Possible Black Orginization Names

[Sakina]

Um.... well I'm no alcohol expert but off the top of my head I can think of rum, whiskey, wine, champagne.... does beer count?  That should be Mouri's code name.

eta: I'm much more used to using things like methanol or isobutanol.  On second thought.... Ethanol would be a fitting name for the Boss....
eta: I just brought organic chemistry into Conan didn't I.... I need to go rinse my brain.

ethanol is the alcohol used for human consumption, so it might be a fitting name for the boss, as it's what's behind all booze.

Exactly my point.  ^^

What about Jager?  The stuff that comes in the green bottles?

Jager would be a good name because it's amazing (as the boss's name should be), however I already dibsed that alcohol in a topic over in the manga board, so he can't have it.

Lol!  Well I already called dibs on Cherry Coke as my BO name.

Another code name, if you want to count it, is Silver Bullet i.e. Conan or Akai depending on who you're talking to.  Vermouth does like to give things alcohol codenames (the Silver Bullet can't be coincidental and she made that martini joke with Gin before) and I always assumed she had a hand in the naming of the others.  A Silver Bullet is also made with gin (I looked it up) which I find amusing since without Gin there would be no Conan and therefore no Silver Bullet. 

[kyuuketsuki]

Irish doesn't count... That was in a movie... Hence not created by Gosho...

Jager doesn't count because that is a brand, not a type of alcohol, nor a mix...

HOWEVER! Digestif spirit, which is what Jager is... is perfectly acceptable

Also @ Akonyl, I theorized that was Gosho's intent a while ago... It makes sense... and fits perfectly. And you are correct in that Gin is used in the original Martini... The variant of that is a Vodka martini.

A dry martini is made with Gin and Vermouth... Is Gosho trying to say something?

Edit #1:Apparently, according to a nice bartender, Jager is not an Aperitif, but a Digestif spirit. Which is basically an after dinner spirit.

Edit #2: Further reason that Jager is not to be considered unique is that it is a Kräuterlikör [According to Wiki]. Which is basically German herbal or spiced liquor.

So basically just because you haven't heard of the category or of the other liquors in said category, doesn't mean that it doesn't exist, and I stand by my decision that Jager is not to be considered an individual alcohol.

[Sakina]

A dry martini is made with Gin and Vermouth... Is Gosho trying to say something?

o.O  Yes... that was the joke. 

[Akonyl]

Irish doesn't count... That was in a movie... Hence not created by Gosho...

Jager doesn't count because that is a brand, not a type of alcohol, nor a mix...

HOWEVER! Apéritif, which is what Jager is... is perfectly acceptable

Also @ Akonyl, I theorized that was Gosho's intent a while ago... It makes sense... and fits perfectly. And you are correct in that Gin is used in the original Martini... The variant of that is a Vodka martini.

A dry martini is made with Gin and Vermouth... Is Gosho trying to say something?

jager may be made by a specific company, but I'd venture to say it counts as its own alcohol as well, since it's pretty unique, and there are a lot of mixed drinks that call for it specifically (whereas not many call for one specific brand of vodka over another, for example), so it holds its own imo.

And I think the "Silver Bullet" name may be a coincidence for the most part, since she also named Ran "Angel", which afaik isn't a drink's name by itself. I'd guess that it just happens to be the name of a mixed drink because there's so many mixed drinks that exist.

[Conia]

And I think the "Silver Bullet" name may be a coincidence for the most part, since she also named Ran "Angel", which afaik isn't a drink's name by itself. I'd guess that it just happens to be the name of a mixed drink because there's so many mixed drinks that exist.

Same thinking here .

[Sakina]

Irish doesn't count... That was in a movie... Hence not created by Gosho...

Jager doesn't count because that is a brand, not a type of alcohol, nor a mix...

HOWEVER! Apéritif, which is what Jager is... is perfectly acceptable

Also @ Akonyl, I theorized that was Gosho's intent a while ago... It makes sense... and fits perfectly. And you are correct in that Gin is used in the original Martini... The variant of that is a Vodka martini.

