinions and believes which won't change no matter what situation I may be experiencing, that's just who I am.

Again... you are talking about yourself here.... what I simply said here is that don't impose your ideals on others... one can't speak for the whole... I know that "If you're are in this situation, You'd do this and that" great, but maybe others don't think so, I know it's hard to believe, but people are different from one another, you might think killing won't do any good, maybe other doesn't, you might know that killing won't solve the problem, there are others that think differently. There are no such thing as "general justice"... everyone has their own justice in their world, even the law is just the "justice" of the government.

Again, no offense, I'm just saying, maybe you think that way but other don't... unless you're in their shoes, I'm not saying trying to imagine yourself in their shoes, I'm saying "when" you're in their shoes... ^_^

Back to topic:

Hmmm.... I think I'd also feel sorry for that girl who used the bra to kill, that guy seriously deserves to die... it was not the right choice for her to kill *from my point of view*, but I guess it was the only way for her... ^_^

[Girl19]

Again... you are talking about yourself here.... what I simply said here is that don't impose your ideals on others... one can't speak for the whole...
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Again, no offense, I'm just saying, maybe you think that way but other don't... unless you're in their shoes, I'm not saying trying to imagine yourself in their shoes, I'm saying "when" you're in their shoes... ^_^

Hm, no offense but where did you see me imposing my opinions on others?! I didn't force anything on anyone; I only said that I don't feel sorry for them, and that's because I believe that bad only begetes bad, and that I think there are better solutions to choose rather than killing someone off. In all my posts, I'm just explaining why I don't tolerate that, I'm not forcing you or anyone to think the same way I do.

I know that "If you're are in this situation, You'd do this and that" great, but maybe others don't think so, I know it's hard to believe, but people are different from one another, you might think killing won't do any good, maybe other doesn't, you might know that killing won't solve the problem, there are others that think differently. There are no such thing as "general justice"... everyone has their own justice in their world, even the law is just the "justice" of the government.

Once again, just how I view things:
If everyone has their own justice, then what do you think is going to happen to the world? We're not animals living in a jungle, we are human beings, we have brains to think before committing the unforgivable and we do need an organized society with high morals and "general" justice to survive. If everyone's gonna do what they want to do, then no one will survive in the end and the world's gonna turn into chaos; or actually into nothing. Just try to imagine that. And yes, I do imagine that we all get hurt and we may all feel the need to revenge someone or something at least once in a life time, I agree with that; but feeling the need, starting to think and plan it and actually doing it are three different things. Doing irresponsible things in a moment of weakness, blinded by pain and anger, ruining your and other people's life, then regretting it or feeling sorry is just silly and oh too late. Once again, don't get me wrong, I'm not forcing people to have the same believes I have; I'm just defending my opinions and explaining why I have these same opinions. Oh well, I feel like I'm repeating myself..

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But that's exactly it. You don't know how you will be in a certain situation and your strong opinions may not be as strong as you think. Everyone can say "If that happens, I will never do this and that." Just because you say something now, doesn't mean it will be the exact same after you are in a certain situation. in my country for example, there are no death penalties (and lately the violance celebrates on the streets and in the last few weeks there are murders everywhere.) let's say that I have kids and wife (I'm eighteen so I don't have no kids and no wife...) If someone will kill them, I think that I won't control myself and I might try to take the law to my hands (because the law here really sucks), even though my opinions about violance are absolute. I am against violance and murders and I will never commit a murder. Would I really keep the same believes and opinions after the world crushed around me? I think not.

I know myself too well, I know what I'm capable of doing and what I'm not capable of doing, no matter what, no matter what.

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And just out of curiosity - No death penalties in your country? You mean that people aren't sent to jail after killing someone?

- I didnt say you should kill somone that killed someone you love , thats not right , i just asked if dont you feel bad for them, and i get now the answer is no , i mean I cant help but feel sorry for them i know Revenge is not a good thing , but that's just me. and tiny note , i know u just said stealing to set an example , but stealing is way a different thing.

Yes you didn't, but you said that they'd be even. You said that when someone kills someone else who had killed his beloved one, they are even. I didn't/don't agree with this way of thinking. And yes, I don't feel bad for them.. I have pity for them, that's different. In my opinion, feeling bad and sorry for a murderer is just wrong.

[Kor]

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But that's exactly it. You don't know how you will be in a certain situation and your strong opinions may not be as strong as you think. Everyone can say "If that happens, I will never do this and that." Just because you say something now, doesn't mean it will be the exact same after you are in a certain situation. in my country for example, there are no death penalties (and lately the violance celebrates on the streets and in the last few weeks there are murders everywhere.) let's say that I have kids and wife (I'm eighteen so I don't have no kids and no wife...) If someone will kill them, I think that I won't control myself and I might try to take the law to my hands (because the law here really sucks), even though my opinions about violance are absolute. I am against violance and murders and I will never commit a murder. Would I really keep the same believes and opinions after the world crushed around me? I think not.

I know myself too well, I know what I'm capable of doing and what I'm not capable of doing, no matter what, no matter what.

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And just out of curiosity - No death penalties in your country? You mean that people aren't sent to jail after killing someone?

What I meant to say is, that the penalty for death is not execustion, it is just sitting in jail, and by the last articles I read in the last few days, instead of 25 years, some people manage to get 12 years. I'm well aware that also in Japan, the culprits just go to jail but I don't think it's enough.

And last thing, if you know yourself too well, do you know yourself as well in the worst situation of all as the world crushes around you? If do know how you will act before you got into such situation, you aren't human, you are superman 

little example of one of my friends. I was in an orchestra until few years ago but I got pissed at the conductor and left.
One of my friends HATES germany (and for the totally wrong reasons). you know, holocaust, hitler, they did this and they did that...the things that doesn't exist dotay in germany. So he said that there is no way in hell he will ever go there because of what happened there but I actually took it as a bit of an insult, I am half german and his excuses were stupid (at least to my opinion) and I tried to convince him. It didn't work, he was still with the same opinion that he will never go there no matter what and nothing will change his mind. BUT the human's mind is far weaker than one may think. When the orchestra had a trip to germany last year, HE WENT despite saying that he won't, ever. Why? because he'd miss the fun if he didn't go, so while I praised him for finally changing his mind, I didn't like how weak he really was...

This is just a small example to how one person may change what he thinks according to the situation.

in topic, I didn't really feel sorry for anyone (or at least I can't remember.) but that's because I don't really care for these people (because they are not real people...) but if I had to choose it'd be from the kareoky box.