Mafia Round 34: Parkur's Toy Box (Night 4)

[pofa]

To me, the double town alliance was offset by us only having two cops and the BO having a sniper. But you're right about the town/town + BO/BO lover thing.

And hopefully we can start fixing the "we don't have Gin" problem by putting a slander into the BS like hope is thinking of doing. Since that is getting bad.

Btw, I had a blast this round despite it being bumpy in a couple of places. ^^

[KawanoMino]

Good job town.

[PT]

Nobody even knew they were lovers til close to the end, after both of the lovers had been cleared of suspicion anyway, so not really a valid complaint this round imo. And like pofa said, we only had 2 cops anyway. And you guys had a sniper. Sure you had no Gin, but you guys still had a distinct advantage in the beginning. Killing the BFF night one messed you up but you could have recovered from that, especially with 6 BO vs 14 town and only 2 cops.

And don't treat the GM like crap just because you got caught.

[pofa]

Well, the GM made a lot of mistakes this time. (Sorry Parkur. D: *hugs*) But I really don't think those mistakes were why the town won--though they might have made the victory happen faster than it normally would have (and even that could be argued. For instance, even though KL was a mistake town role, I still investigated her to make sure she wasn't BO/Vermouth, and the early deduct list happened when KL already knew to interrogate BK201 that night).

Having been in the middle of it, I think the town won because they allied very quickly, trusted each other with their roles before they had really taken the time to prove each other, and got lucky with that. And pretty soon the BO simply couldn't penetrate the alliance because so many people had proven themselves by catching BO.

[lyndsi]

I'm sorry for that by the way....Only reason I pointed out kleene was because she told xpon to snipe guard yuriko (at least that's what he said...) then she died and stuff so it was kinda a 98% hunch.....I woulda felt epic bad if I was wrong...

I had fun this round....it kept me thinking....(and a lot of the time I had a massive headache and fought for my sanity) but it was fun nonetheless

[PT]

Every GM makes mistakes, and even more so when people are constantly berating them for it. Players need to remember that the GMs are human and have feelings and do stress over mistakes, and breathing down their necks doesn't help.

[Akonyl]

though I wasn't in the round, it sounds to me like Kleene's major issue isn't that parkur made mistakes (which yeah, most GMs have), but that he was dismissive of her when she thought he might have made one. Which, given my few experiences in parkur-GMed games, doesn't seem very farfetched.

[PT]

But even so that doesn't excuse the way she acted.

Honestly if I had been Parkur, I'd have ended the game way earlier just so I didn't have to deal with it. And to think she's whining about mistakes/being caught isn't so far-fetched either given her history, so if you're gonna play that game, I can too.

[BK201]

Whoa whoa...

For me, it doesn't matter who won. The important thing is that we all enjoyed it...

[Kleene Onigiri]

Excuse me, PhoenixTears. I don't think you know what Parkur PMed me.

But first I'm not whining that I lost. I said that town won because of they played good and BO did mistakes. I don't see where I said anything else about the way people played.

Only thing I complained about is the way Parkur GMed this round. Yes, people and GMs do mistakes (I did too). Doesn't mean they have to treat you like shit when you point the mistakes out to them and ask them to clear things up like the Shinichi/Conan thing. Since the Shinichi/Conan thing did confuse both sides, BO and Town.
Town was about to lynch KL/mistrust her.
And a BO was PMing/allying KL, so they could have tried to APTX her as Heiji instead of Shinichi (since you logically would think Shinichi isn't in the game).

Here are the PMs I wrote to Parkur after I died:

Why did the minerva experiment fail? It's almost impossible for it to fail D:

Also, I think the lovers protected each other? You didn#t tell the lover who attacked them tho, I hope? Since that's not what should happen (they shouldn't knew who attacked them)
Also, did moho interrogate IU?
Or how was IU found out?

Experiment failed because the kill failed. Which I forgot.
In the past, a GM once mistakenly gave the lovers the identity of the killer. I knew that vittor was a lover. I didn't know if IU was interrogated tho.
I don't see anything bad in my PM here.

Oh yea.
Also KL is Shinichi? And Yuriko was Conan? What the D:
YOu should tell the BO or compensate somehow. The'll never be able to tell that KL is SHinichi, because Conan already died. Rules wise, there shouldn't be a real shinichi

Asking about the Shinichi thing. Besides my spelling mistakes, I don't see anything wrong. I don't think I was rude or anything. At most, annoying for asking stuff. But everyone does that after they die, don't they?

kleene, don't worry about how i'm running my round

I do worry.
Giving shinichi and conan is a huge mistake, you know.
So tell me >:V

Didn't answer me.
Well, the other questions weren't so improtant, but at least he could have said something about the SHinichi-error

Why not parkur?
THe BO could loose all their APTX on KL, because they CAN'T know she's shinichi! D:

Answering with a picture... means it's trolling someone...

eeyup

Don't be unreasonable! D:

Still doesn't care...


So, really. Was I rude? Did I ask for impossible things?
If you think I did, then fine. But I didn't say anything bad or rude to parkur ever before those PMs.
Only thing would be maybe me saying: "stop doing mistakes D:" after the investigations were wrong and he didn't want to give us the BS investigation results. But that wasn't meant to be mean.


So, I explained my point. Now, if you think I still acted strange, tell me why. I even left DCTP for a bit to leave the game and parkur alone. Was that wrong?

