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• last updated on December the 12th (end of round 18)
  
  This is none of the gameplay threads.
  It is intended for the discussion of modifications and additions to the roles (and some rules) of the game.
  It has no influence on running games. The thread merely contains suggestions, the GM can announce different rules/roles at his/her disposal.
  Though, just having a character role on the list does not hurt if it is not actually in the game (and never had a chance not to get into the game) and would increase the amount of guessing for the players.
  
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  Round 18
  
  Overview over already existing roles and rules:
  The following list show the existing roles and their powers in the current game.
  
  

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  Rules
  
  General rules
  Spoiler:

  - If you play in this game with more than one username, both usernames will be banned from this and all future Mafia games.  Since it is also against forum rules to have multiple accounts, at least one of the accounts will also be deleted.
  - Don't ask the GM for information about other players' roles or try to influence moderator tasks (e.g. ask them to not give certain hints).  It is frowned upon.
  - You may not copy/quote/screenshot etc. the PM from the GM to prove your role to someone else. But you can claim to be a role, whether it's your real role or not.
  - You can PM people and post without restrictions (except the GM stuff, see above) when you are alive. If you choose to talk while dead (PM or otherwise), you must be careful that you don’t give anything away, whether it’s your suspicions, results of actions, deductions, etc.  Don't ruin the spirit of the game.  When in doubt, refrain.
  - You may fake/quote/edit other players PM, just not the GM ones. However, the posting or PMing of other players’ PMs via screenshots are prohibited.
  - If your PM confuses the GM, the GM will smash it into a billion pieces.
  - You may talk as a Ghost, but not about game related information. Also, every player is asked to not go off-topic too much.
  - People not participating in the game can also talk, but anything that could be a hint or something the reader noticed should not be posted or Pmed to the people playing.
  - In case a Ghost talked about something important related to the game (what he did when he was dead, who he talked to, what hint he figured out etc., even if it's wrong/ a lie), the GM will punish accordingly. It can be just a warning or be a punishment in the form of randomly killing/arresting someone on the same side, or giving out hints to help the other side or even ban the player from the next game. The GM has the freedom to act accordingly.
  Gameplay
  Spoiler:

  - You have to PM the GM directly to vote/use your ability. Posting in the thread doesn't count. Multi-recipient PMs don’t count.
  - If Vermouth and KID are in the same game and choose the same person to disguise as, they will both disguise as the same role and the targeted individual will get a new role.
  - DB's (Ayumi, Genta, Mitsuhiko), Friends (Sonoko + Best Friend), and Lovers will not overlap.
  - If you're inactive for too long ( 7+ phases) without telling the GM that you're gone or that you'll give the power over your role to someone else temporary, you'll get arrested.
  General Definitions
  Spoiler:

  Order of Actions
  - You can always send in a new order, which will replace the old one.
  - If multiple incompatible actions are submitted by a player, the last one before time is up is the one that will go through.
  - The BO and the DBs have a rank system for giving orders.
  
  Arrest > House Search > Protection charm > APTX > Lynching > Discombobulating > Killing > All other actions
  Example 1a:
  Akonyl) Arrest Abs. for killing Kleene on Night 1.  Investigate if pofa slandered conia.
  Abs.) Kill Akonyl.
  Result: Akonyl arrests Abs.  Abs. does not get to kill Akonyl.  Akonyl investigates if pofa slandered conia.
  Example 1b:
  Akonyl) Investigate if pofa slandered conia.
  Abs.) Kill Akonyl.
  Result: Abs. kills Akonyl.  Akonyl does not get investigation results.
  Example 2: (Day 3)
  Beastly) APTX pofa = Satou.
  pofa) Arrest Beastly for killing Laurell on Night 2.
  Result: pofa arrests Beastly.  Beastly does not get to use APTX on pofa.  APTX is confiscated. (See APTX under Day actions)
  
