Why do people dislike Ran?

[Kudo Shinchi]

@saorin Haha, thank you! I think being as unrelentingly optimistic as I am is both a blessing and a curse. On the one hand, I think it makes me easier to enjoy shows since I always focus more on the positive than the negative, and on the other, it makes it all the more cruel and devastating when the show completely crushes your expectations and optimism (which has happened to me a few times). The funny thing is that I'm actually pretty cynical when it comes to real life; it's when it comes to shows that I become Mr. Positive. I just want to make sure that my positive opinion is backed up by solid reasoning and canon facts, which, in this case, I think it was. I hope I don't eat my word in a few years...

Being cynical isn't so bad...you're always prepared for the worse, which is more than I can say for myself

[coolshiho2]

Ran cries too much. I'm sick and tired of her crying. And her character is just one dimensional...Can't find any cool point. She has strong physical attack power but her mentality is too weak. She's cling to Shinichi too much. I think she should be more independent. Shinichi is NOT her husband, not even lover - just childhood friend. She is like Gin - "female Yandere" for Shinichi. I think Shinici must be unhappy with Ran at the end because their different characters. Pardon my grammatical errors, English is not my first language.

[Suhooo]

@coolshiho2 My thoughts exactly.

Ran is too dependent on Shinichi... remember London when she shouted in public? I mean who would even dare shouting out that loud where everyone can hear her and it's not even Japan?? (If you're a traveler on a foreign country behave yourself!) She should better learn how to handle her temper better than that. It looked quite rude to me.

For the Episode 400, I think it was VERY odd either -_-;; sorry but I do not like Ran at all. Who would bother hacking her not-even-a boyfriend's cellphone in the late night like that? She tried 0000~2000s for around solid 2 hours in the midnight (I was surprised that his cellphone wasn't broken down by that point), and not many people have the perseverance to do that...
She was pissed in that episode after she found out that the password was not her DOB. Why did she have to be???

Sorry for openly revealing my dislike on her... but yeah (Not to mention that I didn't even read the whole thread due to the length... )

[Serinox]

Ran cries too much. I'm sick and tired of her crying. And her character is just one dimensional...Can't find any cool point. She is so strong physical power but her mentality is too weak. She's cling to Shinichi too much. I think she should be more independent. Shinichi is NOT her husband, not even lover - just childhood friend. She is like Gin - "female Yandere" for Shinichi. I think Shinici must be unhappy with Ran at the end because their different characters. Pardon my grammatical errors, English is not my first language.

When was the last time Ran actually cried? Last time I remembered was London Arc, which was over 4 years ago (I don't count the Aquarium Case for this because it was a flashback).

Her mentality is too weak? We even get two mentions in the series how emotionally strong Ran is, considering she's still suffering from her parents seperation and then her best friend, whom she knew for a majority of her life, whom she sees almost every day in these years and who is also her first love suddenly disappears and is still gone till this day. Yet, Ran still tries to be the most happy person she can for her surrounding, still doesn't lose hope or get overly depressed or anything.

And where is she not independent enough? She run's a three person household pretty much on her own (except for earning the money), besides school and her other daily life. Sure, she misses Shinichi and she spends a good amount of time thinking about him, but that doesn't mean she just quit her social life. She is still captain of the karate team, she still meets her friends etc. Also, she doesn't cling to him, he clings to her. He told her to wait for him, not any other way around.

Ran is too dependent on Shinichi... remember London when she shouted in public? I mean who would even dare shouting out that loud where everyone can hear her and it's not even Japan?? (If you're a traveler on a foreign country behave yourself!) She should better learn how to handle her temper better than that. It looked quite rude to me.

For the Episode 400, I think it was VERY odd either -_-;; sorry but I do not like Ran at all. Who would bother hacking her not-even-a boyfriend's cellphone in the late night like that? She tried 0000~2000s for around solid 2 hours in the midnight (I was surprised that his cellphone wasn't broken down by that point), and not many people have the perseverance to do that...
She was pissed in that episode after she found out that the password was not her DOB. Why did she have to be???

