What if stuff like that is normal for Japan, though? What if dying is different there compared to how it's done in other countries? We probably should take that into consideration too.miakakiri wrote: This case has bugged me ever since it came out in the manga, because some of the detail just don't actually work that way in real life. I've been wondering if maybe there are other cases like that, so I figured I'd ask if anyone else has spotted one. Please list what case, which details don't work (or shouldn't work) and why. Also please note if the case is manga based, anime only, or not animated yet (anything not animated yet does need to be put in a spoiler tag, please) as this will help others locate the case in order to possibly debate details.
Please be nice; I want to encourage friendly debate, not start a flame-war.
My "That doesn't work!" case: (all information here is taken from DCTP translations)
Eri's Testimony case (manga based: files 610 to 612, episodes 505&506 (right after the Clash)).
What doesn't work: Eri's description of her visit with the stylist: (file 611, page 8, second panel)"I came at 8 o'clock, and had a shampoo for 10 min. Next a coloring for 20 min. Afterward a shampoo again for 10 min. Then I had a perm for 10 min. Then once again a shampoo for 10 min. And then I had my hair cut for 15 min. Finally I had my last shampoo for 10 min, and got my hair blow-dried and cut which took another 10 min. Which makes it almost an hour and a half, right?"
Why it doesn't work: Now, it could be argued that some of that is translation, but it shows up in the anime version exactly the same. I work in a salon/spa (though I'm a massage therapist and not a stylist) so I see stylists at work all the time: coloring, cutting, blow-drying, flat-ironing, curling, perming, and whatever else. There are a number of things wrong with the timeline Eri gives. An hour and a half is a reasonable length of time for a color, but the description doesn't match. Also, you can't do a color and a perm on the same day (too many chemicals all at once will damage the hair, I think--I'm not entirely sure, but I have heard my coworkers explaining to clients that you need to space out perms and colors by about 2 weeks). Color is usually applied to dry hair, so she would not have been shampooed when she first came in. Color usually takes about 20-30 min to process (the "drying" Eri refers to later) during which time the stylist can leave to take care of whatever else needs doing (several of my coworkers regularly use the processing time to grab lunch, or they'll fit in another client). She also lists having her hair cut twice, and way too many shampoos that take far too long. It honestly looked like Aoyama-sensei's "research" was to wander into a salon and get his hair cut, watch the other stylists doing things, and make stuff up based on what he saw stylists doing, without even asking any questions.
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I don't imagine the chemicals are all that much different, and there's still the fact that she mentions having her hair cut twice. Also that's way too many shampoos that take too long--shampoo the hair too many times at once will dry out the hair and damage it, or cause buildup. Also if you wash hair too much right after applying color, you can wash the color out. I've seen that happen to someone. Stylists usually reccomend that a client not wash her (or his) hair for about 24 to 48 hours following a color service, so that the color can fully set into the hair. If you wash it too soon, it can result the hair ending up gray-greenish from the color washing out. I can see one of the shampoos taking as much at 10 minutes, if accompanied by a scalp massage (compimentary as part of any wet hair service at the salon where I work) but not 4 of them. It also takes longer to cut/style the hair than she lists, and perms take more than 10 minutes to apply. Not to mention that a perm needs to set just as long as a color does. Color can take a lot longer to apply than that as well, depending on how it is being applied. Eri's is a basic all-over color, so the time given for color application is probably more than sufficient, especially sine what she really needs is a root touch-up and not a complete pull-through.ssjup81 wrote:What if stuff like that is normal for Japan, though? What if dying is different there compared to how it's done in other countries? We probably should take that into consideration too.miakakiri wrote: This case has bugged me ever since it came out in the manga, because some of the detail just don't actually work that way in real life. I've been wondering if maybe there are other cases like that, so I figured I'd ask if anyone else has spotted one. Please list what case, which details don't work (or shouldn't work) and why. Also please note if the case is manga based, anime only, or not animated yet (anything not animated yet does need to be put in a spoiler tag, please) as this will help others locate the case in order to possibly debate details.
Please be nice; I want to encourage friendly debate, not start a flame-war.
My "That doesn't work!" case: (all information here is taken from DCTP translations)
Eri's Testimony case (manga based: files 610 to 612, episodes 505&506 (right after the Clash)).
What doesn't work: Eri's description of her visit with the stylist: (file 611, page 8, second panel)"I came at 8 o'clock, and had a shampoo for 10 min. Next a coloring for 20 min. Afterward a shampoo again for 10 min. Then I had a perm for 10 min. Then once again a shampoo for 10 min. And then I had my hair cut for 15 min. Finally I had my last shampoo for 10 min, and got my hair blow-dried and cut which took another 10 min. Which makes it almost an hour and a half, right?"