  Voice of Reason > Bone Breaker > Watch protection > Protect > Heal > First Aid
  - In case more than one protection/healing-type action is done on the target that is killed, the one with the highest priotity will succeed, while the others will "fail" (they won't happen).
  - In case the highest priority action was hindered, for example with discombobulating, the next protection/healing-type action will succeed etc.
  - Sniping: Sniping bypasses every healing and First Aid. When someone is protected, the protected will survive, but the protector himself dies instead. Someone with the watch will survive a sniper, but the watch will be destroyed.
  - A protection/healing ability will just prevent the killing, in case the protected player is targeted. So, in case a protector (Ran, Makoto), protects someone from a sniper with the watch, Ran/Makoto will still die and the watch won't save them.
  - Any action that was done by someone who was successfully First Aided will fail, because that player became injured.
  
  
  Voting
  - Everyone can vote during the Day Phase, whether you're Townsfolk or a BO member.
  - Exceptions:
  a) You're dead
  b) You're not in Japan
  c) You're arrested
  d) You were hindered by an ability (e.g. Tequila).
  - Each player’s vote is made public at the end of the Day phase, unless Voice of Reason or Protect is applicable.
  - If the player was APTXed or arrested, then his/her vote won't count
  
  
  Killing/Arrest/Lynched
  - When someone was killed,lynched or arrested, his action won't go through and fail. Only exception are arrest and APTX.
  - In case Kazuha was succesfully APTXed and accompanied someone that was about to be lynched because of 1 vote difference, the reduction of that 1 vote fails and he/she will be lynched.
  
  
  Auto-Arrest
  If a House Search finds a crime, the target is automatically arrested.  This Auto-Arrest is a freebie in conjunction with the House Search.  If the House Search does not happen, the Auto-Arrest does not happen. An Auto-Arrest will not automatically happen in case a crime is discovered by an investigate action, even if the one investigating is a police officer.
  
  
  Hints, Riddles, Will, Tape/Video tape, Dreams
  - There can be various hints/riddles given out by the GM. This can contain true and false hints. It can be about lovers in the game or who was the murderer etc. There can be hints with the PMing of actions too. The players could also recive a dream or hint from the GM, which could contain true or false facts. All hints could be right or all could be false or there can be a mix of false and right hint with just one drean, riddle, phase change post etc.
  - Every player can PM a "Will" to the GM. It can be a letter, a tape or just an item that you'll drop. This Will will be shown in case you're killed.
  - You can also tell the GM the way you want to die in the case that you are lynched (in case you prefer to burn instead of being hanged etc.)
  - The BO can leave a tape/video or item after each murder. A tape could also be from the GM and not the BO. Thus it can have true clues or false clues..
  - The GM has the last decision. In case a will, tape, or method of death is giving out too much info, then it can be changed by the GM accordingly.
  - A Will will get lost if the body is removed by Piscos ability. Pisco will receive the Will then.
  
  
  Crimes
  - Killing (normal, sniping or using APTX)
  - Blaming
  - Disguising
  - Slandering
  - Spying
  - Bribing
  - Discombobulating
  - Abducting
  - Erasing
  - Frightening
  - Steal
  - Black Suitcase actions are not crimes (even discombobulating etc.).
  - Being in the BO is not a crime. So you can't arrest Conia for being Gin.
  
  
  Condition
  All players - except the travelers Hakuba and Maktoto - start the game "alive" (normal). However, their condition might worsen during the course of the game...
  
  Alive: An alive player may use any of his/her abilities according to the rules. They can talk freely and participate in the lynch-voting.
  Abroad: This player is out of the country until he/she returns to japan. Any actions used on him will fail. He/she can't be killed. Such players can talk freely, but not participate in lynch-voting or use any ability themselves.
  Injured: An injured player can not use any abilities and loose any of their passive abilities like for example a disguise. The only exception is the nightly killing action from BO members (though, they will loose any advantages they normally have like erasing the body or sniping) and Revenge. Injured players can still talk freely and participate in the lynch voting.
  Temporary Injured: Police who try to arrest a Sniper will get temporary Injured for 2 phase after the arrest attempt. When being temporary injured, the police will lose all Ability except for Voting on day lynching.
  Suspended: Police who try to arrest someone for a false charge will get suspended for 2 phase after the arrest attempt. When being a suspended, the police will lose all Ability except for Voting on day lynching.
  Arrested: An arrested player can't use any abilities, but at the same time they also can't be killed. Any actions, except for "lawsuit" on them will fail. They can talk freely, but not participate in the lynch voting. Arrested players are considered "out-of-the-game" to determine if a side had won. The arrested players role will (normally) not be revealed upon the arrest.
  Dead: That player was killed during the game. They can no longer participate in this round, however they will still win the game together with their side. Dead players may not give any information concerning the game to others or influence the game in any other way.
  
