OVA 9

[Soragirl6]

He's having the time of his life as Conan. He's living with the person he cares about most, even taking  her for granted (14.1-p3), and solving all the cases he comes across. Sure, he feels bad when he sees her crying about him, but he's never actually acted on what he said to Haibara. It's nowhere close to Ran's situation, never knowing when she'll get to see him again, and for a good part of the story never knowing when she'll even hear his voice again. So far the sacrifice is mostly hers.

If, as I suspect, he'll eventually have to choose between Ran and a life as a lone wolf detective then I'd give him respect for making a permanent sacrifice he'll regret at least a bit no matter the choice. I'd still probably see him as presumptuous and disrespectful if he has time to give Ran a chance to make an informed choice whether to share the danger and doesn't let her choose, but I'd still respect it as making a tough sacrifice for her sake.

By the way, I doubt someone in Ran's situation would ever just forget about Shin'ichi if he just disappeared, even if romance weren't involved. It would be too much like losing a close relative. Heck, I've seen folks crying about lost pets when they're reminded of them years later .

Well, I don´t think Shinichi is having the time of his life. Sure he is living with Ran but not as himself.
If I were him, I would have already been crushed by the possibility of losing my idenity. I don´t think he found his life to be that bad.
But this matter isn´t even adressed. The only reason Shinichi wants to return to his usual self seems to be Ran. 
And even if he is able to destroy the BO, there is also the question if Ran will "forgive" him.
I´m not trying to talk Ran´s situation down, but I don´t know how it is even comparable to Shinichi´s.

Well, Shinchi had a good life. He had a lot of fan girls, he could solve cases easily, he was perfect; who wouldn't want to return to that life? Added the arrogant dude like that Ran loves him and doesn't want her liking someone else. I don't think Shinchi cares either way whether he ends up with Ran or not. But his ego is liking the love. I think he's forced to tell Ran something cause she's always crying and stuff. Thats how it looks.
Ran's situation is not nearly bad as Shinchi's. In fact she's in the best situation she could possibly be in, with no reference to anything.
Shinchi as Conan is a better person mainly because the people he's around. People can change your behavior. Ran makes him arrogant and everyone else in Shinchi's life. The people in Conan's life don't need him as much and Haibara is more serious. That is when the real Shinchi Kudo comes out. Ran will forever get the arrogant one.
But in a way he would have changed a little because of his experiences, but that might not be the man Ran supposedly fell in love with. So Ran is going to suffer either way....yet, her suffering is her own for waiting for an idiot. Thats a high school girl for ya.  I'm a more grown up girl. I know how young girls get when emotions take over...then they grow up and say 'what was I thinking?'

[kkslider5552000]

well apparently (not really a spoiler but whatever)...

Spoiler:

yep...Araide didn't die after the Secret Road to School

[Soragirl6]

Someone who cares about her? That Shinichi cares so much about Ran is actually the reason why they got in this situation in the first place.
Sexism much? Just because he´s guy doesn´t mean that he isn´t suffering just as much as Ran- or a lot more.
Shinichi prooved many times that he cares more about Ran´s feelings and well-being than about his own. Does the fear that Ran might forget about him immediately makes him an egoist?
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Shinchi was arrogant around her even before the events! The only reason why he cares who she's with cause Shinchi loves to be loved. Shinchi isn't madly in love with Ran but he knows that all that "boohoo" Ran does is all over him. I don't think he cares whether he ends up dating the chick or not. Shinchi has an ego that is so obvious. Shinchi knows that Ran loves him the most so he's lovin it, but when he had a dream she forgot him, he got all paranoid. Nobody likes to be forgotten. That doesn't prove he's in love with her. The whole forcing himself to tell Ran he loves her doesn't even seem romantic, especially cause he wasn't trying to do all that before. It looks like pity. An egoist hates to be forgotten but even more so to be hated. Shinchi isn't suffering over her....he just wants his perfect life back. He was perfect for crying out loud! Matter of fact when he returns he definitely won't be suffering over solving cases instead of being with Ran. Like I said he does that cause he loves it and apparently he loves his ambitions over her. She'll always be second best in his heart, so she needs to quit acting stupid and grow up. She wants so badly to fall in love, but love has blinded her. She'll be miserable with him. Trust me. He got in the situation because he loves to solve cases and got that pill down his throat.
And note: That has nothing to do with him being a guy. Did you read when I said that she could actually get a guy that would PAY ATTENTION to her? Shinchi is just one guy she needs to leave alone, and Shinchi needs to leave her alone because he likes a little space.  He only cares about her feelings because she looks pitiful sitting there crying all the time. Who wouldn't want to comfort you when all you do is cry?

