Mafia Round 6 (Town Wins!)

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conia wrote: Okay, what happened in Night 2 was:
Callid went to kill Ctu. Ctu went to protect Beastly. blurfbreg chose to heal Beastly. c-square chose to use First Aid on Ctu.

Callid had to go to Beastly's house, because Ctu was there protecting him. Callid shot Ctu in Beastly's place. Ctu doesn't learn the identity of the attacker, because he failed at protecting. blurfbreg gets to Beastly's place. Since Ctu(attacked) was also in Beastly's place, blurfbreg healed Ctu. c-square, who also arrived at Beastly's place to use his First Aid on Ctu, failed because blurfbreg healed him (If both healers try to heal the same player, Araide's healing will prevail over Okiya's).
So, that's the story. Yes, BO got really unlucky.

@xpon: I don't mind modding next Mafia, but I have a test on Thursday. Until then, I can't start with the GM work.
OK, for that case it seems my roles were unclear. However, Araide was only meant to be able to heal the protector only because of his presence if the protector died because he protected the protected one. Or, simply put: if Araide heals someone who is also the target of the BO, noone will die, even if a protector is present.
Imagine it in the following way: We have three persons, Araide, Ran and, let's say, Ai. Ran protects Ai, and therefore watches Ai at whatever she's doing, ready to run to protect her. Araide is ready to heal her (Ai) if she gets wounded, and is watching her for the same reason. If no someone of the BO would try to kill Ai, Ran would jump in the way and defend Ai, getting shot by the BO. Now Araide runs over, because he saw Ran jumping in front of Ai, and heals her. However, if the BO had decided to kill Ran instead, Araide wouldn't have noticed she was attacked, because he was completely focused on what happened to Ai, and Ran had died. That was to ensure that the protector's acting wouldn't result in a dead, although Araide protected the right person, it wasn't meant as it was used in the game - this way, Araide could always protect up to three people each night.
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2. No comment.
3. I beg to  disagree, im automatically a target, after Gin die, my role was weaker especially if i havent learned Okiya and Akai's role. And if we didnt lynch correctly atleast once it will be opposite
4. Read number 2 of your post.
5 Last time, GM ask da oth3r BO if anokata didnt gave a say.
6. Irish's not weak u got a role what if its sherry or eisuke who you found out?
7. My key are broken
1. I talked about PROTECTIVE roles. Protective roles make it impossible for the Mafia to kill someone without revealing a identity. This has nothing to do with the ones you listed. I wasn't talking about strong roles.
3. You were an unlynchable target. With that number of protectors, we needed to take them out first (as Night 2 showed). And you were able to lynch wrong 2 times. It would still have been 2 vs. 1 (if the BO had successfully killed every night, which I doubt).
4. I did. So what?
5. Yes. But you should have noticed that now everybody takes his actions at night, and someone being inactive without announcing it is a very rare event. I also scolded 1412 for not making a provisional order. I'd do so if I knew I'd have only one hour to post (I always have a lot of time left when I make my final decision).
6. --> Role discussion. Not here.
7. ...
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Callid wrote:
conia wrote: Okay, what happened in Night 2 was:
Callid went to kill Ctu. Ctu went to protect Beastly. blurfbreg chose to heal Beastly. c-square chose to use First Aid on Ctu.

Callid had to go to Beastly's house, because Ctu was there protecting him. Callid shot Ctu in Beastly's place. Ctu doesn't learn the identity of the attacker, because he failed at protecting. blurfbreg gets to Beastly's place. Since Ctu(attacked) was also in Beastly's place, blurfbreg healed Ctu. c-square, who also arrived at Beastly's place to use his First Aid on Ctu, failed because blurfbreg healed him (If both healers try to heal the same player, Araide's healing will prevail over Okiya's).
So, that's the story. Yes, BO got really unlucky.