  
  Black Organization
  Leadership
  The BO has a Leader. It's Anokata. The Leader has the ultimate right to choose a Night kill target and will give the order. No one can overwrite the Leaders order. Other players can also give out orders, in case the Leader does not. The priority of the orders will be decided by the BO ranking.  But the Leader can overwrite that order if he or she returns.
  If the Leader orders a Lover to kill the other Lover, it will happen (unless either the Lover was discombobulated, or Vodka was the Lover and discombobulated the Leader), and the killing Lover will suicide if the kill was successful.
  The Leader can't command someone else to use APTX.  The Leader may only put in his/her own APTX order.  The exception is if the BO member PMs the GM giving such permission (only lasts for that Day.)
  If Anokata is not present in a game (or was killed) the BO will choose a Leader. They can either go for the ranking according to the role list (Anokata, Gin, Vermouth, Bourbon ...) or they vote for their own ranking. So each player PMs the GM with a ranking.
  Example:
  conia) Akonyl (Vodka), conia (Korn), pofa (Gin)
  Akonyl) Conia (Korn), Akonyl (Vodka), pofa (Gin)
  pofa) pofa (Gin), conia (Korn), Akonyl (Vodka)
  Then the ranking would be: conia(Korn), Akonyl (Vodka), pofa(Gin). So conia would be the new Leader. In case conia dies then Akonyl will become the new leader etc.
  If the leader is arrested, the leader may designate the new ranking by PMing the GM during the phase in which the arrest is made known.
  Otherwise the GM will randomly choose a ranking.
  The leader ranking has nothing to do with the APTX ranking! In case there are not enough APTX, then the ranking of the listed BO roles will be used.
  
  
  Other
  Each mafia member must commit a successful murder before any mafia member gets a second turn to kill.
  Every member can use the APTX4869 during day phase.
  BO can kill BO if they so wish.
  The mafia is allowed to and is expected to consult with each other on who to kill during the night and who to lynch during the day.  You may all vote to lynch different players if you wish.
  Keywords
  Spoiler:

  Investigate : Investigation / Special Investigation
  Observe : Observation / Stake-Out
  Protect : Protection / Lovey-Dovey / Bone Breaking
  Heal : Healing / First Aid
  Discombobulate : Discombobulate
  Steal : Stealing
  Deduction: Spy/Deduction
  Interrogate: Interrogate/Cross-examination
  Poison: Poisoning
  Pinch Face: Face-pinching
  Give Gem: Give Gem

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  Roles
  Legend
  Spoiler:

  Role name, role occupation
  Prep. phase action: Action done during prep. phase.
  Night action: Action A OR Action B -> Can just use one of it, not both at the same night
  Night action: Action C -> Can use Action C and Action A or B
  Day action: Action D
  Night/Day action: Action E -> can also be done together with other actions
  (Action A/B, C and E can be done on the same night. Day action D and E too.)
  Interrogation: the result when this role is interrogated and not slandered
  Scent: Result when haibara followed this role
  Disguise: Says, if someone can be disguised as this role or not
  Items: Items that role has that can be stolen
  Observe: Results when this role is observed
  Note: Other information
  Mafia
  Black Organization
  
  Spoiler:

  Anokata, Mafia Boss
  Status: BO Leader
  Night action: Blame
  Day action: Black Suitcase
  Interrogation: Not BO
  Scent: No
  Disguise: No
  Items: Gun, Car-keys
  Observe: Adult/Teenager/Child
  Note: Anokata can use the Black Suitcase during Night 1 for him-/herself. During Day 1 it can be given to any member of the BO.
  If observed, the result will always be random, either adult, teenager or child. Night 1 and Night 2, he could appear as child. Or Night 1 as child and Night 2 as adult.
  If more than 1 person observes him at the same night, both will get the same random result.
  