[Vylash]

The Town played great, and the BO made some mistakes. So town deserved to win for sure

But the game setting was unbalanced and also there were too many mistakes done by the GM this round. So, please:

1. Try to avoid making mistakes by rereading the rules in case you're not sure about anything. No one expects that the GM is able to remember every tiny little detail of the rules. But it necessary.
2. If a player says you made a mistake, reread the rules and check out if you did make a mistake or if the player misunderstood something. The best would be to even quote the rules when questions arise. Don't think you're 100% right. Don't troll.
3. If you made a mistake, try to compensate it/clear it up. Not all mistakes can be cleared up, but if they can, do it. Don't troll. Explain why you wouldn't clear something up. Don't troll.
4. If you don't have time to GM, then don't. GMing does take a lot of time. No one will throw stones at you if you can't GM at the time you were scheduled to. Don't troll.

Why it was unbalanced:
- New lover rule had a greater impact than expected imo: If it's Town/Town, you just need to prove 1 town pair, and you automatically have 2 trusted townies. The lovers can easily prove someone together. Creating alliances is way easier that way. Same applies for yumi, she just needs to check out the possible lovers and can easily prove herself to them being yumi with telling them who's their possible lover.
Same goes for finding a BO/BO pair. Once you got someone proven as BO, you know their lover is a BO too.
Thus I don't think it's good to have this "no BO/Town lovers" rule in future rounds :/
Either the normal, old rule or no lovers at all or something completely new :V
- It was a 20 people round with sonoko and Town/town lovers+yumi. Too many alliances-at-the-beginning imo. Adding to that, Conan, Shinichi, Heiji and Agasa in the game without Gin D: Besides that Conan and Shinichi can't be in the same game...
- Again, mistakes. The more mistakes are done, the harder it is for the BO to figure out what's true or what isn't. (I wasn't able to trust the results Parkur told us anymore and didn't know what to do or plan D: )


Anyway, CG town \o/ And nice going BO for going on \o/ *hugs*

1. Everyone makes mistakes kleene, and i did my best to correct those mistakes, if I went back to however many rounds you've done, I doubt I'd see a flawless round with no mistakes

2. I did

3. once again, I did, just because I didn't give you a detailed explanation of what I did to fix it, doesn't mean it didn't happen

4. What the hell are you even talking about? You know what, never mind, don't answer that, because I doubt you even know, now you're just being absurd

After skimming the rest of your ridiculous post, I can summarize it as bitter kleene complaining, I remember you whining when someone even hinted at the fact that round 16 was unbalanced, but of course it's okay for you to do it because you were on the losing side...or something

Honestly if I had been Parkur, I'd have ended the game way earlier just so I didn't have to deal with it.

As much as I wanted to do this, people kept telling me they were having fun, so I didn't wanna end it because kleene decided to be kleene

So, I explained my point. Now, if you think I still acted strange, tell me why. I even left DCTP for a bit to leave the game and parkur alone. Was that wrong?

You were gone for like 2 days and you're still doing the same crap you were doing before you "left"  :|

@pofa: thanks for cheering me up XD

[PT]

It's not just about the PMs, Kleene Onigiri.

You're completely forgetting about everything you said in this thread and on IRC. And you continually whine about things you don't like, and even after the game is over and everyone's roles are in the thread, you're saying the game is unbalanced in the town's favor.

[Kaito Lady]

*cheers her onii-san up*
come on kleene, dont be so hard on him

[Kleene Onigiri]

1. I know everyone makes mistake. I also said I did/do mistakes.
2. What I meant here was the... ah whatever. Looked like you didn't. If you did, that's good!
3. I didn't see you clearing it up. I can't know what you did or what not. I asked you normally imo, but you didn't answer but trolled me instead (at least that's how I felt)
4. You didn't wrote stores anymore. Not sure why. My conclusion was you were busy with other stuff. If not, ok. But generally, if someone doesn't have time, he/she shouldn't force themselves. This one isn't necessarily aimed at you.

Round 16 was unbalanced. Maybe it was whining for you, I don't know. But back then I wanted to explain why I did my round how I did it. For me, that's not whining.

Parkur, if I hurt you or was rude to you, I'm sorry. But all I wanted back then was some information about the game, which people usually do.
I was angry because you responded in a "I don't care, GTFO" way to me (in those PMs).
I overreacted and I'm sorry for that. I know I overreacted and needed to calm down and backed off too.
I hope there won't be any bad feelings now anymore and I hope that people understand that I'm also just human and can overreact too and do mistakes.


@PT: Actually, first I thought that 6 BOs is too much and bad for Town.
And I do think that the lovers rule isn't such a good idea.
Having sonoko + those lovers in a small game is much. But all this is a analysis after the game ended. Parkur couldn't have known and I'm not blaming him for that. Since no BO/town lovers was a nice idea, but it backfires imo.
But I didn't know that I'm not allowed to talk about the game after I died.

[PT]

Writing a story isn't a requirement and is completely up to the GM if they want to or not.

So... If this game was unbalanced in the town's favor just because they won easily (despite too many BO/not many cops), wouldn't that mean my game was unbalanced in the BOs favor? Town won easily this time but not JUST because of Sonoko, and not at all because of the lovers, as I said earlier. BO won easily in my game, despite me thinking it was balanced. So apparently no matter what the odds are like, the game is unbalanced because someone wins easily?