What story do you think is the most sad of all?

[14341210]

I think what gosho is trying to do is to tell us that no matter what the situation you're in it's never good to kill somebody. That's what I think at least now if don't agree with this point of view I'm not gonna critizice your opinion otherwise it's gonna be another philosophical debate.

I am not saying I disagree, it's just that the crimes of the "victims" don't seem to get any posthumous condemnation from Conan just because they are dead and I really feel sad for the tragic situations of most murderers in DC. My point of view isn't so much about criticizing Conan as to feel depressed of how sad did the life of those indivituals turn out. I mean, they are left with only 2 choices at the end:

1) Become a killer
2) Swallow all the crap life has given them until their last breath when they die of old age.

If the episodes were longer and more detailed, I probably would even cry for the characters, many animes make me shed tears if they are sad.

You bring about a good point! Sorry if this conversation was old, but I got really interested in what you say.

I've been observing this myself, and the conclusions that I reached to are:
1- The main idea Gosho wants to convey is that no matter what the cause is, murder is never the answer. Obviously it's never as black and white as it seems, since many cases paint the victim in a darker blight than the culprit, however he still abides by this (overall) righteous principle. I think Gosho mainly believes in righteous means of revenge, such as overpowering obstacles, challenging heirarchy, and displaying evil men's true colors for the world to see, all through "legitimate and legal" means.
2- I think Shinchi/Conan is Gosho's manifestation of said belief. Conan solves cases with righteous fury, and endless passion. However, once the criminal's caught, he suddenly moves on with his life, giving no signs of care to the culprit's reasoning for his/her actions.. unless under the most extreme cases (example: A Stalker's Murder Case, Conan went out of his way to decriminalize the culprit).
3- I think that it's because he fundamentally disagreed with the path they took, he can't show sympathy towards them, regardless of whether he feels so or not, and many times, he does feel sympathetic, as evidenced by debunking down a criminal's reasoning, to show that what he did was inexcusable, regardless of how much the victim deserved it. And in many others, he just keeps quiet because no matter what he says, the deed's been done now and anything he can possibly say will just add more fuel to the fire of a broken man/woman (criminal)

What do you think? I'm not sure since it's just a theory, but once I saw your posts it was right on the mark! :-D

On-topic, I'll keep adding more cases as I remember, but I always thought that the illustrator case was very interesting, mostly because of how poetic his reasoning was.

"It's just as you said! I flew into a rage and I killed her! But maybe that wasn't the only reason. I was scared.. of her young talent... In the beginning, she was lovely and quiet... like a butterfly dancing around a flower. But gradually, she began to monopolize the flower and took too much of the nectar, and the flower began to wither. Because of that, I plucked her wings so that she couldn't fly anymore."

In other words, the culprit murdered his victim, the prodigy in his firm, out of sheer fear of what she's turning to (from a sweet-hearted aspiring artist, into a money-fame hungry, voluptuous being) and what she most likely turned him into as well. I think we would all be scared to a degree to see the ones we hold most pure gradually turn to corruption, that's why I thought what he said was really sad.

[Mario2000]

You bring about a good point! Sorry if this conversation was old, but I got really interested in what you say.

I've been observing this myself, and the conclusions that I reached to are:
1- The main idea Gosho wants to convey is that no matter what the cause is, murder is never the answer. Obviously it's never as black and white as it seems, since many cases paint the victim in a darker blight than the culprit, however he still abides by this (overall) righteous principle. I think Gosho mainly believes in righteous means of revenge, such as overpowering obstacles, challenging heirarchy, and displaying evil men's true colors for the world to see, all through "legitimate and legal" means.
2- I think Shinchi/Conan is Gosho's manifestation of said belief. Conan solves cases with righteous fury, and endless passion. However, once the criminal's caught, he suddenly moves on with his life, giving no signs of care to the culprit's reasoning for his/her actions.. unless under the most extreme cases (example: A Stalker's Murder Case, Conan went out of his way to decriminalize the culprit).
3- I think that it's because he fundamentally disagreed with the path they took, he can't show sympathy towards them, regardless of whether he feels so or not, and many times, he does feel sympathetic, as evidenced by debunking down a criminal's reasoning, to show that what he did was inexcusable, regardless of how much the victim deserved it. And in many others, he just keeps quiet because no matter what he says, the deed's been done now and anything he can possibly say will just add more fuel to the fire of a broken man/woman (criminal)

What do you think? I'm not sure since it's just a theory, but once I saw your posts it was right on the mark! :-D

I agree with what you say, this is a good explanation of the reason Conan acts in such way. However, even though I understand Conan, I still think he is wrong and even becomes similar to the murderers themselves by refusing to show understanding. After all, nobody asks Conan to let them go, I personally would be satisfied if he just showed compassion for half a minute and didn't read morals to people who had already lost everything they had even before becoming murderers (in most cases that is in fact THE REASON they became murderers; they have been punished by life and evil people without deserving it, so it's no wonder they aren't afraid of being punished by the law for murder, since things will turn bad for them anyway whatever they do and the law was blind when they needed help).

I would agree that Gosho believes in defeating evil through legal means, but still, the really evil people in the stories (the victims) were never punished before being killed, usually because there is no way of proving their crimes, so killing them is the only way to remove them from society. Murder may be a non-justifiable action, but still many innocent people have been saved by the deaths of the victims who are usually extremely one-dimensional creatures who seem to have only one purpose in life: destroying everybody else's lives.

And I don't think that showing compassion would add more fuel to the situation, it would only show Conan as more human and less robotic. I mean, his behavior is unusual among all the fictional investigators I read, even other Japanese ones. I prefer Kindaichi Hajime's (from the series "Kindaichi shounen no Jikenbo") approach to such crimes: condemnation of the act of murder, but human compassion towards the individuals who committed it, if there were really extenuating circumstances.

That's what I think; in my opinion Conan would seem a wiser person if he made deeper analysis of the criminals' actions, considering what kind of criminals he usually catches.

I agree with murder being wrong in all cases etc, but those stories make me too emotional. Gosho is just good at painting non-black-and-white stories, there is almost never a clearly "evil" murderer. But, to be honest, such crimes are rare in real life. In real life usually it's pretty clear who the bad guy is, and even when the murdered ones are scumbags, the ones who killed them are no better. For example, if a gangster gets killed, it's has been more likely committed by another gangster and not by some desperate victim of gangland crimes who seeks private justice.

[ssjup81]

I think one of the saddest stories was the one where the case turned out to be a suicide. The couple turned out to be siblings and one of them committed suicide over it.

[megamind1988]

in my opinión i think what they need besides of prison a psychologist to fix them form their jealousy, dreams of their life, future life, etc. i like to help them because i don't want to see them so broken.