  Gin, Mafia Slanderer
  Night action: Slander
  Night action: Investigate 5
  Interrogation: BO
  Scent: Yes
  Disguise: No
  Items: Gun, Car-keys, Headgear, Alcohol
  Observe: Adult
  
  Vermouth, Mafia Disguiser
  Prep action: Disguise
  Interrogation: not disguised: BO, with disguise: depends on disguise
  Scent: Yes, no matter what disguise
  Disguise: No
  Items: Gun, Car-keys, Panties, Alcohol + items from disguise
  Observe: depends on disguise, If not disguised: Adult
  Note: Vermouth can't arrest someone for a blamed action in any way.
  
  Bourbon, Mafia Detective
  Night action: Detect
  Night action: Spy
  Interrogation: BO
  Scent: Yes
  Disguise: No
  Items: Gun, Car-keys, Headgear, Alcohol
  Observe: Adult
  
  Pisco, Mafia Eraser
  Night action: Erase
  Night action: Bribe
  Interrogation: BO
  Scent: Yes
  Disguise: No
  Items: Gun, Car-keys, Alcohol
  Observe: Adult
  
  Irish, Mafia Disguiser
  Prep. Phase action: Choose Costumes
  Day action: Temporary Disguise
  Interrogation: not disguised: BO, with disguise: depends on disguise
  Scent: Yes, no matter what disguise
  Disguise: No
  Items: Gun, Car-keys, Alcohol
  Observe: Adult
  Note: Irish can't arrest someone for a blamed action in any way.
  
  Vodka, Mafia Intimidator
  Night action: Discombobulate
  Interrogation: BO
  Scent: Yes
  Disguise: No
  Items: Gun, Car-keys, Headgear, Glasses, Alcohol
  Observe: Adult
  
  Calvados, Mafia Backup
  Day action: Cover
  Interrogation: BO
  Scent: Yes
  Disguise: No
  Items: Gun, Car-keys, Headgear, Glasses, Alcohol
  Observe: Adult
  
  Chianti, Mafia Sniper
  Night action: Snipe
  Night/Day Action: Revenge
  Night action: Observe
  Interrogation: BO
  Scent: Yes
  Disguise: No
  Items: Gun, Car-keys, Panties, Alcohol
  Observe: Adult
  
  Korn, Mafia Sniper
  Night action: Snipe
  Night/Day Action: Revenge
  Night action: Stake-out
  Interrogation: BO
  Scent: Yes
  Disguise: No
  Items: Gun, Car-keys, Headgear, Glasses, Alcohol
  Observe: Adult
  
  Tequila, Mafia Browbeat
  Night action: Frighten
  Interrogation: BO
  Scent: Yes
  Disguise: No
  Items: Gun, Car-keys, Headgear, Alcohol
  Observe: Adult
  
  Sherry, Mafia Scientist
  Night action: Poison
  Interrogation: BO
  Scent: No
  Disguise: No
  Items: Gun, Panties, Alcohol
  Observe: Teenager
  Ai and Sherry cannot both be in the game
  
  Akemi, Mafia Robber
  Night action: Steal
  Interrogation: BO
  Scent: No
  Disguise: No
  Items: Gun, Car-keys, Panties
  Observe: Adult
  Town
  Police
  Police can do all actions in the same night: Investigate, Arrest and House Search (if available)
  Spoiler:

  Megure, Police Inspector
  Night action: Investigate 3
  Night/Day action: Arrest
  Night action: House search
  Interrogation: Not BO
  Scent: No
  Disguise: Yes
  Items: Gun, Car-keys, Headgear
  Observe: Adult
  
