Why do people dislike Ran?

Shiromi · Post by **Shiromi** » March 5th, 2014, 4:02 am

When you start a topic thoughtfully, it's more likely that people will respond thoughtfully.

bluekaitou1412 · Post by **bluekaitou1412** » March 15th, 2014, 3:00 pm

I started to dislike Ran, I think, episodes after Haibara was introduced. Not because I like Haibara, that's a different thing, but because I thought that now the series has this "rival/anti-thesis" character Ran would finally, gradually develop into a more dynamic character. But it didn't happen, at times it got even worse.

Also, and okay, maybe this has been pointed a lot of times already, but she cries too much. Yes, I will argue with anyone who says that that's supposed to be part of her character. The Ran that is sad, and lonely, and have this longing eyes, and the half-smile, is for me a beautiful face; the crying, not so much.

caniran · Post by **caniran** » March 15th, 2014, 8:02 pm

Imo Ran rivals Sakura as the worst Manga/Anime character of all time.She is annoying as hell with her whole persona.You would think she would develop as a character after 100 Years but she is worse as the beginning!Its a shame that Shinichi loves her and will end up with her!

k11chi · Post by **k11chi** » March 15th, 2014, 9:10 pm

caniran wrote:Imo Ran rivals Sakura as the worst Manga/Anime character of all time.She is annoying as hell with her whole persona.You would think she would develop as a character after 100 Years but she is worse as the beginning!Its a shame that Shinichi loves her and will end up with her!

Well it's not that bad for Shinichi because atleast Ran is wife and mother material 100%

kkslider5552000 · Post by **kkslider5552000** » March 15th, 2014, 9:16 pm

I'm actually not one to frequently get annoyed at phrases like this but "wife material" is a bit...ugh...

The fact that you are probably right just adds to that.

k11chi · Post by **k11chi** » March 15th, 2014, 10:18 pm

It's also funny because during the fruit case (apple), Sera pushed Ran away when the case started and said that "From this point onwards, this is OUR territory" and Ran is like "Huh? What do you mean? d,b"

jalex26 · Post by **jalex26** » March 15th, 2014, 11:01 pm

You're right, they should put more scenes where Ran gets very angry or jealous like in the old episodes. I don't remember seeing that in newer ones. That will probably make her not so boring because it shows her other side and not just her usual "good girl" image. Other than that I like her. I like her childish side, like believing in ghosts, crying easily, and other childish stuff. It makes her cute, at least for me

Jd- · Post by **Jd-** » March 16th, 2014, 12:59 am

kkslider5552000 wrote:I'd like to make something else like this someday...

Lightning in a bottle, my friend.

mamato · Post by **mamato** » March 16th, 2014, 12:02 pm

ts a shame that Shinichi loves her and will end up with her!

Because beautiful loves only beautiful

themasq · Post by **themasq** » March 16th, 2014, 12:57 pm

I guess people dislike her because she's seen as a perfect girl, and it gets annoying for some people. Personally, I don't dislike her. I would say she's not one of my favorite characters, but I do like her, especially when she pulls off those awesome karate moves. And yes, I agree, she definitely has another side to her, but it's just not as developed or shown as much.

Antiyonder · Post by **Antiyonder** » March 16th, 2014, 3:08 pm

bluekaitou1412 wrote:I started to dislike Ran, I think, episodes after Haibara was introduced. Not because I like Haibara, that's a different thing, but because I thought that now the series has this "rival/anti-thesis" character Ran would finally, gradually develop into a more dynamic character. But it didn't happen, at times it got even worse.

Also, and okay, maybe this has been pointed a lot of times already, but she cries too much. Yes, I will argue with anyone who says that that's supposed to be part of her character. The Ran that is sad, and lonely, and have this longing eyes, and the half-smile, is for me a beautiful face; the crying, not so much.

Incidentally, someone on Detective Conan World made a post which after reading it again, arguably goes hand in hand with your post:

I've never given much thought about Ran and the romance in DC in general aside from it's okay, it's tolerable but things do change. I think Ran is basically the romance in DC, which I admit to have developed a dislike as I see it more because I see less relevance to her character and the romance as well. I understand however that she is supposed to be Shinichi's biggest motivation to get back to his original self but I find it less believable now perhaps because of the slow development. She's one ideal girl but she's too ideal to the point that she bores me. How about a believable flaw or maybe an impressive feature about her that no one has expected from her yet? I even had this thought that Ayumi is just a 7-year-old version of Ran and yet I see Ayumi as a better character than her.