[kkslider5552000]

Shinchi was arrogant around her even before the events! The only reason why he cares who she's with cause Shinchi loves to be loved. Shinchi isn't madly in love with Ran but he knows that all that "boohoo" Ran does is all over him. I don't think he cares whether he ends up dating the chick or not. Shinchi has an ego that is so obvious. Shinchi knows that Ran loves him the most so he's lovin it, but when he had a dream she forgot him, he got all paranoid. Nobody likes to be forgotten. That doesn't prove he's in love with her. The whole forcing himself to tell Ran he loves her doesn't even seem romantic, especially cause he wasn't trying to do all that before. It looks like pity. An egoist hates to be forgotten but even more so to be hated. Shinchi isn't suffering over her....he just wants his perfect life back. He was perfect for crying out loud! Matter of fact when he returns he definitely won't be suffering over solving cases instead of being with Ran. Like I said he does that cause he loves it and apparently he loves his ambitions over her. She'll always be second best in his heart, so she needs to quit acting stupid and grow up. She wants so badly to fall in love, but love has blinded her. She'll be miserable with him. Trust me. He got in the situation because he loves to solve cases and got that pill down his throat.
And note: That has nothing to do with him being a guy. Did you read when I said that she could actually get a guy that would PAY ATTENTION to her? Shinchi is just one guy she needs to leave alone, and Shinchi needs to leave her alone because he likes a little space.  He only cares about her feelings because she looks pitiful sitting there crying all the time. Who wouldn't want to comfort you when all you do is cry?

I could prove you wrong. However...

(I'm breaking the mold.... I HATE Shinichi as a character. You will recall, first episode, he was a pompous egotistical jerk. However... Kudo, as Conan, I also hate. As stated above, it just isn't right....)

how dary you talke abut shinichi like that  he is not a jerk it just he fell bord when he is not with someone in the same lvl of Intelligent and Interest(Ran) .

he will not change if you saw ep 193 when he reternd to his adult form he was the same cool guy .

have nic day everyone.

You really need a lesson in reading between the lines... Yes, in the desperate revival arc he still thinks he is better than everyone. But you fail to realize that with the success of the medicine, he thought he was home free. Haibara never mentioned the fact that there was a time limit. That was the first step of his real development, as it was then that he tried to resolve to tell Ran his feelings, but was cut short. He learned not to take anything for granted I'm sure after that blunder.

You'll notice subsequent times he gets his body back hes different each time, more mature, taking less for granted. Its Gosho's cruel hand that prevents him from revealing his feelings to Ran. Also in later times he returned to his body he was less pompous, getting to the point right away, not beating around the bush, or trying to play on to anyone.

Lets look at that: First time, He went out of his way to insult Heiji, there was certainly a better way to say "i'm right, your wrong" but he chose to insult Heiji's integrity. Second time, desperate revival: First he was the same pompous jerk because he thought the medicine worked perfect, so he played to his fans, made the police feel stupid and so fourth. The second time, he started to revert back during his investigation, wanting to tell Ran his feelings he got to the point. Didn't play to anyone but the criminal, but any detective would have done that, I mean really the guy was an idiot. Third time (and final time as far as we know thus far) Kudo is not as pompous here. He reveals the truth, in both cases without the fanfare, showing more maturity than he has before. Never did get time alone with Ran (shame).

Every time he regained his body, he got a bit more maturity. He is changing for the better.  You fail to see it, because you are not taking into account his growth as a person.

BTW... He IS a pompous jerk. He really really is. In the first episode he was so full of himself. He was laughing at himself because he was so popular. Conan isn't because he is a kid, and he was humbled by nearly getting killed (what a way to get knocked off your high horse). By the time we reach the present, he has failed numerous times against the BO, and once without the BO involvement. He is literally forgotten by almost everyone. He is constantly being humbled, and there is no better medicine for a pompous egotistical jerk than failure. Realizing he is not perfect.