  Shiratori, Police Inspector
  Night action: Investigate 3
  Night/Day action: Arrest
  Night action: House search
  Interrogation: Not BO
  Scent: No
  Disguise: Yes
  Items: Gun, Car-keys, Alcohol
  Observe: Adult
  
  Satou, Assistant Police Inspector
  Night action: Investigate 3
  Night/Day action: Arrest
  Night/Day action: Detention
  Interrogation: Not BO
  Scent: No
  Disguise: Yes
  Items: Gun, Car-keys, Panties
  Observe: Adult
  
  Takagi, Police Sergeant
  Night action: Stake-out
  Night/Day action: Arrest
  Interrogation: Not BO
  Scent: No
  Disguise: Yes
  Items: Gun, Car-keys
  Observe: Adult
  
  Chiba, Police Officer
  Night action: Stake-out
  Night/Day action: Arrest
  Interrogation: Not BO
  Scent: No
  Disguise: Yes
  Items: Gun, Car-keys
  Observe: Adult
  
  Nakamori, Police Inspector
  Night action: Investigate 3
  Night/Day action: Arrest
  Night/Day action: Pinch Face
  Interrogation: Not BO
  Scent: No
  Disguise: Yes
  Items: Gun, Car-keys
  Observe: Adult
  
  Yumi, Amor
  Night action: Investigate 2
  Night/Day action: Arrest
  Prep. action: Amor
  Interrogation: Not BO
  Scent: No
  Disguise: No
  Items: Gun, Car-keys, Headgear, Panties, Alcohol
  Observe: Adult
  FBI/CIA
  Spoiler:

  James, FBI Boss
  Status: FBI Leader
  Night action: Special Investigate
  Interrogation: Not BO
  Scent: No
  Disguise: Yes
  Items: Gun, Car-keys, Glasses, Alcohol
  Observe: Adult
  
  Akai, Hunter
  Day action: Vengeance
  Night action: Investigate 5
  Night action: Bone Breaking
  Interrogation: Not BO
  Scent: Yes
  Disguise: Yes
  Items: Gun, Car-keys, Headgear, Alcohol
  Observe: Adult
  
  Jodie, Agent
  Night action: Observe
  Interrogation: Not BO
  Scent: No
  Disguise: Yes
  Items: Gun, Car-keys, Glasses, Panties, Alcohol
  Observe: Adult
  
  Camel, Agent
  Night action: Observe
  Interrogation: Not BO
  Scent: No
  Disguise: Yes
  Items: Gun, Car-keys
  Observe: Adult
  
  Kir, Undercover Agent
  Status: NOC
  Night action: Betrayal
  Night action:Special Investigate
  Interrogation: BO
  Scent: No
  Disguise: Yes
  Items: Gun, Car-Keys, Headgear, Panties, Alcohol
  Observe: Adult
  Civilian
  Spoiler:

  Shinichi, Meitantei
  Night action: Investigate 5 OR Interrogate
  Interrogation: Not BO
  Scent: No
  Disguise: Yes
  Items: School book
  Observe: Teenager
  
  Conan, Shrunken Meitantei
  Night action: Investigate 5 OR Interrogate
  Interrogation: Not BO
  Scent: No
  Disguise: No
  Items: School book, Glasses
  Observe: Child
  
  ***The only way Conan and Shinichi can both be in the same game is if someone is disguised as Shinichi***
  
  Heiji, Osakan Meitantei
  Night action: Investigate 5 OR Interrogate
  Interrogation: Not BO
  Scent: No
  Disguise: Yes
  Items: School book, Headgear, Alcohol
  Observe: Teenager
  
  Hakuba, Foreign Meitantei
  Prep and Night/Day action: Travel
  Night action: Interrogate (can't use it while not in Japan)
  Interrogation: Not BO
  Scent: No
  Disguise: No
  Items: School book
  Observe: Teenager
  Note: Starts the game outside of Japan.
  Can either Travel OR Interrogate during Night. Can either Travel OR Vote during Day.
  
