Ran's Suspicion?

[Shinran]

Okay, that is just total win right there. 8DDD

[yukionna]

Exactly my thoughts about the Shiragami case. XD;;

697: (SPOILER)

Spoiler:

If I didn't knew that this conversation would be sort of impossible in DC I'd have thought that Ran says:


THIS IS NOT THE TRUE TRANSLATION!!! IT IS A SPOOF!!!

It seems like Ran can't help it, she is just suspicious the way she is. No wonder now that Conan won't tell her who he is. Ran is too naive and too innocent(?) to act like an actress. But, again, only the fingerprints can be the absolute proof of Conan's true identity and the time to make him face the fact that his fingerprints are the same as Shinichi's is coming nearer I think. I hope. And this draws us slowly, ve~ry slowly to the end.

Best spoof ever.

But anyways, I love the "suspicion" episodes and chapters, so I just want to keep them coming!!!

[sstimson]

There are more way for Ran to learn the truth then just fingerprints. She could do a background check on Conan ( After all "Conan" does not exist ). She could check for a birth certificate, try to find out when Conan arrived in the country. That she does not do this either means one of three things. 1) She does not have the necessary knowledge to check on him. 2) She does not care. (either SHE KNOWS or it just does not matter)
3) she has been completely fooled.

Later

[TheBlind]

There are more way for Ran to learn the truth then just fingerprints. She could do a background check on Conan ( After all "Conan" does not exist ). She could check for a birth certificate, try to find out when Conan arrived in the country. That she does not do this either means one of three things. 1) She does not have the necessary knowledge to check on him. 2) She does not care. (either SHE KNOWS or it just does not matter)
3) she has been completely fooled.

Later

Considering Yusaku and Yukiko are already involved it's possible for Conan to have all that required information. Yusaku did say he had  friends in big organizations such as Interpol, so maybe he used his friends to add him to the "system". Actually now that I think about it, it's really likely that Yusaku did do this as Jodie being FBI would of ran a check on Conan when she was suspicious of him and if nothing came back the story would probably developed differently.

As for the fingerprint suspicion, this one is probably going to end the same way. Even the set-up is weak and not really believable. C'mon, Kazuha out of nowhere tells Ran about fingerprints like it's a normal conversation topic and they both act it is IMPOSSIBLE for only Shinchi's fingerprints to be on it without it being suspicious. Heiji and Conan can explain that away in so many ways without any effort such as "I cleaned it after the case I got shot and happened to give it to Kudo a bit later as he wanted to see it". Unless Kazuha and Ran are going to argue that Shinichi and Heiji cannot meet unless ONE of them is present, I don't see why Ran is getting suspicious again other than Gosho needs her to be.

[yukionna]

There are more way for Ran to learn the truth then just fingerprints. She could do a background check on Conan ( After all "Conan" does not exist ). She could check for a birth certificate, try to find out when Conan arrived in the country. That she does not do this either means one of three things. 1) She does not have the necessary knowledge to check on him. 2) She does not care. (either SHE KNOWS or it just does not matter)
3) she has been completely fooled.

Later

Considering Yusaku and Yukiko are already involved it's possible for Conan to have all that required information. Yusaku did say he had  friends in big organizations such as Interpol, so maybe he used his friends to add him to the "system". Actually now that I think about it, it's really likely that Yusaku did do this as Jodie being FBI would of ran a check on Conan when she was suspicious of him and if nothing came back the story would probably developed differently.

As for the fingerprint suspicion, this one is probably going to end the same way. Even the set-up is weak and not really believable. C'mon, Kazuha out of nowhere tells Ran about fingerprints like it's a normal conversation topic and they both act it is IMPOSSIBLE for only Shinchi's fingerprints to be on it without it being suspicious. Heiji and Conan can explain that away in so many ways without any effort such as "I cleaned it after the case I got shot and happened to give it to Kudo a bit later as he wanted to see it". Unless Kazuha and Ran are going to argue that Shinichi and Heiji cannot meet unless ONE of them is present, I don't see why Ran is getting suspicious again other than Gosho needs her to be.

That's what I was thinking, also. Hattori could easily explain that stuff away. The girls could do nothing but assume that Hattori and Kudo met without them. In the following enumerated points, I will attempt to show the logic that would go through the girl's minds that make it easy for Hattori to explain the fingerprints away:
Assumption: Neither Ran not Kazuha know that Kudo = Conan, and that Kazuha is not aware of all of Hattori's actions.
1. Hattori and Kudo displays a close relationship.
2. You could assume that they developed the friendship over the phone/other means without meeting.
3. However, without the existence of MySpace/Facebook/etc, they had to exchange contact information somewhere, and in person.
4. Between Kudo and Hattori's first (technically second, due to the Ski Slope case) and second (technically, third) where at least Ran or Kazuha is present, the two are known to have been communicating.
5. Kudo and Hattori did NOT exchange contact information in their first (technically, second) ecounter where Ran or Kazuha was present.
6. (3) + (4) + (5) imply that they must have exchanged contact information during an encounter without either Ran or Kazuha.
7. (6) implies that Kudo and Hattori can meet without Ran or Kazuha.
8. Since neither Ran nor Kazuha know the specifics of Kudo and Hattori's girl-less meetings, such meetings could have occured multiple times (they are now forced to assume they met at least once (6), (7).
9. The charm could have been touched at least once.

