Why do people dislike Ran?

[Suhooo]

Btw, can anyone inform me about the definition of Mary Sue? Dunno what that actually is..

[DCUniverseAficionado]

TV Tropes description of Mary Sue: "The prototypical Mary Sue is an original female character in a fanfic who obviously serves as an idealized version of the author mainly for the purpose of Wish Fulfillment. She's exotically beautiful, often having an unusual hair or eye color, and has a similarly cool and exotic name. She's exceptionally talented in an implausibly wide variety of areas, and may possess skills that are rare or nonexistent in the canon setting. She also lacks any realistic, or at least story-relevant, character flaws — either that or her "flaws" are obviously meant to be endearing. She has an unusual and dramatic Back Story. The canon protagonists are all overwhelmed with admiration for her beauty, wit, courage and other virtues, and are quick to adopt her as one of their True Companions, even characters who are usually antisocial and untrusting; if any character doesn't love her, that character gets an extremely unsympathetic portrayal. She has some sort of especially close relationship to the author's favorite canon character — their love interest, illegitimate child, never-before-mentioned sister, etc. Other than that, the canon characters are quickly reduced to awestruck cheerleaders, watching from the sidelines as Mary Sue outstrips them in their areas of expertise and solves problems that have stymied them for the entire series.
In other words, the term 'Mary Sue' is generally slapped on a character who is important in the story, possesses unusual physical traits, and has an irrelevantly over-skilled or over-idealized nature."

[Suhooo]

TV Tropes description of Mary Sue: "The prototypical Mary Sue is an original female character in a fanfic who obviously serves as an idealized version of the author mainly for the purpose of Wish Fulfillment. She's exotically beautiful, often having an unusual hair or eye color, and has a similarly cool and exotic name. She's exceptionally talented in an implausibly wide variety of areas, and may possess skills that are rare or nonexistent in the canon setting. She also lacks any realistic, or at least story-relevant, character flaws — either that or her "flaws" are obviously meant to be endearing. She has an unusual and dramatic Back Story. The canon protagonists are all overwhelmed with admiration for her beauty, wit, courage and other virtues, and are quick to adopt her as one of their True Companions, even characters who are usually antisocial and untrusting; if any character doesn't love her, that character gets an extremely unsympathetic portrayal. She has some sort of especially close relationship to the author's favorite canon character — their love interest, illegitimate child, never-before-mentioned sister, etc. Other than that, the canon characters are quickly reduced to awestruck cheerleaders, watching from the sidelines as Mary Sue outstrips them in their areas of expertise and solves problems that have stymied them for the entire series.
In other words, the term 'Mary Sue' is generally slapped on a character who is important in the story, possesses unusual physical traits, and has an irrelevantly over-skilled or over-idealized nature."

Thanks sir(/miss)! *salutes*

Yeah, Shinichi would rather fit in this definition better than Ran. (Or might be Sera..? depending on the future development of the plot cuz she has quite a lot of superb abilities)

[Nemomon]

Sera doesn't fit (for now) the term of Mary Sue, because she rarely is doing anything, and most often her deductions are wrong. She's like Hattori - alone both would have some troubles in solving a case, but they're an invaluable help to Conan.

[Suhooo]

Sera doesn't fit (for now) the term of Mary Sue, because she rarely is doing anything, and most often her deductions are wrong. She's like Hattori - alone both would have some troubles in solving a case, but they're an invaluable help to Conan.

Pretty Sure Sera=Hattori=Conan because Sera intentionally missed her deduction at her first appearance, and in most cases Sera and Hattori solved the cases with Conan at the same time, without sharing much of their ideas. Yes, none of the characters fit into Mary Sue except Conan for now.

[DCUniverseAficionado]

none of the characters fit into Mary Sue except Conan for now.

You mean Marty/Gary Stu, since Shinichi/Conan is a male character.

His arrogance is a flaw; he's not treated like a God by anybody, let alone everybody.

Mary Sues/Gary/Marty Stus are characters that are perfect, and are treated perfectly by all the other characters—Shinichi/Conan isn't.

