Detective Conan 563 (Detective Boys vs. Robber Gang (Turmoil

[Jd-]

You have to ask the following though. Why, if scar Akai is the real deal, is Akai wandering around in the open where it will seriously jeopardize Rena's safety with no gains to made if he is discovered by the B.O.? It contradictory behavior unless you want to discuss memory loss, which I have several things to say about, but they are manga spoilers so I'm not going to state them on this thread. You cans see the full range of objections in the sig link though.

I definitely think that it is difficult for Okiya to be anyone but Akai. A third party is not impossible, but there are several points to consider.
Okiya looks and acts like Akai down to being left handed.
Ran thinks Okiya looks familiar.
Haibara reacts strongly to Okiya, something she is known to do with Akai, but not for any of the other FBI agents or Eisuke. Would she react so strongly to a new agent? I can't say, but it is something to consider.
The names "Okiya Subaru" and "Akai Shuuichi" have a unified pun reference (I read somewhere that Moroboshi Dai fits in as well, although I forget how exactly. I'd love it if someone could fill me in on that.)  

Well, honestly, I've not wanted Okiya to be Akai since the first time he showed up. Gosho has played the disguise card way too many times now, so I just don't really like to think that he's going to do it again. It would be a nice twist on the formula for the one we're meant to assume is disguised as is really the original person. My original theory, when this first came out in the manga, was that Bourbon was disguising as Akai and walking about to test the reactions of the FBI--to make sure he was really dead and to see if Rena was sincere. But, again, this plotline just seems too obvious and I would much rather it be something a bit more complex and out of the ordinary for Gosho.

If Scar Akai were Akai, he could be in the open to again be seeking out the leak inside the FBI, or for practically any other reason given that we don't know what the plan Conan & Akai came up with then was. I don't disagree with the notion that Okiya is Akai simply because of how obvious some of the 'clues' are, but it really just comes off as, "Ahhh, not again" when I think of that proposition.

I'll post something about 564 after that's out, but here's to hoping that the carnival of disguises comes crashing down.

[Kor]

You have to ask the following though. Why, if scar Akai is the real deal, is Akai wandering around in the open where it will seriously jeopardize Rena's safety with no gains to made if he is discovered by the B.O.? It contradictory behavior unless you want to discuss memory loss, which I have several things to say about, but they are manga spoilers so I'm not going to state them on this thread. You cans see the full range of objections in the sig link though.

I definitely think that it is difficult for Okiya to be anyone but Akai. A third party is not impossible, but there are several points to consider.
Okiya looks and acts like Akai down to being left handed.
Ran thinks Okiya looks familiar.
Haibara reacts strongly to Okiya, something she is known to do with Akai, but not for any of the other FBI agents or Eisuke. Would she react so strongly to a new agent? I can't say, but it is something to consider.
The names "Okiya Subaru" and "Akai Shuuichi" have a unified pun reference (I read somewhere that Moroboshi Dai fits in as well, although I forget how exactly. I'd love it if someone could fill me in on that.)  

Well, honestly, I've not wanted Okiya to be Akai since the first time he showed up. Gosho has played the disguise card way too many times now, so I just don't really like to think that he's going to do it again. It would be a nice twist on the formula for the one we're meant to assume is disguised as is really the original person. My original theory, when this first came out in the manga, was that Bourbon was disguising as Akai and walking about to test the reactions of the FBI--to make sure he was really dead and to see if Rena was sincere. But, again, this plotline just seems too obvious and I would much rather it be something a bit more complex and out of the ordinary for Gosho.

If Scar Akai were Akai, he could be in the open to again be seeking out the leak inside the FBI, or for practically any other reason given that we don't know what the plan Conan & Akai came up with then was. I don't disagree with the notion that Okiya is Akai simply because of how obvious some of the 'clues' are, but it really just comes off as, "Ahhh, not again" when I think of that proposition.

I'll post something about 564 after that's out, but here's to hoping that the carnival of disguises comes crashing down.

I agree that Gosho played with the disguising concept too many times. but let's look at the last cases with disguises:
Shiragami case (sort of)
Red Wall case (sort of)
and:

Spoiler:

the case with Kobayashi and Shiratori - Sato disguised as Kobayashi

(I exclude KID cases for the obvious reasons)

I don't think Gosho will back down from disguises if he keeps using them in cases all the time.

[Kor]

on the other hand many people thought that Eisuke was a fake character. gosho didn't use any masks in that story arc and since episode 345 he didn't use any masks for the main storyline at all. i still can't believe that some people wasted their time to prove that he is akai. gosho fooled you from the beginning. watch episode 510 again.

That's the second time you said that, yet you didn't say what we should notice by watching it again.

plus, if Okiya is Akai, he doesn't use a mask, therefore this arguement:

since episode 345 he didn't use any masks for the main storyline at all.

is pointless.

[Jd-]

on the other hand many people thought that Eisuke was a fake character.

Not as many as you think. In fact, Knightus, myself, and much of the spoiler cbox clan called it from a mile away. There were people who thought he was Vermouth, but aside from that, I don't know why too many people would think he was a truly malevolent character when his intentions were made obvious way early.

gosho didn't use any masks in that story arc and since episode 345 he didn't use any masks for the main storyline at all. i still can't believe that some people wasted their time to prove that he is akai. gosho fooled you from the beginning. watch episode 510 again.

Really, it's not that Gosho fooled anyone already--it's that none of us in the "I'm tired of the disguises" camp want that to be the case. It's such a non-sequitur in terms of plot follow-through and really just lacks the expert precision that one would expect from him after so many great touches on his series. I'm also curious as to what this evidence is that it's definitively one way or the other. If you go back and look at 521-523, for instance, when the manga files came out, literally everyone had figured it out before the game was even afoot. It was such a tired gimmick at that point that I really wished Gosho threw us a curveball... but instead, it turned out exactly how everyone imagined. The second Okiya showed up, everyone wanted to assume it was Akai and there have been a number of mostly hole-proof theories to support it--that doesn't mean it's a good plot point, it just means we're in for something we've seen before.

Using disguises as a plot device is basically verboten in every form of fiction, and especially relying on it so often. Gosho is capable of weaving better stories than that, so seeing him fall back on it time and time and time again is just disheartening in a way. It's even worse that practically everyone is a master of disguise.

[kkslider5552000]

I wonder if there was someone from America in Japan when Jodie was yelling "SHU!" and was like "she's yelling about a shoe? WTF?""

[Abs.]

I wonder if there was someone from America in Japan when Jodie was yelling "SHU!" and was like "she's yelling about a shoe? WTF?""

Or she's telling him to go away.