@xpon: I don't mind modding next Mafia, but I have a test on Thursday. Until then, I can't start with the GM work.
OK, for that case it seems my roles were unclear. However, Araide was only meant to be able to heal the protector only because of his presence if the protector died because he protected the protected one. Or, simply put: if Araide heals someone who is also the target of the BO, noone will die, even if a protector is present.
Imagine it in the following way: We have three people, Araide, Ran and, let's say, Ai. Ran protects Ai, and therefore watches Ai at whatever she's doing, ready to run to protect her. Araide is ready to heal her if she gets wounded, and is watching her for the same reason. If no someone of the BO would try to kill Ai, Ran would jump in the way and defend Ai, getting shot by the BO. Now Araide runs over, because he saw Ran jumping in front of Ai, and heals her. However, if the BO had decided to kill Ran instead, Araide wouldn't have noticed she was attacked, because he was completely focused on what happened to Ai, and Ran had died. That was to ensure that the protector's acting wouldn't result in a dead, although Araide protected the right person, it wasn't meant as it was used in the game - this way, Araide could always protect up to three people each night.
I don't see the 3rd person here...
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conia wrote: I don't see the 3rd person here...
Araide, Ran and Ai. Makes three.
Or blurfbreg, Ctu and Beastly. Also three.

I only decided to use Ran instead of Makoto to illustrate the deaths (as Makoto wouldn't die if he simply protected Ai without any interference from Araide).
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conia wrote:
Callid wrote:
conia wrote: Okay, what happened in Night 2 was:
Callid went to kill Ctu. Ctu went to protect Beastly. blurfbreg chose to heal Beastly. c-square chose to use First Aid on Ctu.

Callid had to go to Beastly's house, because Ctu was there protecting him. Callid shot Ctu in Beastly's place. Ctu doesn't learn the identity of the attacker, because he failed at protecting. blurfbreg gets to Beastly's place. Since Ctu(attacked) was also in Beastly's place, blurfbreg healed Ctu. c-square, who also arrived at Beastly's place to use his First Aid on Ctu, failed because blurfbreg healed him (If both healers try to heal the same player, Araide's healing will prevail over Okiya's).
So, that's the story. Yes, BO got really unlucky.

@xpon: I don't mind modding next Mafia, but I have a test on Thursday. Until then, I can't start with the GM work.
OK, for that case it seems my roles were unclear. However, Araide was only meant to be able to heal the protector only because of his presence if the protector died because he protected the protected one. Or, simply put: if Araide heals someone who is also the target of the BO, noone will die, even if a protector is present.
Imagine it in the following way: We have three people, Araide, Ran and, let's say, Ai. Ran protects Ai, and therefore watches Ai at whatever she's doing, ready to run to protect her. Araide is ready to heal her if she gets wounded, and is watching her for the same reason. If no someone of the BO would try to kill Ai, Ran would jump in the way and defend Ai, getting shot by the BO. Now Araide runs over, because he saw Ran jumping in front of Ai, and heals her. However, if the BO had decided to kill Ran instead, Araide wouldn't have noticed she was attacked, because he was completely focused on what happened to Ai, and Ran had died. That was to ensure that the protector's acting wouldn't result in a dead, although Araide protected the right person, it wasn't meant as it was used in the game - this way, Araide could always protect up to three people each night.
I don't see the 3rd person here...

It is true what Callid said. The BO was targeting Ctu (Makoto). And Araide was preparing to heal Beastly (Haibara).
According to the rules that would mean that Araide would not be able to heal Makoto, because he is not his target.

So in that scenario both Araide and Makoto would be following Haibara - but without seeing each other. So Callid would have killed Makoto, while Araide would not have noticed it because he was too busy watching Haibara.

If the BO had attacked Haibara then conias scenario would have been right. But since they didn't Ctu/Makoto should have died that night.
Or actually... barely survived the night after Okinas first aid treatment. So he would have learned the name of his attacker, but should have died at the beginning of the next night.
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Schillok wrote:
conia wrote:
Callid wrote:
conia wrote: Okay, what happened in Night 2 was:
Callid went to kill Ctu. Ctu went to protect Beastly. blurfbreg chose to heal Beastly. c-square chose to use First Aid on Ctu.