I don't quite see the connection between being too dependent on Shinichi and her shouting. She was just angry/desperate, doesn't have anything to do with dependence.

She bothered to "hack" (quotation marks, because I don't consider trying numbers quite randomly counts as hacking) his phone, because it was likely that he has been lying to her and living under the same roof with for a very long time. If you had serious suspicions in that direction, wouldn't you want to be sure?

Also, Ran wasn't pissed off that the pin wasn't her birthday, she was frustrated because she didn't figure out the pin and hadn't had any other idea of what the code might be and had to resort to trying out every combination.

[Nemomon]

how emotionally strong Ran is, considering she's still suffering from her parents seperation and then her best friend, [...] disappears and is still gone till this day.

The separation happened a while ago. She had enough time to habit to that. Plus, she's ~17 yo. She's not a small child, she's about to be an adult. I have no idea how can she - still - suffer from her parents separation. The only thing she could suffer from is that she ended with Kogoru. I have no idea how this happened, the judge on the court had to be blind....

About Shinichi... as we all know, not a whole year has happened since he disappeared, and he often calls to her (granted, she forces him to do so, but still she knows he's still alive). Plus, recently she's busy with a small chibiske, so her free time to think about others is strongly reduced.

And where is she not independent enough? She run's a three person household pretty much on her own (except for earning the money), besides school and her other daily life. Sure, she misses Shinichi and she spends a good amount of time thinking about him, but that doesn't mean she just quit her social life. She is still captain of the karate team, she still meets her friends etc. Also, she doesn't cling to him, he clings to her. He told her to wait for him, not any other way around.

Indeed, she keeps the house clean and kicking, so at least she's responsible. Still she's doing that or otherwise she could die in this whole mess (along with Kogorou) as well if she would ignore it and do nothing.

She quit her social life. Probably permanently. The only ones she meets are Sonoko and Sera, and Sera is interested in her only because she needs to be close to Conan. And it is Ran who clings to Shinichi, not vice evrsa. Shinichi probably would never call to her if she would not force him. Plus, if she would not cry about him, she probably would turn insane.

[Serinox]

She quit her social life. Probably permanently. The only ones she meets are Sonoko and Sera, and Sera is interested in her only because she needs to be close to Conan.

This is just a thing with Gosho's storytelling. We see in the few times we get an insight into her High School life that she indeed has friends there. She isn't as close with anyone as Sonoko sure, but still. She has a social life, but Gosho doesn't show it. Similar to Kazuha, as we see only once that she actually has other friends than Heiji, but Gosho just doesn't show us that, because it isn't important to what he wants to tell us.

[chibilove373]

Her mentality is too weak? We even get two mentions in the series how emotionally strong Ran is, considering she's still suffering from her parents seperation and then her best friend, whom she knew for a majority of her life, whom she sees almost every day in these years and who is also her first love suddenly disappears and is still gone till this day. Yet, Ran still tries to be the most happy person she can for her surrounding, still doesn't lose hope or get overly depressed or anything.

Also, she doesn't cling to him, he clings to her. He told her to wait for him, not any other way around.

I like what you said about in your first paragraph, I agree as well but I don't think she's the most unfortunate character in the whole series or anything... Well I may be biased but honestly Haibara is... She is the most f-ed up character in the whole series. Ran's parents divorced and she lost her Shinichi? There are so many people who have divorced parents and hers is on the good side- they both love each other a lot and they care about her. Ran losing Shinichi is not that end-of-the-world, it's only been half a year (in their world) and he always comes to rescue her, going by the pace of the anime/manga/movie pace, she at least sees, hears from him once a fortnight.

But honestly, what does Haibara have? She LOST (not divorced) BOTH her parents, and her sister whom she loved so dearly. All her family members are deceased. She was forced to continue developing the drug at such a young age which became used for horrifying purposes. She lives in constant fear of the day the BO will come and hunt her down. She was even ostracised as a child due to her ethnicity and never had friends. She was FORCED to murderer the lives of so many people by the drug (although its real purpose was not), she regrets making that drug so much and she is trying to find a way to repay Conan. She sometimes works up until late at night to find data for the drug. She even tried to commit suicide, the first time when she was chained at the BO, and the second time in the bus high-jacking incident (but was later saved by Conan). At the top of my head she is the most deprived character.

