Ai + Conan

[1Kaito]

Weren't the one who just said you wanted a love triangle without a definite ending? That would imply that you at least to some extent wanted and AiCon pairing. If you didn't you'd have no objection to the earlier comment that even with a love triangle the ending was already determined

I don't even want romance in this anime at all (I feel it is ruining the manga actually), I was saying I would have found a love triangle more interesting. And no that doesn't imply to any extent that I would want an AiCo pairing like I said I just think it would be more interesting to watch.

[Conia]

I think we're overlooking a very real possibility. Just because Ai dies doesn't mean she has to be killed outside of her own volition

Am I the only one here that sees her sacrificing herself to protect Conan, over even Ran or Agasa. It would be a great ending to her character transformation. Starts out as a girl who was used and abused and thereby found it difficult to trust anyone. Then she slowly begins to see that there are good people in the world and then in a moment of clarity she decides that she would willingly die if it meant protecting someone close to her

Plus it would be a great scene because she would be able to fully understand her sister's sacrifice for her and it would give her another way to relate to her

I'm just saying, i would rather picture Ai as hero rather than a victim

Excuse me if I think this post isn't 100% filled with good intentions coming from a ShinRan.

So... ShinRans can't have a good opinion over Ai?

It is perfect to discuss Ai's ending, but you can't judge the other one's opinion because of what he supports...

[Kaito Lady]

yes we can

[1Kaito]

So... ShinRans can't have a good opinion over Ai?

It is perfect to discuss Ai's ending, but you can't judge the other one's opinion because of what he supports...

Of course they can I just don't think that was a good ending for Ai IMO. I know Ai fans that think that would be a good ending for her too so I'm not saying it is strictly an opinion of ShinRans.

I just have noticed a lot ShinRans tends to have bad scenarios for Ai and AiCo tend to have bad scenarios for Ran. No love for both . Not all the time of course just what I personally usually see.

[Sherry86]

I think we're overlooking a very real possibility. Just because Ai dies doesn't mean she has to be killed outside of her own volition

Am I the only one here that sees her sacrificing herself to protect Conan, over even Ran or Agasa. It would be a great ending to her character transformation. Starts out as a girl who was used and abused and thereby found it difficult to trust anyone. Then she slowly begins to see that there are good people in the world and then in a moment of clarity she decides that she would willingly die if it meant protecting someone close to her

Plus it would be a great scene because she would be able to fully understand her sister's sacrifice for her and it would give her another way to relate to her

I'm just saying, i would rather picture Ai as hero rather than a victim

I'm Ai fans and I think that kind of ending for her is suck and stupid.
That kind of ending will make Conan and Akai (if he's still alive) become pathetic and useless silver bullets.
Like I said before, they failed in Akemi's issue, if they fail again in Shiho's issue, then they're jackass.
Both of them have so many debt for her and her sister and they can't pay it if Ai die like that.
Many people think that Ai is the one who have so many debt to Conan so she must sacrifice herself for Conan. But even before Ai enter the picture, Conan already owed her because her APTX didn't kill him and made him shrunk and she even marked Shinichi as deceased in BO's database so BO can't find him and kill him until now.
If there's someone who should sacrifice their self, it should be Conan and Akai to save Ai.

[Wakarimashita]

Do you really have to use "pathetic "suck" "jack-ass" etc.... about some of the characters in all of your posts ? It's annoying.

[Sherry86]

Well, like I said before, if Ai die in the end, then Conan will be a losers even if BO defeated. As a bodyguard, he can save other people but his mistress.

I think it is only half correct...His main goal as stated in very beginning is to defeat Black Organization...
If he does destroy the organization but Ai dies I think it can be considered as 50% ~ 75% success...

No, he'll be a loser if Ai die in the end. Maybe his main goal is defeat the BO but when he made a vow to Ai, his main job is become Ai's bodyguard. Just like I said, what kind of bodyguard is it who can save other people but can't save his mistress? That kind of bodyguard is loser. And he'll become more pathetic if his mistress already paid him (antidote).

He will be depressed if Ai dies in the battle, especially because he promised to protect her

sou da ne..hehe!! (I'm good person now.. peace!!)
and if ai dies..who will create antidote for aptx-4869?? hehe!!

You sound like there the reason why Conan protects her is just because she is the only one who can create the counter agent for the APTX 4869...
If they found the data of its main component,I bet there Agasa can even finish the job.

I recalled that in the very beginning of the manga,Agasa stated he can help him if Conan finds the data of it.

I'm sure as heaven Agasa Hakase can't make the antidote.
His field is electronic and you're not learning chemistry in that field except chemicals for battery.
Maybe he'll ask some of his scientist friends.