Callid had to go to Beastly's house, because Ctu was there protecting him. Callid shot Ctu in Beastly's place. Ctu doesn't learn the identity of the attacker, because he failed at protecting. blurfbreg gets to Beastly's place. Since Ctu(attacked) was also in Beastly's place, blurfbreg healed Ctu. c-square, who also arrived at Beastly's place to use his First Aid on Ctu, failed because blurfbreg healed him (If both healers try to heal the same player, Araide's healing will prevail over Okiya's).
So, that's the story. Yes, BO got really unlucky.

@xpon: I don't mind modding next Mafia, but I have a test on Thursday. Until then, I can't start with the GM work.
OK, for that case it seems my roles were unclear. However, Araide was only meant to be able to heal the protector only because of his presence if the protector died because he protected the protected one. Or, simply put: if Araide heals someone who is also the target of the BO, noone will die, even if a protector is present.
Imagine it in the following way: We have three people, Araide, Ran and, let's say, Ai. Ran protects Ai, and therefore watches Ai at whatever she's doing, ready to run to protect her. Araide is ready to heal her if she gets wounded, and is watching her for the same reason. If no someone of the BO would try to kill Ai, Ran would jump in the way and defend Ai, getting shot by the BO. Now Araide runs over, because he saw Ran jumping in front of Ai, and heals her. However, if the BO had decided to kill Ran instead, Araide wouldn't have noticed she was attacked, because he was completely focused on what happened to Ai, and Ran had died. That was to ensure that the protector's acting wouldn't result in a dead, although Araide protected the right person, it wasn't meant as it was used in the game - this way, Araide could always protect up to three people each night.
I don't see the 3rd person here...

It is true what Callid said. The BO was targeting Ctu (Makoto). And Araide was preparing to heal Beastly (Haibara).
According to the rules that would mean that Araide would not be able to heal Makoto, because he is not his target.

So in that scenario both Araide and Makoto would be following Haibara - but without seeing each other. So Callid would have killed Makoto, while Araide would not have noticed it because he was too busy watching Haibara.

If the BO had attacked Haibara then conias scenario would have been right. But since they didn't Ctu/Makoto should have died that night.
Or actually... barely survived the night after Okinas first aid treatment. So he would have learned the name of his attacker, but should have died at the beginning of the next night.
Ai is protected and Araide can heal Ai or Makoto. That's 2 people, not 3. Because if Callid attacked Araide, Araide would have died.
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conia wrote: Ai is protected and Araide can heal Ai or Makoto. That's 2 people, not 3. Because if Callid attacked Araide, Araide would have died.
Oh, I was talking about a case with both Ran and Makoto. Ran, Makoto and Araide all choose to heal/protect Haibara, and by your ruling none of them (except Araide, of course) can die -> Araide protected three people.
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Callid wrote:
conia wrote: Ai is protected and Araide can heal Ai or Makoto. That's 2 people, not 3. Because if Callid attacked Araide, Araide would have died.
Oh, I was talking about a case with both Ran and Makoto. Ran, Makoto and Araide all choose to heal/protect Haibara, and by your ruling none of them (except Araide, of course) can die -> Araide protected three people.
But having 2 protectors in the same game sounds silly imo...
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conia wrote:
Callid wrote:
conia wrote: Ai is protected and Araide can heal Ai or Makoto. That's 2 people, not 3. Because if Callid attacked Araide, Araide would have died.
Oh, I was talking about a case with both Ran and Makoto. Ran, Makoto and Araide all choose to heal/protect Haibara, and by your ruling none of them (except Araide, of course) can die -> Araide protected three people.
But having 2 protectors in the same game sounds silly imo...
I was talking about possibilities. And you actually included 4 of 5 protective roles. Why not exchange Ran for Agasa?
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Callid wrote:
conia wrote:
Callid wrote:
conia wrote: Ai is protected and Araide can heal Ai or Makoto. That's 2 people, not 3. Because if Callid attacked Araide, Araide would have died.
Oh, I was talking about a case with both Ran and Makoto. Ran, Makoto and Araide all choose to heal/protect Haibara, and by your ruling none of them (except Araide, of course) can die -> Araide protected three people.
But having 2 protectors in the same game sounds silly imo...
I was talking about possibilities. And you actually included 4 of 5 protective roles. Why not exchange Ran for Agasa?
Oh, if that's the case...
Sebolains also marked this point of "BO can´t do a thing when this happens".
Ok, I'm taking out that rule (Which was never a rule, I had to decide in the moment how to take the situation)
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blurfbreg wrote: It's almost like a joke! No wonder Beastly thought I was lying and was a probable BO :-\ I thought Ctu was lying too.
And Pisco eliminated my corpse so no one can even wonder what's real or not. Go xpon & Sebolains (for orchestrating the murder)!
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sign me up...maybe this time I can get a role I have not done before