Remember his famous quote (paraphrasing) "Idiot, a detective that corners a criminal and allows them to commit suicide is the same as a murderer" Heiji: "Only someone as perfect as you could say that" Conan (inner monologue if i recall) "No... even I once...." [remembers moonlight sonata case]

Note: Also it is not about intelligence, at least not most of the time. He had friends in his school, he's mentioned them before. I'm sure they weren't as intelligent, though probably from soccer mostly. And if it WERE about intelligence, do you honestly think he would even notice Genta? Hell if he was really all about intelligence, then he wouldn't have had one friend as Conan until Haibara was introduced, as she is the only one who is of, as you say, "the same level of intelligence." In fact, if intelligence were indeed the case (excluding his one love Ran, his mother, and clients) the only people he would consort with are Heiji, Yuusaku, Haibara, Kaito Kuroba (so long as he wasn't stealing anything), Hakuba and select police officers (though admittedly he'd deal with them anyway because he wants to become a detective).

Now think about how he has changed over the course of the 686 files of manga, and 530 some episodes. And tell me, honestly you do not see a difference from File 1 (or ep 1) to current. I would find that hard to believe if you don't.

Detective eyes: I'd like to offer you this advice... When making an argument, evidence is needed. Saying "ep 193" is one instance and one look into the character. Any argument needs several pieces of evidence to hold. You can't convict a criminal just because his fingerprints were left at the scene with no other backing evidence that leads back to him. Also, it helps when making an argument to use this great language called "English." It involves capital letters, punctuation, proper spelling (hell most web browsers help with that by having an integrated spell check!(so even if you are not a native speaker, just download an English dictionary to your browser and check the spelling so at least that will be somewhat right)), and proper grammar. If you don't you just sound like an idiot, who is a Shinichi fanboy just because he is a bit "cool."

Thank you, have a NICE day

thanks, Kyuu-tan!

[kyuuketsuki]

Someone who cares about her? That Shinichi cares so much about Ran is actually the reason why they got in this situation in the first place.
Sexism much? Just because he´s guy doesn´t mean that he isn´t suffering just as much as Ran- or a lot more.
Shinichi prooved many times that he cares more about Ran´s feelings and well-being than about his own. Does the fear that Ran might forget about him immediately makes him an egoist?

Shinchi was arrogant around her even before the events! The only reason why he cares who she's with cause Shinchi loves to be loved. Shinchi isn't madly in love with Ran but he knows that all that "boohoo" Ran does is all over him. I don't think he cares whether he ends up dating the chick or not. Shinchi has an ego that is so obvious. Shinchi knows that Ran loves him the most so he's lovin it, but when he had a dream she forgot him, he got all paranoid. Nobody likes to be forgotten. That doesn't prove he's in love with her. The whole forcing himself to tell Ran he loves her doesn't even seem romantic, especially cause he wasn't trying to do all that before. It looks like pity. An egoist hates to be forgotten but even more so to be hated. Shinchi isn't suffering over her....he just wants his perfect life back. He was perfect for crying out loud! Matter of fact when he returns he definitely won't be suffering over solving cases instead of being with Ran. Like I said he does that cause he loves it and apparently he loves his ambitions over her. She'll always be second best in his heart, so she needs to quit acting stupid and grow up. She wants so badly to fall in love, but love has blinded her. She'll be miserable with him. Trust me. He got in the situation because he loves to solve cases and got that pill down his throat.
And note: That has nothing to do with him being a guy. Did you read when I said that she could actually get a guy that would PAY ATTENTION to her? Shinchi is just one guy she needs to leave alone, and Shinchi needs to leave her alone because he likes a little space.  He only cares about her feelings because she looks pitiful sitting there crying all the time. Who wouldn't want to comfort you when all you do is cry?

You know I'd agree with you normally, except that one case... Something about Shinichi's first love. For the purpose of proving my point I'll just link to three pages courtesy of OneManga.

http://media.onemanga.com/mangas/000001 ... 175/16.jpg
http://media.onemanga.com/mangas/000001 ... 175/17.jpg
http://media.onemanga.com/mangas/000001 ... 175/18.jpg

So what part of that indicates that he doesn't love Ran? So therefore he does... He's tried to tell her several times when he's returned to full size, but failed each time due to lack of time [yea that's conjecture, but it's pretty well implied]. Though I think he'd be much better with Haibara, he's pretty set on getting with Ran in the end, unless he some how gets closer to Ai in this time...