Be wary of the Mary Sue/Gary/Marty Stu accusation—your accusation could easily be an example of Mary Sue/Gary/Marty Stu as a protagonist you don't like.

For a character to be a Mary Sue/Gary/Marty Stu, they need to meet a majority or even all of the criteria—not just the superb abilities criteria.

[usotsuki]

I use "Mary Sue" regardless of gender =P

[Kor]

I use "Mary Sue" regardless of gender =P

Same.

[DCUniverseAficionado]

Yeah, it doesn't really matter.

[Christcc9]

Spoiler:

Despite the fact that I dislike Ran, I almost cried at the end of the 17th movie.

[Kleene Onigiri]

In Rans defense, the whole Detective Conan world is dependent on Shinichi/Conan... the police, DBs including Haibara, Agasa, Kogoro and even the FBI... heck, I would like to say that the BO isn't dependent on Shinichi... BUT Vermouth also depends on him! XD

Not Vermouth, if you ask me and I don't really think Haibara is relying too much on Conan either.

BUT CONAN IS WAY TOO HIGH-RATED! I mean there is a definite imbalance of character abilities...

Vermouth is relying on Conan/Shinichi to bring down the BO. She calls him silver bullet because of that.

Haibara hides behind Conan whenever there is someone suspicious. She's also mainly interacting with Conan. The other few other persons she interacts with are the DBs and Agasa and very few times Okiya. (imo that makes her pretty boring in that regard)
Ran at least talks with other people @_@
Haibara also get's lectured about science by conan... tho she's the scientist... D:

[Suhooo]

Vermouth is relying on Conan/Shinichi to bring down the BO. She calls him silver bullet because of that.

Haibara hides behind Conan whenever there is someone suspicious. She's also mainly interacting with Conan. The other few other persons she interacts with are the DBs and Agasa and very few times Okiya. (imo that makes her pretty boring in that regard)
Ran at least talks with other people @_@

Spoiler:

What fails to persuade me to believe that Vermouth is on Conan's side is that she is not walking into a police station and confess what the BO is all about. If she's that popular & rich & skilled, there should be no reason to stop her from being a whistle-blower. She can well hide herself, or just simply give more information to Conan/Shuichi/FBI who can easily bring down the BO if sufficient info is given.

Haibara also get's lectured about science by conan... tho she's the scientist... D:

There we see one of the numerous examples of Mr. Aoyama intently underrating Haibara. (Urgh)

[Nemomon]

Vermouth is relying on Conan/Shinichi to bring down the BO. She calls him silver bullet because of that.

Haibara hides behind Conan whenever there is someone suspicious. She's also mainly interacting with Conan. The other few other persons she interacts with are the DBs and Agasa and very few times Okiya. (imo that makes her pretty boring in that regard)
Ran at least talks with other people @_@

Spoiler:

What fails to persuade me to believe that Vermouth is on Conan's side is that she is not walking into a police station and confess what the BO is all about. If she's that popular & rich & skilled, there should be no reason to stop her from being a whistle-blower. She can well hide herself, or just simply give more information to Conan/Shuichi/FBI who can easily bring down the BO if sufficient info is given.

Spoiler:

Perhaps Vermouth just cannot herself bring the BO down or help anybody to bring it down. We know that she's blackmailed by at least one person (maybe there are more of them), and is super pretty close to the inner ring of power. Perhaps she cannot help to bring down the BO because her own life depends whether the BO exists or not. After all she's not aging. Maybe that's a permanent effect, or maybe once in a while she must take drugs, or visit a "forever-young" chamber that is hidden somewhere in the BO original hideout.

I'm pretty sure she has her own reasons why she wants to see the BO destroyed, but without her involvement.

[Christcc9]

Now we're talking a very interesting topic. Who cares about Ran

[Mario2000]

Who cares about Ran

I do. While in fiction characters like Ai and Vermouth make many people more interested, in real life I would prefer to have a friend like Ran rather than one like Ai, and surely not one like Vermouth.