Why it doesn't work: Now, it could be argued that some of that is translation, but it shows up in the anime version exactly the same. I work in a salon/spa (though I'm a massage therapist and not a stylist) so I see stylists at work all the time: coloring, cutting, blow-drying, flat-ironing, curling, perming, and whatever else. There are a number of things wrong with the timeline Eri gives. An hour and a half is a reasonable length of time for a color, but the description doesn't match. Also, you can't do a color and a perm on the same day (too many chemicals all at once will damage the hair, I think--I'm not entirely sure, but I have heard my coworkers explaining to clients that you need to space out perms and colors by about 2 weeks). Color is usually applied to dry hair, so she would not have been shampooed when she first came in. Color usually takes about 20-30 min to process (the "drying" Eri refers to later) during which time the stylist can leave to take care of whatever else needs doing (several of my coworkers regularly use the processing time to grab lunch, or they'll fit in another client). She also lists having her hair cut twice, and way too many shampoos that take far too long. It honestly looked like Aoyama-sensei's "research" was to wander into a salon and get his hair cut, watch the other stylists doing things, and make stuff up based on what he saw stylists doing, without even asking any questions.
If any of that didn't make sense, just ask and I'll explain the terminology. I have to phrase it this way in order to run through it all in my head, because this is the way my co-workers talk
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The Case of the Midnight Channel
"When a strange letter summons the Mouri family to Inaba, Ran is expecting a case. She's not expecting it to involve the TV, though.
If Naoto investigated everyone who came to visit Inaba, she'd have little time for real cases. When Yukiko reports that the Midnight Channel is back, however, she starts to wonder if the visitors are connected. Especially when the image clears, unveiling yet another mystery."
If Naoto investigated everyone who came to visit Inaba, she'd have little time for real cases. When Yukiko reports that the Midnight Channel is back, however, she starts to wonder if the visitors are connected. Especially when the image clears, unveiling yet another mystery."
Short version: I'm taking various DC/MK characters to Inaba (where Persona 4 takes place) and dropping them through the TV to face their Shadows!
Cross-posted:Case of the Midnight Channel at Archive of our Own.-
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I agree, changing clothes fast is very much possible... singers do it all the time *in Japan, when they have concerts* and their clothes don't look bulky or weird at all really, like it has enough room and is the right thickness that appear normal, and they just take off the outside in a flash and poof, new set of clothes in an instant...kirite wrote:Changing clothes so fast: I'm sure it's possible. Stage actors have to change their clothes/do make up really quickly as well. As long as you're prepared it's possible.Huty wrote:I'm not disagreeing with what you said, but there are other things that just don't work.Kor wrote:blahblahblah
- Changing clothes as fast as he does.
- That leads to something else... how does he carry all of his stuff around?
- Many of his tricks can't work like they do either.
- Oh, and don't forget about his glider.
Carry stuff around: Hahah it's like the question of how certain people carry guns around when they're just wearing shorts and a loose shirt. I think KID's case actually makes sense though, his suit is pretty bulky and if you're a magician you have to know how to compact and hide your stuff.
Tricks: I think they make sense to me.
Glider: LOL I'm not too sure how that works either. I'll think about that now xD.
Carrying stuff around... it can work, not just because KID has loose shirts and all, it's also a trick of magician, and if you're calculating enough, you can fit a bunch of stuff in an especially small room.... not to mention KID has access to convenient things that comes in small sizes (Japan has a lot of those too... which is how they have an entire Vending Mall where everything can be purchase in a vending machine)
His trick: The explanation Gosho give seemed like it can be possible, the circus people might be able to do those tricks, not to mention, with physics, you can do a lot of unbelievable things by calculation.
Glider: First off, it's possible, Air Glider has been a sport
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I don't think anyone is disputing whether or not air gliding itself is possible or, but rather whether it's possible the way kid does it.Khinkhun wrote:
Glider: First off, it's possible, Air Glider has been a sport, Second, since KID needs it to be better, and his will only be a one person ride, he'd probably adjust the setting, tweeks it a little and able to air glide with it... (One thing for sure, you CAN Air Glide, it's a REAL sport XD)Spoiler:
-making a hangglider of your cape within seconds. I think the idea might actually be possible but not in a way where it would actually support his weight.