If you can find evidence that he doesn't love her, I'd really like to see it.

[ShinRan36]

Someone who cares about her? That Shinichi cares so much about Ran is actually the reason why they got in this situation in the first place.
Sexism much? Just because he´s guy doesn´t mean that he isn´t suffering just as much as Ran- or a lot more.
Shinichi prooved many times that he cares more about Ran´s feelings and well-being than about his own. Does the fear that Ran might forget about him immediately makes him an egoist?

Shinchi was arrogant around her even before the events! The only reason why he cares who she's with cause Shinchi loves to be loved. Shinchi isn't madly in love with Ran but he knows that all that "boohoo" Ran does is all over him. I don't think he cares whether he ends up dating the chick or not. Shinchi has an ego that is so obvious. Shinchi knows that Ran loves him the most so he's lovin it, but when he had a dream she forgot him, he got all paranoid. Nobody likes to be forgotten. That doesn't prove he's in love with her. The whole forcing himself to tell Ran he loves her doesn't even seem romantic, especially cause he wasn't trying to do all that before. It looks like pity. An egoist hates to be forgotten but even more so to be hated. Shinchi isn't suffering over her....he just wants his perfect life back. He was perfect for crying out loud! Matter of fact when he returns he definitely won't be suffering over solving cases instead of being with Ran. Like I said he does that cause he loves it and apparently he loves his ambitions over her. She'll always be second best in his heart, so she needs to quit acting stupid and grow up. She wants so badly to fall in love, but love has blinded her. She'll be miserable with him. Trust me. He got in the situation because he loves to solve cases and got that pill down his throat.
And note: That has nothing to do with him being a guy. Did you read when I said that she could actually get a guy that would PAY ATTENTION to her? Shinchi is just one guy she needs to leave alone, and Shinchi needs to leave her alone because he likes a little space.  He only cares about her feelings because she looks pitiful sitting there crying all the time. Who wouldn't want to comfort you when all you do is cry?

You know I'd agree with you normally, except that one case... Something about Shinichi's first love. For the purpose of proving my point I'll just link to three pages courtesy of OneManga.

http://media.onemanga.com/mangas/000001 ... 175/16.jpg
http://media.onemanga.com/mangas/000001 ... 175/17.jpg
http://media.onemanga.com/mangas/000001 ... 175/18.jpg

So what part of that indicates that he doesn't love Ran? So therefore he does... He's tried to tell her several times when he's returned to full size, but failed each time due to lack of time [yea that's conjecture, but it's pretty well implied]. Though I think he'd be much better with Haibara, he's pretty set on getting with Ran in the end, unless he some how gets closer to Ai in this time...

If you can find evidence that he doesn't love her, I'd really like to see it.

Yes Id also really like to see it.
There cant be any evidence in my opinion.
Why would he risk his own life for her many times, if he doesnt love her ?
You just want him to be an egoist because you hate ran, thats why you want to see him so, but you know that you are wrong.

[Xela]

Shinchi was arrogant around her even before the events! The only reason why he cares who she's with cause Shinchi loves to be loved. Shinchi isn't madly in love with Ran but he knows that all that "boohoo" Ran does is all over him. I don't think he cares whether he ends up dating the chick or not. Shinchi has an ego that is so obvious. Shinchi knows that Ran loves him the most so he's lovin it, but when he had a dream she forgot him, he got all paranoid. Nobody likes to be forgotten. That doesn't prove he's in love with her. The whole forcing himself to tell Ran he loves her doesn't even seem romantic, especially cause he wasn't trying to do all that before. It looks like pity. An egoist hates to be forgotten but even more so to be hated. Shinchi isn't suffering over her....he just wants his perfect life back. He was perfect for crying out loud! Matter of fact when he returns he definitely won't be suffering over solving cases instead of being with Ran. Like I said he does that cause he loves it and apparently he loves his ambitions over her. She'll always be second best in his heart, so she needs to quit acting stupid and grow up. She wants so badly to fall in love, but love has blinded her. She'll be miserable with him. Trust me. He got in the situation because he loves to solve cases and got that pill down his throat.
And note: That has nothing to do with him being a guy. Did you read when I said that she could actually get a guy that would PAY ATTENTION to her? Shinchi is just one guy she needs to leave alone, and Shinchi needs to leave her alone because he likes a little space.  He only cares about her feelings because she looks pitiful sitting there crying all the time. Who wouldn't want to comfort you when all you do is cry?