In conclusion, since, Hattori's explanation only needs to be possible, (9) would suffice to explain away the fingerprints.

[snuzzle]

Would a person's fingerprints really be the same when they're a kid as when they're an adult (slash-teen)?

Maybe the prints would get a negative match due to the fact that Conan's prints are so small, and Shinichi's are so big so it's hard to positively match them.

[Nyarl]

As for the fingerprint suspicion, this one is probably going to end the same way. Even the set-up is weak and not really believable. C'mon, Kazuha out of nowhere tells Ran about fingerprints like it's a normal conversation topic and they both act it is IMPOSSIBLE for only Shinchi's fingerprints to be on it without it being suspicious. Heiji and Conan can explain that away in so many ways without any effort such as "I cleaned it after the case I got shot and happened to give it to Kudo a bit later as he wanted to see it". Unless Kazuha and Ran are going to argue that Shinichi and Heiji cannot meet unless ONE of them is present, I don't see why Ran is getting suspicious again other than Gosho needs her to be.

{693}

Spoiler:

The fingerprint issue came from Shiragami when Heiiji had the prints on the fragment checked against the prints on the knife "Shin'ichi" used to stab the reporter. There were other things that could make Ran suspicious in that case people were ragging on her for not noticing. Like Shin'ichi claiming to escape through a window she had heard Kogoro claim was so small only a child could fit through.

Sure, Shin'ichi's prints being on the fragment could've been explained somehow. The point of Ran's question was to see if Kazuha knew of such an explanation.

[TheBlind]

As for the fingerprint suspicion, this one is probably going to end the same way. Even the set-up is weak and not really believable. C'mon, Kazuha out of nowhere tells Ran about fingerprints like it's a normal conversation topic and they both act it is IMPOSSIBLE for only Shinchi's fingerprints to be on it without it being suspicious. Heiji and Conan can explain that away in so many ways without any effort such as "I cleaned it after the case I got shot and happened to give it to Kudo a bit later as he wanted to see it". Unless Kazuha and Ran are going to argue that Shinichi and Heiji cannot meet unless ONE of them is present, I don't see why Ran is getting suspicious again other than Gosho needs her to be.

{693}

Spoiler:

The fingerprint issue came from Shiragami when Heiiji had the prints on the fragment checked against the prints on the knife "Shin'ichi" used to stab the reporter. There were other things that could make Ran suspicious in that case people were ragging on her for not noticing. Like Shin'ichi claiming to escape through a window she had heard Kogoro claim was so small only a child could fit through.

Sure, Shin'ichi's prints being on the fragment could've been explained somehow. The point of Ran's question was to see if Kazuha knew of such an explanation.

I know where it came from which is why my explanation still fits. Kazuha never told Ran that Heiji denied that Shinichi touched his charm(which she would of if that was the case), so Ran's suspicion has no foundation. A person using normal logic would think that Heiji and Kudo met at some point after the "shooting" since they are good friends and brush it off instead of thinking that Conan is a dirty liar(which what Ran was implying with her questioning). It just seems like another "Gosho's annual Ran suspects Conan is Shinichi but not really plot line".

As for the other reason you listed, people tend to believe their eyes over the "impossible". If Shinichi says he got out the way he did than people won't question it since their eyes are showing them he escaped. It would actually be strange for someone to believe Conan=Shinichi over "he managed to squeeze through", but this doesn't apply to you since you believe that Ran is only faking not to know already(which would be a good twist if it pans out this way, but the way I interpret it, Ran is still oblivious because Gosho forces her to be).

[sstimson]

You are forgetting a very simple way for fingerprint to be compared. Ran cleans Kudo's HOUSE. So she could get a hold of Kudo's toothbrush with his prints on it. Then she does the same thing with Conan's Brush. If they match Conan goes to jail ( anyway Ran's Jail)

Later

[kirite]

It'll be possible for Ran to know the truth and not show it- the "POV" of the story allows such a thing.  It's like how she didn't even show the fact that she's worried about Eisuke being a murderer on her expression until she cries from relief.  There isn't any internal dialogue of "Omg could it be?!" like we get with Conan and Haibara.

I think she's a the point where "if it's true" then she'll believe it and "if it's not true" it doesn't matter.  If he tells her he's Shinichi then she won't be surprised, but if Shinichi shows up at the same time as Conan then that'll be okay as well. 

Even without the issue about the finge prints Ran should be suspicious about Heiji and Shinichi though.  Technically speaking only a few months passed, for Hattori who showed up not knowing anything about Kudo to Hattori who's all "best friends" with him now.  If Ran REALLY wanted to find Shinichi then she'll logically badger it out of Heiji who seems to see him alll the time.

[TheBlind]

You are forgetting a very simple way for fingerprint to be compared. Ran cleans Kudo's HOUSE. So she could get a hold of Kudo's toothbrush with his prints on it. Then she does the same thing with Conan's Brush. If they match Conan goes to jail ( anyway Ran's Jail)

Later

Conan probably took precautions for something like that before informing Agasa he could led Ran a spare key. There is also the fact that Okiya is now living there, so Conan probably packed up all his things which removes the possibility of Ran doing this now IF that toothbrush was even there to begin with.

But I agree, Ran could just make Shinichi touch something next time he appears and compare it against something of Conan's but she doesn't because her character isn't written that way.