A dry martini is made with Gin and Vermouth... Is Gosho trying to say something?

jager may be made by a specific company, but I'd venture to say it counts as its own alcohol as well, since it's pretty unique, and there are a lot of mixed drinks that call for it specifically (whereas not many call for one specific brand of vodka over another, for example), so it holds its own imo.

And I think the "Silver Bullet" name may be a coincidence for the most part, since she also named Ran "Angel", which afaik isn't a drink's name by itself. I'd guess that it just happens to be the name of a mixed drink because there's so many mixed drinks that exist.

By that logic, "Cool Guy" wouldn't be a drink name either.  And it's not.  "Silver Bullet" seems more like a title/job.  Akai was it at first and now it's Conan.  So Conan has two nicknames with Vermouth.  One alcohol, one not.  One for bringing down the BO and one from when he knew nothing of them.  So neither Ran or Shinichi knew about the BO when Vermouth first nicknamed them so they have nothing to do with alcohol.  Conan does know about the BO so he is named after an alcohol.  If I make sense...

[Sakina]

And I think the "Silver Bullet" name may be a coincidence for the most part, since she also named Ran "Angel", which afaik isn't a drink's name by itself. I'd guess that it just happens to be the name of a mixed drink because there's so many mixed drinks that exist.

Same thinking here .

When it comes to literature, especially detective literature, I don't believe in coincidences.  They just don't happen.

[Akonyl]

By that logic, "Cool Guy" wouldn't be a drink name either.  And it's not.  "Silver Bullet" seems more like a title/job.  Akai was it at first and now it's Conan.  So Conan has two nicknames with Vermouth.  One alcohol, one not.  One for bringing down the BO and one from when he knew nothing of them.  So neither Ran or Shinichi knew about the BO when Vermouth first nicknamed them so they have nothing to do with alcohol.  Conan does know about the BO so he is named after an alcohol.  If I make sense...

perhaps, but if we're talking about names and roles now, it's always been the names that are drinks, not their roles (heck, nobody even has a job/title like Silver Bullet except conan/akai anyway), so there isn't really much of a reason to assume the alcohol connection was intentional imo.

as for coincidences in detective literature, I agree if it's something that has to do with a mystery case. But in the case of conan being called a silver bullet, I really doubt that's going to end up being a crucial part of any plotlines aside from giving people something cool to call Conan.

[kyuuketsuki]

Irish doesn't count... That was in a movie... Hence not created by Gosho...

Jager doesn't count because that is a brand, not a type of alcohol, nor a mix...

HOWEVER! Apéritif, which is what Jager is... is perfectly acceptable

Also @ Akonyl, I theorized that was Gosho's intent a while ago... It makes sense... and fits perfectly. And you are correct in that Gin is used in the original Martini... The variant of that is a Vodka martini.

A dry martini is made with Gin and Vermouth... Is Gosho trying to say something?

jager may be made by a specific company, but I'd venture to say it counts as its own alcohol as well, since it's pretty unique, and there are a lot of mixed drinks that call for it specifically (whereas not many call for one specific brand of vodka over another, for example), so it holds its own imo.

And I think the "Silver Bullet" name may be a coincidence for the most part, since she also named Ran "Angel", which afaik isn't a drink's name by itself. I'd guess that it just happens to be the name of a mixed drink because there's so many mixed drinks that exist.

Not really... There aren't TOO many drinks that call for it, though there are that do. And that is mainly because of its specific herbs used in it. By that logic then Zubrowka would also be on the list, even though its a vodka. I don't see it as fair. And then you have the various bombs that call for country specific beers, ie: Sapporo for Sake bombs. Even though it doesn't specifically call for it, I dare you to find a bartender that stocks both, and doesn't use both. And then you have the different wine variants, only a few are considered as individual alcoholic drinks. Essentially by saying that Jager is an individual alcohol, you have to allow for other exceptions that one wouldn't have normally considered. Honestly, the only alcohol that I think can stand alone as different is Absinthe, and that isn't a company, it is classified as a Spirit, but many companies make it and it is genuinely different from everything else, mainly due to the wormwood. This is much like Zubrowka with its Bison Grass... If you think Jager is unique because of the herbs too... then you really need to expand your horizons... There are many alcohols that use herbs for flavoring, most are a wine variant, but that doesn't change the fact that they are fundamentally different. For these reasons Jager cannot stand alone, at least not without the inclusion of the many other alcohols that are fundamentally different from their counterparts due to how they are made.