Excuse me, but... what? First: Where´s your evidence?
I know there are many people who just label Shinichi to be the "arrogant jerk and egoist", but I personally think that you´re way off limits.
>Shinchi isn't suffering over her....he just wants his perfect life back.
The times we see a miserable Shinichi is when Ran is crying over him. It´s just heavily implied whereas there is no scene about him showing fear of losing his current life (Just the time when he tried to speak to the members of the football club and they ignored him comes to my mind- that´s just one freaking panel) .
Yes, Shinichi is very self-confident and can be selfish at times- but you seriously need to reread the manga if you say that Shinichi can´t be selfless when it comes to Ran and that he doesn´t love her (IMO, he is idolizing her way too much, but that´s another topic...). Shinichi cares more about cases than about Ran...? Shinichi cares more about Ran than about his own life!
You can´t seriously tell me that you think the only reason why he would not be totally happy about Ran forgetting about him is that his ego is just too big to allow that.
>That has nothing to do with him being a guy.
Oh, yeah? And why is he always the "evil egoist who is just letting the precious Ran-chan wait, she should forget about that jerk!" while Ran is no Mother Theresa herself? If it´s not sexism, why are people giving so much more impact to Shinichi´s flaws than to Ran´s?

[ShinRan36]

Shinchi was arrogant around her even before the events! The only reason why he cares who she's with cause Shinchi loves to be loved. Shinchi isn't madly in love with Ran but he knows that all that "boohoo" Ran does is all over him. I don't think he cares whether he ends up dating the chick or not. Shinchi has an ego that is so obvious. Shinchi knows that Ran loves him the most so he's lovin it, but when he had a dream she forgot him, he got all paranoid. Nobody likes to be forgotten. That doesn't prove he's in love with her. The whole forcing himself to tell Ran he loves her doesn't even seem romantic, especially cause he wasn't trying to do all that before. It looks like pity. An egoist hates to be forgotten but even more so to be hated. Shinchi isn't suffering over her....he just wants his perfect life back. He was perfect for crying out loud! Matter of fact when he returns he definitely won't be suffering over solving cases instead of being with Ran. Like I said he does that cause he loves it and apparently he loves his ambitions over her. She'll always be second best in his heart, so she needs to quit acting stupid and grow up. She wants so badly to fall in love, but love has blinded her. She'll be miserable with him. Trust me. He got in the situation because he loves to solve cases and got that pill down his throat.
And note: That has nothing to do with him being a guy. Did you read when I said that she could actually get a guy that would PAY ATTENTION to her? Shinchi is just one guy she needs to leave alone, and Shinchi needs to leave her alone because he likes a little space.  He only cares about her feelings because she looks pitiful sitting there crying all the time. Who wouldn't want to comfort you when all you do is cry?

Excuse me, but... what? First: Where´s your evidence?
I know there are many people who just label Shinichi to be the "arrogant jerk and egoist", but I personally think that you´re way off limits.
>Shinchi isn't suffering over her....he just wants his perfect life back.
The times we see a miserable Shinichi is when Ran is crying over him. It´s just heavily implied whereas there is no scene about him showing fear of losing his current life (Just the time when he tried to speak to the members of the football club and they ignored him comes to my mind- that´s just one freaking panel) .
Yes, Shinichi is very self-confident and can be selfish at times- but you seriously need to reread the manga if you say that Shinichi can´t be selfless when it comes to Ran and that he doesn´t love her (IMO, he is idolizing her way too much, but that´s another topic...). Shinichi cares more about cases than about Ran...? Shinichi cares more about Ran than about his own life!
You can´t seriously tell me that you think the only reason why he would not be totally happy about Ran forgetting about him is that his ego is just too big to allow that.
>That has nothing to do with him being a guy.
Oh, yeah? And why is he always the "evil egoist who is just letting the precious Ran-chan wait, she should forget about that jerk!" while Ran is no Mother Theresa herself? If it´s not sexism, why are people giving so much more impact to Shinichi´s flaws than to Ran´s?