Surely, yeah she made friends and has Conan and Hakase, etc. but still her emotional wall probably will never be completely broken down because of all those traumatic experiences.


But I just wanted to state I really like Ran's sense of justice especially in the episode where this guy with bombs around him barged into the detective agency with 3 suspects- I found it really touching when she closed the curtains so that the policemen could not shoot him.

Oh and about ShinRan they both cling to each other by the way :3

[Wakarimashita]

Her mentality is too weak? We even get two mentions in the series how emotionally strong Ran is, considering she's still suffering from her parents seperation and then her best friend, whom she knew for a majority of her life, whom she sees almost every day in these years and who is also her first love suddenly disappears and is still gone till this day. Yet, Ran still tries to be the most happy person she can for her surrounding, still doesn't lose hope or get overly depressed or anything.

Also, she doesn't cling to him, he clings to her. He told her to wait for him, not any other way around.

I like what you said about in your first paragraph, I agree as well but I don't think she's the most unfortunate character in the whole series or anything... Well I may be biased but honestly Haibara is... She is the most f-ed up character in the whole series. Ran's parents divorced and she lost her Shinichi? There are so many people who have divorced parents and hers is on the good side- they both love each other a lot and they care about her. Ran losing Shinichi is not that end-of-the-world, it's only been half a year (in their world) and he always comes to rescue her, going by the pace of the anime/manga/movie pace, she at least sees, hears from him once a fortnight.

But honestly, what does Haibara have? She LOST (not divorced) BOTH her parents, and her sister whom she loved so dearly. All her family members are deceased. She was forced to continue developing the drug at such a young age which became used for horrifying purposes. She lives in constant fear of the day the BO will come and hunt her down. She was even ostracised as a child due to her ethnicity and never had friends. She was FORCED to murderer the lives of so many people by the drug (although its real purpose was not), she regrets making that drug so much and she is trying to find a way to repay Conan. She sometimes works up until late at night to find data for the drug. She even tried to commit suicide, the first time when she was chained at the BO, and the second time in the bus high-jacking incident (but was later saved by Conan). At the top of my head she is the most deprived character.

Surely, yeah she made friends and has Conan and Hakase, etc. but still her emotional wall probably will never be completely broken down because of all those traumatic experiences.


But I just wanted to state I really like Ran's sense of justice especially in the episode where this guy with bombs around him barged into the detective agency with 3 suspects- I found it really touching when she closed the curtains so that the policemen could not shoot him.

Oh and about ShinRan they both cling to each other by the way :3

See, I thought the opposite. Sure, it might make Ran a character with a great sense of justice, but it also makes her in this situation either very naive or very stupid. If I was a hostage and someone did the same thing as Ran did, I would seriously want to shoot them...In such a situation, where it could end up being my life or the guy with the bombs attached to him's life, I'd choose to keep my life, probably like most people.

[kkslider5552000]

Honestly...recently Ran has been written better (mainly by doing literally anything of note at all other than being Shinichi obsessed). It hasn't actively addressed some of these issues, but it's a good start at least.

Also, I'm not sure I mentioned this before, but I do have some hope beyond just some thankfully less awful character writing. I remember something Haibara said a while ago that kinda hinted at the problems with the relationship. And considering some of what Gosho has said about Haibara...is Gosho aware of these issues? I honestly wonder. Writers are frequently not unaware of flaws in their stories and Gosho does have a tough schedule. Between that and how long the series has gone on, I could easily see Gosho just writing whatever ShinRan crap he has to to make fans happy even though it's entirely pointless and just there to remind people this relationship is still a thing. I say this because even with the flaws it has, the London case is still waaaay better than most recent stuff involving this. Even with any issues you have with it, the emotions felt genuine instead of...I guess embarassing and utterly boring like most recent ShinRan stuff. And I have to assume it's because it was something he had wanted to write for quite a while, as opposed to character development-less filler. So I wonder if that's the issue, that because Gosho has taken so long to get to the good stuff that he had to write stuff that unintentionally hurt his characters. I mean I'm sure that's part of it regardless, but it would explain a lot. To add to that, it's very odd that he writes Takagi and Sato so much better and it makes me wonder if Gosho is actually writing Ran and Shinichi as a stupid teen couple intentionally. It would make sense...except that it kinda contradicts my previous point.