Note: according to Wiki there are only 3 drinks that specifically call for Jager.... [Technically 4, but I consider a monster bomb being the same as a jagerbomb, since its the same idea... energy drink+jager, then chug]

Note #2: Technically Bacardi 151 is required for many more drinks than Jager, so by that logic, even though 151 is a just a standard rum with a high alcohol content, it should be considered its own alcohol.

Also, I don't know what Sakina meant, but I think she was referring to the irony the name silver bullet was created because of Vermouth sparing them in NY, and Gin shrinking him... and if Vermouth didn't admire him for saving her... then the "silver bullet" wouldn't have been created at all. And the ingredients of a silver bullet are Gin and Vermouth. So whether or not it is a coincidence... it is still very ironic. The question I posed was more of a joke aimed at the thought of some secret relationship between Gin and Vermouth that led to the creation of Conan... I suppose it was too obscure...

[Akonyl]

Not really... There aren't TOO many drinks that call for it, though there are that do. And that is mainly because of its specific herbs used in it. By that logic then Zubrowka would also be on the list, even though its a vodka. I don't see it as fair. And then you have the various bombs that call for country specific beers, ie: Sapporo for Sake bombs. Even though it doesn't specifically call for it, I dare you to find a bartender that stocks both, and doesn't use both. And then you have the different wine variants, only a few are considered as individual alcoholic drinks. Essentially by saying that Jager is an individual alcohol, you have to allow for other exceptions that one wouldn't have normally considered. Honestly, the only alcohol that I think can stand alone as different is Absinthe, and that isn't a company, it is classified as a Spirit, but many companies make it and it is genuinely different from everything else, mainly due to the wormwood. This is much like Zubrowka with its Bison Grass... If you think Jager is unique because of the herbs too... then you really need to expand your horizons... There are many alcohols that use herbs for flavoring, most are a wine variant, but that doesn't change the fact that they are fundamentally different. For these reasons Jager cannot stand alone, at least not without the inclusion of the many other alcohols that are fundamentally different from their counterparts due to how they are made.

Note: according to Wiki there are only 3 drinks that specifically call for Jager.... [Technically 4, but I consider a monster bomb being the same as a jagerbomb, since its the same idea... energy drink+jager, then chug]

Note #2: Technically Bacardi 151 is required for many more drinks than Jager, so by that logic, even though 151 is a just a standard rum with a high alcohol content, it should be considered its own alcohol.

Also, I don't know what Sakina meant, but I think she was referring to the irony the name silver bullet was created because of Vermouth sparing them in NY, and Gin shrinking him... and if Vermouth didn't admire him for saving her... then the "silver bullet" wouldn't have been created at all. And the ingredients of a silver bullet are Gin and Vermouth. So whether or not it is a coincidence... it is still very ironic. The question I posed was more of a joke aimed at the thought of some secret relationship between Gin and Vermouth that led to the creation of Conan... I suppose it was too obscure...

Touché, sir. I was going to try to retort, but then I realized that you could just classify Jager as an herbal/spiced liquer.

and I won't argue that the name isn't at the very least ironic, just whether it was intended to be an alcohol name. And actually, on that I may have remembered something on that side that nullifies my argument as well, so I may just be completely wrong

edit: well, the fact that the silver bullet's mentioned as a drink in 345 sorta defeats the whole "coincidence" idea, as he at the very least knew about it. So oh well. :V

[Sakina]

Not really... There aren't TOO many drinks that call for it, though there are that do. And that is mainly because of its specific herbs used in it. By that logic then Zubrowka would also be on the list, even though its a vodka. I don't see it as fair. And then you have the various bombs that call for country specific beers, ie: Sapporo for Sake bombs. Even though it doesn't specifically call for it, I dare you to find a bartender that stocks both, and doesn't use both. And then you have the different wine variants, only a few are considered as individual alcoholic drinks. Essentially by saying that Jager is an individual alcohol, you have to allow for other exceptions that one wouldn't have normally considered. Honestly, the only alcohol that I think can stand alone as different is Absinthe, and that isn't a company, it is classified as a Spirit, but many companies make it and it is genuinely different from everything else, mainly due to the wormwood. This is much like Zubrowka with its Bison Grass... If you think Jager is unique because of the herbs too... then you really need to expand your horizons... There are many alcohols that use herbs for flavoring, most are a wine variant, but that doesn't change the fact that they are fundamentally different. For these reasons Jager cannot stand alone, at least not without the inclusion of the many other alcohols that are fundamentally different from their counterparts due to how they are made.