You are right in alll what you have written..)

[Nyarl]

Oh, yeah? And why is he always the "evil egoist who is just letting the precious Ran-chan wait, she should forget about that jerk!" while Ran is no Mother Theresa herself? If it´s not sexism, why are people giving so much more impact to Shinichi´s flaws than to Ran´s?

I think you're misdirecting that. The two Soras think Ran is a pointless crybaby character who should just be written out of the story so Haibara can shine more. Heck, just look at how often Ran's crying was emphasized in what you responded to...

As for me, Shin'ichi's personality combined with his situation can get folks around him killed. Ran at her worst merely runs into traffic or off a cliff, or mistakenly threatens someone with assault. (And, in that latter case, Ran is still more likable than a lot of “strongâ€

[ranger]

sorry for resurrecting a pretty dead thread....but

I JUST SAW OVA 9!!!!!

As a pretty hardcore AixConan fan, i have to say, it was pretty touching with Shinichi and Ran, that she still waited for him for 10 years.

Well..onto the matter of haibara, here's some speculation:

Why wasn't she eating? maybe it was because she's trying to look skinnier to impress conan? XD

Also, you'd think haibara would be sort of happier and less cold with the detective boys and Conan..here's my theory:

Over the 10 years, conan couldn't get any leads with the BO, and the multiple prototypes gave him an immunity right? (that's what Ai said)  so maybe, Conan got really pissed off at Haibara, blaming her for the drug, etc etc, thus causing hostility among the two.  Because it really seemed like they weren't getting along when they were at the tree.  I've seen them a lot happier during the actual series as kids (age 7 for conan and age 8 for haibara).

Anyways, I enjoyed the OVA, best so far IMO, i liked the conanxAi scene when he grabbed her by the arm and kind of pushed her to the tree trunk :p

that is all, feel free to comment

[KaitoKid0]

Anyways, I enjoyed the OVA, best so far IMO, i liked the conanxAi scene when he grabbed her by the arm and kind of pushed her to the tree trunk :p

really you like that part ? i think it was a bad aiXconan moment..itwasn't funny, romantic, or cool at all...all it did was show how the old haibara was..aiXconan moments should be about their budding friendship/romance...that scene didnt help at all

[kirite]

Anyways, I enjoyed the OVA, best so far IMO, i liked the conanxAi scene when he grabbed her by the arm and kind of pushed her to the tree trunk :p

really you like that part ? i think it was a bad aiXconan moment..itwasn't funny, romantic, or cool at all...all it did was show how the old haibara was..aiXconan moments should be about their budding friendship/romance...that scene didnt help at all

Agreed, Conan PUSHED HAIBARA against a tree.  WTF.  *slaps him*  I mean maybe to some people that's romantic (see that in Shojo manga a lot) but I don't see what's so romantic about Conan being OOC rude.  I mean Holmes hates women but at least he's a gentleman to them always.  I call OOC on that.

I think the writing staff has something against Haibara!  Don't you guys?

I mean Haibara would normally flash a smile to the Detective boys or at least to Ayumi but in this special she's as cold as she was at the beginning.  Sitting down ignoring everyone and reading a fashion magazine.

Also Haibara is NOT EATING to slim her figure.  Considering how she always yells at Agasa to keep healthy I really doubt she'll do something so unhealthy.

I mean this is technically Shinichi's dream and hence it can be used as an excuse to why everyone is OOC.  But still!

Oh well at least I got to see Haibara in school uniform.  I wish they drew her as well as they drew Ayumi though.

[AgOkami]

Anyways, I enjoyed the OVA, best so far IMO, i liked the conanxAi scene when he grabbed her by the arm and kind of pushed her to the tree trunk :p

really you like that part ? i think it was a bad aiXconan moment..itwasn't funny, romantic, or cool at all...all it did was show how the old haibara was..aiXconan moments should be about their budding friendship/romance...that scene didnt help at all

Agreed, Conan PUSHED HAIBARA against a tree.  WTF.  *slaps him*  I mean maybe to some people that's romantic (see that in Shojo manga a lot) but I don't see what's so romantic about Conan being OOC rude.  I mean Holmes hates women but at least he's a gentleman to them always.  I call OOC on that.