GM: Conia
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4. Holmes
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Ctu wrote: sign me up...maybe this time I can get a role I have not done before


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3. Beastly
4. Holmes
5. pofa
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7. xpon
8. Ctu
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no.. you got yumi for this round :P


you're talking about role, and it stuck me. in my 2 game of mafia. i always get the newest role.

round 5 is the first for DBs right ? ( xpon-> genta )
round 6 is the first for Pisco right? ( xpon-> pisco )

so if Conia ( teh GM for round 7 ) introduce a new character and i'll get that role.. then yay!!! i am the Beta-tester of mafia
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xpon wrote:
Ctu wrote: sign me up...maybe this time I can get a role I have not done before


GM: Conia
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2. nomemory
3. Beastly
4. Holmes
5. pofa
6. Kleene Onigiri
7. xpon
8. Ctu
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no.. you got yumi for this round :P


you're talking about role, and it stuck me. in my 2 game of mafia. i always get the newest role.

round 5 is the first for DBs right ? ( xpon-> genta )
round 6 is the first for Pisco right? ( xpon-> pisco )

so if Conia ( teh GM for round 7 ) introduce a new character and i'll get that role.. then yay!!! i am the Beta-tester of mafia
no thanks, you can be Yumi this round
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Sure why not.

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Beastly wrote:
xpon wrote:
Beastly wrote:
xpon wrote: no no no..

beastly..

can you just kill me and leave them.. they got nothing to do with us.
Actually if they're not Bo, you would say:

Lynch them if you want, which both of them are giving to me. You would issue a challenge or something.

Cause saying no is like being guilty.
Am i that easily to be predicted????

Normally As a BO i'll Accuse my own teammates to deceive all of you. but i know that if i accuse them, then you'll be suspicious, so i think i'll protect them. BUT, if you think that you'll predict my move then i better accuse  them, so you think they aren't my friend. but again, if you believe what i said, then accuse them is a bad thing. so i better protect them, but after thinking it once more.. accuse and protecting at the same time will confuse you more

confuse you enough? cause i'm confuse my self
Sorry for the triple post:

When protect them.

You said please no:

Which means, you don't want them to get investigated, got followed and ETC. If you said:

Lynch them: Which is IMO a better response, because you're challenging me. Which will make me confused.

But goodluck, one of them will get followed this day, then that must mean that you didn't anticipate it. As you just said no. If you challenged me, i will get a oh no? Will i really follow her/him, xpon is anticipating that they will get follow, then that must mean that they are INNOCENT.
so beastly. i'm not lying when i said nomemory and pofa is not my teammates...i really mean to protect them

as a redemption ha ha ha.. i'm a BO that have religion.
Ctu wrote: no thanks, you can be Yumi this round
you'll be the first player i told if i am yumi ( no mater if you are BO or not)

i think this round we will lost half of our player... so back to the small member group again

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2. nomemory
3. Beastly
4. Holmes
5. pofa
6. Kleene Onigiri
7. xpon
8. Ctu
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