While I don't know if I agree with that last bit, it drives home something I and others have stated.

Ran gets quite a bit of screentime and is obviously suppose to be an important character to the series. Yet more often than not, it feels like her importance is restricted to reminding us that Shinichi has a girl waiting for him at when his ordeal is over.

Haibara actually has more bearing on the plot, and Ayumi being part of the Detective Boys arguably does more with the screentime she has than Ran (especially as of late).

It goes back to a simple problem that's associated with the series going on this long. Take away the unfortunate implications (including the sexist vibes and selfishness), a character like Ran works or is at least more tolerable in a story that isn't even half as long as DC.

Best counter example I can point out is Keiko Yukimura Yu Yu Hakusho. She isn't the most significant character or for that matter the most well written love interest in a shonen manga/anime, but:

- She does come through in the early arc by keeping Yusuke's body safe for when he comes back to life.

- While she makes frequent appearances it's still not quite as much as Ran.

- More importantly, YYH is 19 volumes in the manga, and 112 episodes in the anime. Thus her overall appearances don't feel problematic or stale.

caniran · Post by **caniran** » March 17th, 2014, 9:57 am

I actually think that Ran is not a perfect Character because that she is so naive and cry´s a lot and is not the sharpest tool in the shed.The thing is that the Romance in DC is by far the weakest part of the story! Every Romance feels very childish and bland. Shinichi´s love for Ran destroys the good aspects of his personality as the reasoning of his love for her are because he knows her from the child days!

bluekaitou1412 · Post by **bluekaitou1412** » March 17th, 2014, 12:36 pm

k11chi wrote:Well it's not that bad for Shinichi because atleast Ran is wife and mother material 100%

Actually, it keeps me thinking on how, if they end up together (and they will, 90%), Shinichi would spend his days. I mean, I don't really see him starting up his own Detective Agency, with Ran being around to cook and clean and stuff. At least Eri is a lawyer, so okay, that woman's interesting. But Ran most likely wouldn't continue her karate after marriage. I think Shinichi would end up being bored with Ran around...

jalex26 · Post by **jalex26** » March 17th, 2014, 2:42 pm

bluekaitou1412 wrote:
k11chi wrote:Well it's not that bad for Shinichi because atleast Ran is wife and mother material 100%
Actually, it keeps me thinking on how, if they end up together (and they will, 90%), Shinichi would spend his days. I mean, I don't really see him starting up his own Detective Agency, with Ran being around to cook and clean and stuff. At least Eri is a lawyer, so okay, that woman's interesting. But Ran most likely wouldn't continue her karate after marriage. I think Shinichi would end up being bored with Ran around...

Ran can pursue acting. She got the looks and has a fair share of experience in acting (Desperate Revival and several other episodes I can't remember) Her ability to cry instantly can be a big asset for that and also her karate skill will be perfect for action scenes

She might become a Yukiko 2.0 or be as famous as Yoko-chan (Kogoro watching both of them in his small t.v. at his desk). She can also use her cooking skills to start a restaurant as a sideline lol.

Shiromi · Post by **Shiromi** » March 17th, 2014, 5:52 pm

bluekaitou1412 wrote:
k11chi wrote:Well it's not that bad for Shinichi because atleast Ran is wife and mother material 100%
Actually, it keeps me thinking on how, if they end up together (and they will, 90%), Shinichi would spend his days. I mean, I don't really see him starting up his own Detective Agency, with Ran being around to cook and clean and stuff. At least Eri is a lawyer, so okay, that woman's interesting. But Ran most likely wouldn't continue her karate after marriage. I think Shinichi would end up being bored with Ran around...

Goushou seems to really like active, ambitious women in his stories. Vermouth, Kisaki Eri, Satou-keiji, Youko, Nakamori Aoko, not to mention countless minor characters. Ran too is ambitious and competitive in her martial arts training, but we haven't gotten to see much of that lately. We've seen her being depressed because Shinichi is treating her like crap instead.