[coolshiho2]

London case , Shinichi's mobile hacking case - I can't understand her overreaction.

Doesn't she know the least of what's called common courtesy?

I wonder Gosho's hidden intentions.

And this : Two Mysteries on a Night with a Full Moon (Ep 345)

Oops! She stole into trunk of Jodie's car - just because her "O my dear Shinichi" case.



Her obsession with Shinichi in all episodes...just creeps me out.

Sunflowers of Inferno, detective conan movie 19, was released today and Ran cries again and again for Shinichi. OMG.

@coolshiho2 My thoughts exactly.

Ran is too dependent on Shinichi... remember London when she shouted in public? I mean who would even dare shouting out that loud where everyone can hear her and it's not even Japan?? (If you're a traveler on a foreign country behave yourself!) She should better learn how to handle her temper better than that. It looked quite rude to me.

For the Episode 400, I think it was VERY odd either -_-;; sorry but I do not like Ran at all. Who would bother hacking her not-even-a boyfriend's cellphone in the late night like that? She tried 0000~2000s for around solid 2 hours in the midnight (I was surprised that his cellphone wasn't broken down by that point), and not many people have the perseverance to do that...
She was pissed in that episode after she found out that the password was not her DOB. Why did she have to be???

Sorry for openly revealing my dislike on her... but yeah (Not to mention that I didn't even read the whole thread due to the length... )

[Nemomon]

To add to that, it's very odd that he writes Takagi and Sato so much better and it makes me wonder if Gosho is actually writing Ran and Shinichi as a stupid teen couple intentionally.

Maybe Gosho is tired of ShinRan, and wants to show us a real love story between Takagi and Sato. Or perhaps he wants to teach Ran and Shinichi what love really is by showing them a couple that had much more serious issues, but in the end they managed to be together.

[Uchiha Shadow]

In my opinion, I think Ran is really exaggerating the issue with Shinichi, she makes it sound like her lover has been gone for 5 years and he is in a war, like seriously, it hasn't even been a year since that happened and he returned a few times not to mention that he calls her every once in a while, besides their relationship in the beginning wasn't all that serious for her to be so sad that Shinichi went to solve some case, well, overall I don't really dislike Ran, it's just that she's making too much of a drama of the situation imo.

[Silverbullet96]

Her mentality is too weak? We even get two mentions in the series how emotionally strong Ran is, considering she's still suffering from her parents seperation and then her best friend, whom she knew for a majority of her life, whom she sees almost every day in these years and who is also her first love suddenly disappears and is still gone till this day. Yet, Ran still tries to be the most happy person she can for her surrounding, still doesn't lose hope or get overly depressed or anything.

You're exaggerating, the divorce situation is not even that bad, they both always loved each other and still do. About Shinichi for her he is just out on an important case and he does call every now and then, again you put it in an exaggerated manner, she was weirded out & worried by his sudden disappearance in the very beginning but after that she's just unhappy that he's not with her.

[Antiyonder]

Yeah when it comes to Ran and her missing Shinichi, I think that tends to be a byproduct of having the series going on for this long, while trying to keep the events happening within the space of a short time or to have no time passing.

I mean the official line we have is that only a year or at least half of one passed, but surely between all arc relevant events going on (whether Black Organization or character development), some more time should have passed.

[Mario2000]

I agree with most people the same things have been going on too long, including Ran's nostalgia for Shinichi (if we don't consider that it's just one year). But, however annoying it may seem, I think in real life it would be amazing to have a girlfriend/boyfriend that faithful. I mean, loving somebody from childhood and never "stepping aside from this path" is worthy of admiration in my opinion. The sad thing is that Gosho has become too lazy and doesn't deepen the character development, not all the great potential that such a pairing could have is fully exploited.