[Sherry86]

I'm sorry, but that's what I feel when that character do something like that.
I' m sorry if I annoy you.
I'll do my best to hold my feelings.

[Wakarimashita]

I'm Ai fans and I think that kind of ending for her is suck and stupid.
That kind of ending will make Conan and Akai (if he's still alive) become pathetic and useless silver bullets.
Like I said before, they failed in Akemi's issue, if they fail again in Shiho's issue, then they're jackass.
Both of them have so many debt for her and her sister and they can't pay it if Ai die like that.
Many people think that Ai is the one who have so many debt to Conan so she must sacrifice herself for Conan. But even before Ai enter the picture, Conan already owed her because her APTX didn't kill him and made him shrunk and she even marked Shinichi as deceased in BO's database so BO can't find him and kill him until now.
If there's someone who should sacrifice their self, it should be Conan and Akai to save Ai.

They don't have a debt at all. Shiho and her sister are responsible for what they have done while they were members of the BO and must assume the consequences. Akai was just doing his job as an FIB agent investigating an illegal organization in which the Miyano sisters where involved. They're the ones in the wrong in the story.
Conan owes Ai ? That's an odd reasoning considering that she's the one who made the drug in the first place. The fact that it didn't kill Shinichi was not her doing and marking him as dead surely does not make up for having created a drug which apparently killed dozens of people.  Therefore, I don't see why Akai or Conan should sacrifice themselves for her.

Concerning the antidote, Agasa could make it if he had all the information, it was mentioned at the beginning of the series. And even if it's Ai who ends up creating the andidote, it's the least she could do since she created the APTX.

I'm sorry, but that's what I feel when that character do something like that.
I' m sorry if I annoy you.
I'll do my best to hold my feelings.

Thanks.  ;) We can debate without flaming.

[TypeSera]

I think, being exposed to so much death, Shinichi has long learned a very important fact: you can't save everybody. He can try at least, but in the end not everyone can be saved. Shiho getting killed won't make him less of a detective - it just means that someone else got saved in her place.

And, I don't think Shinichi really owes her much for keeping him marked as deceased. She only found out that there were things that got moved inside his house - it doesn't automatically mean he's still alive. Her suspicions that he was alive jumped when she saw the newspaper article about her sister's death. She probably escaped to look for Shinichi because technically she's got no one else to turn to - who'd be more perfect than the survivior of the Apotoxin who also happens to be a great detective?

[1Kaito]

....what Wakarimashita said^

BTW what does your name mean?

I think, being exposed to so much death, Shinichi has long learned a very important fact: you can't save everybody. He can try at least, but in the end not everyone can be saved. Shiho getting killed won't make him less of a detective - it just means that someone else got saved in her place.

And, I don't think Shinichi really owes her much for keeping him marked as deceased. She only found out that there were things that got moved inside his house - it doesn't automatically mean he's still alive. Her suspicions that he was alive jumped when she saw the newspaper article about her sister's death. She probably escaped to look for Shinichi because technically she's got no one else to turn to - who'd be more perfect than the survivior of the Apotoxin who also happens to be a great detective?

Shinichi definitely doesn't owe her for that considering she only put him down as deceased for a personal interest and not to save him out of the goodness of her heart.

[Wakarimashita]

....what Wakarimashita said^

BTW what does your name mean?

It's the polite form of the past tense of the verb "wakaru". Basically, it means "I understood".

[TypeSera]

But I think it's a good character development for her - her searching for Shinichi for personal reasons, then developing friendships and somewhat mellowing her cynical character, to eventually sacrificing herself (not necessarily character death) for her friends...

[Sherry86]

So it means, if we do a good thing without intending to do good thing can't be considered as doing good thing?
And if we do good thing for others because our own desires can't be considered as doing good things?
She even doesn't know Shinichi that time and you hope she saves him out of the goodness of her heart? You're so funny.
No matter what the intention, Ai marked Shinichi as deceased at BO database is real and the effect is real until now. Debt is a debt and it should be paid. Just like you borrow money from someone. No matter what the intention of that someone, you should pay it back.
One thing that I get from you is you hate Ai so much that you don't even care to see what good things she has done. Even if I tell you her good side, you will ignore it. You just want to see her as criminal and after all this Conan mess, you want her to pay her sins by end up in jail or repeat her childhood or die.

[Wakarimashita]

Except in this case, Ai basically gave him a penny after having stolen a dollar from him (you get the image...). She's the one indirectly responsible for his transformation, so marking him as dead is very nice, but that doesn't make up for everything else that he's lost.
I don't hate Ai, in fact she's one of my favorite characters. However, doing good things doesn't just erase the fact that she has a criminal past and that she must take responsibility for what she has done. If I kill someone out of anger and then save someone for whatever reason, I will still have to pay for the murder, which is the point of justice.