I think the writing staff has something against Haibara!  Don't you guys?

I mean Haibara would normally flash a smile to the Detective boys or at least to Ayumi but in this special she's as cold as she was at the beginning.  Sitting down ignoring everyone and reading a fashion magazine.

Also Haibara is NOT EATING to slim her figure.  Considering how she always yells at Agasa to keep healthy I really doubt she'll do something so unhealthy.

I mean this is technically Shinichi's dream and hence it can be used as an excuse to why everyone is OOC.  But still!

Oh well at least I got to see Haibara in school uniform.  I wish they drew her as well as they drew Ayumi though.

Like you said, it's Shinichi's dream. And how often do we dream something logical? =P Anyway, I wouldn't call the way he acted towards her there rude or anything. He had "traveled" to the future, everyone acted as if he'd always been there, so of course he was very, very confused and upset.

[TheBlind]

Anyways, I enjoyed the OVA, best so far IMO, i liked the conanxAi scene when he grabbed her by the arm and kind of pushed her to the tree trunk :p

really you like that part ? i think it was a bad aiXconan moment..itwasn't funny, romantic, or cool at all...all it did was show how the old haibara was..aiXconan moments should be about their budding friendship/romance...that scene didnt help at all

Agreed, Conan PUSHED HAIBARA against a tree.  WTF.  *slaps him*  I mean maybe to some people that's romantic (see that in Shojo manga a lot) but I don't see what's so romantic about Conan being OOC rude.  I mean Holmes hates women but at least he's a gentleman to them always.  I call OOC on that.

I think the writing staff has something against Haibara!  Don't you guys?

I mean Haibara would normally flash a smile to the Detective boys or at least to Ayumi but in this special she's as cold as she was at the beginning.  Sitting down ignoring everyone and reading a fashion magazine.

Also Haibara is NOT EATING to slim her figure.  Considering how she always yells at Agasa to keep healthy I really doubt she'll do something so unhealthy.

I mean this is technically Shinichi's dream and hence it can be used as an excuse to why everyone is OOC.  But still!

Oh well at least I got to see Haibara in school uniform.  I wish they drew her as well as they drew Ayumi though.

Like you said, it's Shinichi's dream. And how often do we dream something logical? =P Anyway, I wouldn't call the way he acted towards her there rude or anything. He had "traveled" to the future, everyone acted as if he'd always been there, so of course he was very, very confused and upset.

Well that part of Shinichi's dream was logical. Haibara is into fashion, so in Conan's mind, her trying to keep slim during her high school years makes sense because that's what's fashionable(but not something the real Haibara would do).

Second thing that was off was Haibara's reaction to Conan after being pushed up against a tree. She had no reaction to it like it's not the first time Conan throws her around like a rag doll and then she shows minimal reaction to Conan talking like a lunatic(not very concerned about his state of mind). I theorized that this coldness that they both have towards each other came from a failed confession on Haibara's which never went away but ranger's theory fits better.

[AICHAN]

Well..onto the matter of haibara, here's some speculation:




Also, you'd think haibara would be sort of happier and less cold with the detective boys and Conan..here's my theory:

Over the 10 years, conan couldn't get any leads with the BO, and the multiple prototypes gave him an immunity right? (that's what Ai said)  so maybe, Conan got really pissed off at Haibara, blaming her for the drug, etc etc, thus causing hostility among the two.  Because it really seemed like they weren't getting along when they were at the tree.  I've seen them a lot happier during the actual series as kids (age 7 for conan and age 8 for haibara).

well i didn't like this ova because i found ai and conan very out of character,but after reading your explanation ,it could make sense! even if i really dislike how conan pushes ai on the tree(a bit rude for me,considering he was in his adult form,with more strengh)

also the hole  shinran thing was  really cute for me (waited for 10 years) but then again it didn't touch me ,because i found it too repetitive ,always the same "deja vu" scenario
and also i don't know how she didn't trust conan when he said "i'm shinichi" she had pictures of shinichi  as an highscool student ,and she didn't recognize him?someone can explain me that thing?

as a conclusion i have to say that i din't like this ova,cause there wasn't any improvement in aixconan nor shinxran relationship,and it was what i hoped!
but then again it was a dream so...it's understandable in a way