  Kogoro, Drunk Meitantei
  Status: Drunk OR Sober
  Night action: Interrogate (random result when drunk)
  Day action: Analyze (when sober)
  Interrogation: Not BO
  Scent: No
  Disguise: Yes
  Items: Alcohol
  Observe: Adult
  Note:
  Starts the game Drunk in case at least of of those roles Eri, Ran, Conan or Shinichi are in the game.
  A disguised Ran etc. doesn't count.
  If none of these roles are in the game from the beginning, the player starts as Sober.
  The player gets Sober the phase after Eri, Ran, Conan or Shinichi dies.  Disguised roles don’t count.
  Injured Ran because she is Successfully protecting someone on night will made Kogoro Sober. (Day protections, or injured by First Aid wont count)
  Gets sober after 6 townies have died by default
  If Eri, Ran, Conan or Shinichi get erased, then Kogoro won't get Sober and will stay drunk.
  
  Yusaku Kudô, Genius Author
  Night action: Interrogate OR Deduction OR Reveal Culprit
  Interrogation: Not BO
  Scent: No
  Disguise: Yes
  Items: Car-Keys, Glasses
  Observe: Adult
  
  Okiya Subaru, Graduate Student
  Night action: Detect
  Night action: Deduction
  Interrogation: Not BO
  Scent: Yes
  Disguise: Yes
  Items: Car-keys, Glasses, Alcohol
  Observe: Adult
  
  Haibara, Shrunken Scientist
  Day action: Follow
  Interrogation: Not BO
  Scent: No (wouldn't follow herself anyway)
  Disguise: No
  Items: School book, Panties, Alcohol
  Observe: Child
  
  Kazuha, Charm Maker
  Day action: Accompany
  Day action: Charm
  Interrogation: Not BO
  Scent: No
  Disguise: Yes
  Items: School book, Headgear, Panties
  Observe: Teenager
  
  Agasa, Inventor
  Day action: Bow-tie
  Day action: Tranquilizer Watch
  Interrogation: Not BO
  Scent: No
  Disguise: Yes
  Items: Car-keys, Glasses
  Observe: Adult
  
  Makoto, Foreign Protector
  Prep and Night/Day action: Travel
  Night/Day action: Protect (can't use it while not in Japan)
  Interrogation: Not BO
  Scent: No
  Disguise: No
  Items: School book, Glasses
  Observe: Teenager
  Note: Starts the game outside of Japan.
  Can either Travel OR Protect during Night. Can either Travel OR Vote and Protect during Day.
  If he protects successfully, he'll fly out of Japan (see Protect ability for more details)
  
  Ran, Protector
  Night/Day action: Protect
  Interrogation: Not BO
  Scent: No
  Disguise: Yes
  Items: School book, Panties
  Observe: Teenager
  Note: If she protects successfully, she'll get Injured
  
  Araide, Doctor
  Night action: Heal
  Interrogation: Not BO
  Scent: No
  Disguise: Yes
  Items: Car-keys, Glasses
  Observe: Adult
  
  Sumiko Kobayashi, Elementary Teacher
  Night action: First Aid
  Day Action: Voice of Reason
  Interrogation: Not BO
  Scent: No
  Disguise: Yes
  Items: Car-Keys, School book, Glasses, Panties
  Observe: Adult
  
  Eri, Lawyer
  Night action: Lawsuit, Cross-examine
  Night action: Cross-examine
  Day action: Voice of Reason
  Interrogation: Not BO
  Scent: No
  Disguise: Yes
  Items: Car-keys, Glasses, Headgear, Panties
  Observe: Adult
  
  Sonoko, Best Friend
  Status: Friends
  Prep. action: Friendship
  Interrogation: Not BO
  Scent: No
  Disguise: No
  Items: School book, Headgear, Panties
  Observe: Teenager
  
  Eisuke, Trickster
  Night action: Discombobulate
  Interrogation: Not BO
  Scent: No
  Disguise: Yes
  Items: School book, Glasses
  Observe: Teenager
  