- Then also you see him glide away into the sky. With gliding you usually can only go straight or down. Like the ep where all there was a gathering of magicians who met trough the internet (sorry, don't recall the number of the ep) He glides of into the air from the second story balcony. realistically he would probably have ended up in the trees, but he actually gained the height to fly over them. Unless there was a very strong current going straight up, i don't think it's possible.
But all in all these are just some minor details. It's an anime/manga, so I don't think it has o be 100% correct as long as it is believable for the most part. In fact I think it's a good thing not everything is as easily done as it looks, otherwise you'd have an anime with about 500 ways to commit murder, which would be difficult to solve unless they had the brain of someone like sherlock holmes (or unless they were a DC fan)
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Now that I think about it... yeah, it's a good thing some of the minor details of how these things would work properly never mentioned... else Conan will be a sold out mangas for murderers committing the perfect crimes....like more than 500s of themshirokitsune wrote:
But all in all these are just some minor details. It's an anime/manga, so I don't think it has o be 100% correct as long as it is believable for the most part. In fact I think it's a good thing not everything is as easily done as it looks, otherwise you'd have an anime with about 500 ways to commit murder, which would be difficult to solve unless they had the brain of someone like sherlock holmes (or unless they were a DC fan)![]()

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The glider pops out from under his cape, it isn't made out of his cape. Sometimes you can see the cape draped over the top of the glider.shirokitsune wrote: I don't think anyone is disputing whether or not air gliding itself is possible or, but rather whether it's possible the way kid does it.
-making a hangglider of your cape within seconds. I think the idea might actually be possible but not in a way where it would actually support his weight.
I have finally started to actually publish my story! For the moment, expect a new chapter each month.
The Case of the Midnight Channel
"When a strange letter summons the Mouri family to Inaba, Ran is expecting a case. She's not expecting it to involve the TV, though.
If Naoto investigated everyone who came to visit Inaba, she'd have little time for real cases. When Yukiko reports that the Midnight Channel is back, however, she starts to wonder if the visitors are connected. Especially when the image clears, unveiling yet another mystery."
If Naoto investigated everyone who came to visit Inaba, she'd have little time for real cases. When Yukiko reports that the Midnight Channel is back, however, she starts to wonder if the visitors are connected. Especially when the image clears, unveiling yet another mystery."
Short version: I'm taking various DC/MK characters to Inaba (where Persona 4 takes place) and dropping them through the TV to face their Shadows!
Cross-posted:Case of the Midnight Channel at Archive of our Own.-
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About changing clothes: What about "Stripper wear"? These kind of clothes can be switched within one second. And it shouldnt be a problem to wear something under such clothes.
I think there are some parts in Conan that arent possible in real life. For example the Skateboard action..... his accuracy when shooting something against his enemys (even when flying through the air)
And i also think that the Case with the pagode, where the old man hung at the top of it wouldnt work. Those steel barrels normaly weight a lot and if the rope becomes such a fast and heavy pull it normaly would break.
Another case that doesnt work in real life should be the case where the key were put in the pocket of the poisoned man by using the tape of the recording machine..... no matter how often you try to create such a check/chess building, it wouldnt work in a hurry and the chance of succes should be around 10% because its a very instable construction and i think the lowest erruption on the floor should destroy the idea.
I think there are some parts in Conan that arent possible in real life. For example the Skateboard action..... his accuracy when shooting something against his enemys (even when flying through the air)
And i also think that the Case with the pagode, where the old man hung at the top of it wouldnt work. Those steel barrels normaly weight a lot and if the rope becomes such a fast and heavy pull it normaly would break.
Another case that doesnt work in real life should be the case where the key were put in the pocket of the poisoned man by using the tape of the recording machine..... no matter how often you try to create such a check/chess building, it wouldnt work in a hurry and the chance of succes should be around 10% because its a very instable construction and i think the lowest erruption on the floor should destroy the idea.
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True... these culprits are pure geniuses.... murder geniuses, because if I accidentally killed someone, I would think of disposing the body first rather than having to go through all those process of thinking to come up with a brilliant plan like they did....Conan324 wrote:i build houses of cards and sometime it takes 10 seconds to create two stories.Another case that doesnt work in real life should be the case where the key were put in the pocket of the poisoned man by using the tape of the recording machine..... no matter how often you try to create such a check/chess building, it wouldnt work in a hurry and the chance of succes should be around 10% because its a very instable construction and i think the lowest erruption on the floor should destroy the idea.
and if you think of it like that, then non of the cases would work as the culprit can't think of a method in a matter of seconds![]()

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