Note: according to Wiki there are only 3 drinks that specifically call for Jager.... [Technically 4, but I consider a monster bomb being the same as a jagerbomb, since its the same idea... energy drink+jager, then chug]

Note #2: Technically Bacardi 151 is required for many more drinks than Jager, so by that logic, even though 151 is a just a standard rum with a high alcohol content, it should be considered its own alcohol.

Also, I don't know what Sakina meant, but I think she was referring to the irony the name silver bullet was created because of Vermouth sparing them in NY, and Gin shrinking him... and if Vermouth didn't admire him for saving her... then the "silver bullet" wouldn't have been created at all. And the ingredients of a silver bullet are Gin and Vermouth. So whether or not it is a coincidence... it is still very ironic. The question I posed was more of a joke aimed at the thought of some secret relationship between Gin and Vermouth that led to the creation of Conan... I suppose it was too obscure...

Touché, sir. I was going to try to retort, but then I realized that you could just classify Jager as an herbal/spiced liquer.

and I won't argue that the name isn't at the very least ironic, just whether it was intended to be an alcohol name. And actually, on that I may have remembered something on that side that nullifies my argument as well, so I may just be completely wrong

edit: well, the fact that the silver bullet's mentioned as a drink in 345 sorta defeats the whole "coincidence" idea, as he at the very least knew about it. So oh well. :V

Exactly.  If he specifically states that the silver bullet is a drink then there is no coincidence.  And he doesn't just mention this in any old case, he mentions it in a very plot-filled/important/whatever case.  Vermouth was even in the same episode and Vodka was standing five feet away from the scene of the crime.

[scineram]

Molotov. Altough it is a mixed drink.

[mangaluva]

I once used Sake as a codename, before being informed that it's unlikely since Sake is sometimes used as an allpurpose word for alcohol in general in Japan. I changed it to Snakebite, a mexican liquor, but i'm not sure how well it works.

I tend to run my eyes down wine lists at restaurants and pick out possible names. Camembert, for some reason, has stuck in my mind lately. Beer and Whisky too, though the former may be too generalized.

I also once called the BO boss Red Rum, for various reasons XD

I've used Schapps too, though again i'm unsure of the validity of this one.

[kyuuketsuki]

I once used Sake as a codename, before being informed that it's unlikely since Sake is sometimes used as an allpurpose word for alcohol in general in Japan. I changed it to Snakebite, a mexican liquor, but i'm not sure how well it works.

I tend to run my eyes down wine lists at restaurants and pick out possible names. Camembert, for some reason, has stuck in my mind lately. Beer and Whisky too, though the former may be too generalized.

I also once called the BO boss Red Rum, for various reasons XD

I've used Schapps too, though again i'm unsure of the validity of this one.

It depends... Do you refer to in Japanese or in English? In English, Sake is rice wine [or more generally, alcohol distilled from rice]. In Japan, you would be correct, é…’[sake] or ã

[mangaluva]

I once used Sake as a codename, before being informed that it's unlikely since Sake is sometimes used as an allpurpose word for alcohol in general in Japan. I changed it to Snakebite, a mexican liquor, but i'm not sure how well it works.

I tend to run my eyes down wine lists at restaurants and pick out possible names. Camembert, for some reason, has stuck in my mind lately. Beer and Whisky too, though the former may be too generalized.

I also once called the BO boss Red Rum, for various reasons XD

I've used Schapps too, though again i'm unsure of the validity of this one.

It depends... Do you refer to in Japanese or in English? In English, Sake is rice wine [or more generally, alcohol distilled from rice]. In Japan, you would be correct, é…’[sake] or ã