  Asami Tsuburaya, Trickstress
  Night action: Discombobulate
  Interrogation: Not BO
  Scent: No
  Disguise: Yes
  Items: School book, Panties
  Observe: Teenager
  
  Ayumi, Detective Boy
  Status: Group
  Day action: Identify
  Interrogation: Not BO
  Scent: No
  Disguise: No
  Items: School book, Headgear, Panties
  Observe: Child
  
  Mitsuhiko, Detective Boy
  Status: Group
  Day action: Identify
  Interrogation: Not BO
  Scent: No
  Disguise: No
  Items: School book
  Observe: Child
  
  Genta, Detective Boy
  Status: Group
  Day action: Identify
  Interrogation: Not BO
  Scent: No
  Disguise: No
  Items: School book
  Observe: Child
  
  1412, Master Thief
  Prep. Action: Disguise
  Night action: Steal
  Interrogation: Not BO
  Scent: No (no matter what disguise he has)
  Disguise: No
  Items: Gun, School book, Glasses, Headgear + items from disguise
  Observe: depends on disguise, If not disguised: Teenager
  Note: It is in 1412's best interest to not tell his true identity to anyone.
  
  Yukiko Kudô, Talented Actress
  Day action: Temporary Disguise
  Prep. Action: Choose Costumes
  Interrogation: Not BO when not disguised; with disguise: depends on disguise
  Scent: No, no matter what disguise
  Disguise: No
  Items: Car-Keys, Panties + the items of her current disguise.
  Observe: Adult
  
  Jirokichi Suzuki, old fartExperienced Explorer, Veteran Adventurer, and Eccentric Multimillionaire
  Night action: Give Gem
  Interrogation: Not BO
  Scent: No
  Disguise: No
  Items: Gems. Lots of them
  Observe: Adult
  If one of his Gems gets stolen, he will get into contact with Nakamori, so they can bring down Kid together.

The problem is how the mafia decides on how to kill. Everything is fine as long as all players agree on a target and which of them should be out to kill the victim. Or as long as Anakota is in the game to make the final verdict. But if the players can not agree on a target they could all vote for different players. Who should be killed then? This will probably rarely matter, but for example in a game with 4 mafia - 2 of them are lovers - what would happen if the lovers suddenly decide to start killing their own team members? None of the two mafia-internal fractions would ever get the majority.
Note that it should not be possible for "no kill" in that situation. Otherwise the mafia could choose not kill anyone in any other situation as well, which is not allowed by the rules.

(If Anokata is not present in a game, the BO have the option of electing a leader who makes the decisions but has no additional powers otherwise.)

The second problem concerns the snipers (Korn, Chianti, Calvados). At the moment nothing would hinder them to be assigned the killer every round, which would make the protector roles completely useless.

Sakina wrote:

The second problem concerns the snipers (Korn, Chianti, Calvados). At the moment nothing would hinder them to be assigned the killer every round, which would make the protector roles completely useless.

Wrong again.  This was solved in game 2.  BO members can only kill once until all other members have killed only once.  Then they each have a second turn to kill and after that... well all the other players have probably been killed by the time they all finish having their second kill.  Since this doesn't seem to be clear already I'll add something onto the front page to clarify.

The last pm sent to me with a killing order is the one the GM uses.  It's been that way since game 1.  It's not in the rules since it's kind of implied in GMship... that way people can change their actions if they want to.

Sakina wrote: I would also put Pisco under Intimidator along with Vodka.  He certainly seems intimidating.  Just look what he did to Haibara. 

He's also not a pawn in any sense of the word.  If he had succeeded in his mission he certainly would have gone on to do other deeds.  He was only killed by Gin because he was caught on camera.  Pawns are things that are used and discarded... like Akemi. 

In my opinion if you want pawns in the game, you need to give them something else.  Having them disguise is an ability much too powerful for a mere pawn, even in its current limited state.  So, if you really must insist on having them in the game, I will suggest not giving them any ability at all and having them be just random BO members like Vodka was before his ability change. 

Perhaps they don't even get a say in who to kill.  They can simply be ordered to kill.  Or, if you want to be more specific, they are ordered to kill and have the right to refuse.  If they refuse then they and the person they were going to kill are both killed.  Akemi and what's-his-name-serial-killer-guy would be examples of this.  No members with codenames allowed.

Well, if the problem is solved already... great.  Wink Just one thing... it was suggested that not only protectors are negated by the snipers, it works also against the watch. And prevents that the identity of the attacker is known (for example by Sonokos ability).

Someone in possession of the Watch is protected from the BO as if he were protected by Ran or Makoto, but he needs to fire from the distance so he does not get to see the attacker's face and will therefore not learn his identity.

Haibara is intimidated by every BO member. Tequila is much more intimidating.

Pawns are not used and discarded. They are just the weakest link.
Maybe the name is not the best description for them. Their "ability" is based on that they had (or pretended to have had) a second life beside their BO abilities. A "civilian" identity.

dictionary wrote:A person or an entity used to further the purposes of another

dictionary wrote:a person, group, etc., manipulated by another

They have no disguise (unlike Kid and Vermouth, they will not get the abilities of their target). Their ability has just an effect when they die to confuse the town - and it is never good for BO when one of their member dies. (And when Sonoko tries to befriend them). Otherwise they are just a BO member without an ability while they are alive.
Considering how many abilities the town has it is just fair if the BO also get a little bonus.

Having no right in the vote who to kill sounds fair.
But I don't see the use for them to refuse...

xpon wrote: BTW.. got an idea for a new ROLE

Spoiler:

Sumiko Kobayashi

Know the identities of all members of the Detective Boys (Include Conan and Haibara)
Cannot be disguised as.

so she will know 5 person wo inocent.. but just that .. ha ha ha

Xcommando wrote:

xpon wrote: BTW.. got an idea for a new ROLE

Spoiler:

Sumiko Kobayashi

Know the identities of all members of the Detective Boys (Include Conan and Haibara)
Cannot be disguised as.

so she will know 5 person wo inocent.. but just that .. ha ha ha

Great then their would be are 6 people dominating the lynching vote... BAD IDEA!!!

xpon wrote: BTW.. got an idea for a new ROLE

Spoiler:

Sumiko Kobayashi

-Know the identities of all members of the Detective Boys (Include Conan and Haibara)
-Cannot be disguised as.
-Cannot tell The others (including DB)  so she must keep her information and identities to herself...(she is like a Rampo maniac so no ones gonna belive her right)

so she will know 5 person wo inocent.. but just that .. ha ha ha

Sakina wrote:

xpon wrote: BTW.. got an idea for a new ROLE

Spoiler:

Sumiko Kobayashi

-Know the identities of all members of the Detective Boys (Include Conan and Haibara)
-Cannot be disguised as.
-Cannot tell The others (including DB)  so she must keep her information and identities to herself...(she is like a Rampo maniac so no ones gonna belive her right)

so she will know 5 person wo inocent.. but just that .. ha ha ha

No

xpon wrote:

Sakina wrote:

xpon wrote: BTW.. got an idea for a new ROLE

Spoiler:

Sumiko Kobayashi

-Know the identities of all members of the Detective Boys (Include Conan and Haibara)
-Cannot be disguised as.
-Cannot tell The others (including DB)  so she must keep her information and identities to herself...(she is like a Rampo maniac so no ones gonna belive her right)

so she will know 5 person wo inocent.. but just that .. ha ha ha

No

Saki-Sensei... it breaks my heart to read your SUPER DUPER SHORT Message!

while you post a long and detailed one in the previous post.......

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i mean that kobayashi sensei will come to the games if all the others roles is out... (we must prepare to have a mafia games with 40+ member right)

Sakina wrote: While it may be possible to eventually have games with 40 people, we don't at the moment.  And if we do eventually end up with 40, we will probably have normal civilians who don't have any abilities and are just there for BO fodder and a lynch vote. 

So no, we shouldn't be preparing for 40 unless you plan to bring in 30 of your friends to play.