Forum Mafia Round 54 (Town wins!)

[Raiden]

...and even though there were so many people who claimed to have trusted me, Gio and (ironically enough) Raiden were pretty much the only two who actually told me their actions. Not to mention every officer I talked to pretended to not be an officer.

Obviously I felt like we had a connection, and look, you happened to be me this round - not all too wrong? :V

I may or may not have been trying to get you to share you action too, but that didn't go anywhere. We should have framed you for Jecka's murder. Honestly my gut feelings for this game's been pretty lousy; I kept imagining a (non-)appearing prep role, if not Yumi then KID because Nakamori. Also. I thought Yuriko was Araide between N1-N2 until she hinted/said Akai. Also thought Kamite was SIer for some reason. :x
Later half of the game it got a little better since I seem to have had the right thoughts of Paix being SOer, PT / Takagi, Pofa/ Shinichi.

Spoiler: And since Hayley was wondering what Araide would look like with the bowtie, I sorta doodled this. :V

Adorable. \o/

@Aly: I'm curious who was healed Night 4! Tell, tell, tell! Mainly just want to know if we wasted our bribe that night (Hayley got a room full of kirby plushies :3)

@Kleene: Doooooooooooo eeeeeeeet! \o/

Hmmm... *Imagines Gin putting Yoko in handcuffs and taking her away to a locked room* ...just me or could that be taken the wrong way? :x

[Iwamoto Yuri]

@Kleene: Doooooooooooo eeeeeeeet! \o/

^^^^^

[Kleene Onigiri]

XD
I try to once I have more time :x

[Paix672]

\o/ Awesome round! Thanks for GMing, Hayley! I really liked the phase change stories.

I thought the BO did a great job. It's interesting that most of them weren't caught based on concrete evidence, haven't decided yet if that's good or bad. :x

@Kleene: I was mostly leaning towards you being town until you tried to get me lynched, but I kept the possibility of you being Anokata in mind, which is why I never really told you anything about myself. I actually didn't tell anyone anything til the very end.

@Yuri: I was honestly mostly convinced that you were the most likely BO out of everyone else. :x Among other things, it was mostly because you were asking for a cop when you could've called out for a lynch. It really came across as though you were trying to lure out the cop/have somebody arrested for a blamed action, and I was like "uh-huh, BOdar through the roof :x". I wasn't aware of Raiden knowing Yuriko's role so I didn't suspect him as much. Bash was talking me into lynching Meme, but she had nothing going for her except that she knew xpon's role (which I'm sure everyone else was able to figure out). Gio was a possibility too, but there wasn't nothing particularly suspicious about her, and I was more or less sure the rest were town. With no clear lead at that point, and the cops dying left and right, I figured you were our best bet and I tried to talk the rest into lynching you. Then Kleene busted that "lead" against me out of nowhere and I had to save my ass. :x It was really risky, and I was really glad it paid off in the end -- with a Not BO interrogation and having committed no crimes, there was really no way for us to catch you til later on and you could have infiltrated the alliance by then and snuck in a couple of APTXes. People assumed I interrogated you and I didn't refute it because I was hoping an APTX would be wasted on me if you were indeed BO.

My hunches about the roles were right. I had Kirby pinned down as the cop. I knew there was a healer because of SO and figured it would be Aly, I was told Gio had SI, and I figured bash would be Agasa, I also knew Meme had to be a sniper because apparently I wasn't the only one stalking pofa. :O

[bash7353]

And bash was Agasa in the end, damn :V XD

Yeah, I was. I got the feeling Yuri thought I was when I gave her Watch and Bowtie. Seemed to me like she might be fishing. Good thing, I didn't trust her even more than I did, I guess. But when I gave the stuff to Raiden I thought it was over...

Btw. some people really thought I'm town? \o/

I'm usually pessimistic. So if someone whose allegiance I don't know anything about is thrown in jail, I'll assume there's still the same number of evil people around. Wouldn't want to be happy about a BO being arrested and later realising that they're actually town. Plus it looked to me like Kamite arrested and detained the two of us randomly without knowing anything about us. Well, except that you tricked. His will didn't say anything that'd indicate otherwise either.

So yeah, I was inclined to assume you're town.

I love how I was caught on confusion and being me :V. Where the hell did the idea come from that I was Kir or that I was interrogated..? I should take lessons in keeping my mouth shut really XD.

Yeah, apparently, you never were interrogated. The person relaying the lead on you to me just assumed that's how it was gathered.

[Iwamoto Yuri]

@Paix, I was just trying to get Yuriko out of the way really :x. It never really came to mind to lure one out considering I wanted Yuriko to be arrested for the crime she didn't commit XD. I prefer doing things the silent way, especially if I know voting someone can get me in trouble. Calling out a vote on Yuriko did... (and I already felt intimidated by her so I didn't want trouble...)
Considering you don't know me or my way of playing mafia I'm not surprised though, but I played exactly the same I would have played as a townie :V... though as townie more people would have known my role XD
And me allying with PT after last time and making her mad I was afraid of going there, so I let Kleene do the infiltrating... Plus Yuriko's influence made me want to keep my head out of there even more.

@googleearth, I never suspected you of being Agasa honestly :V... I think I SIed you for interrogating me and it showed up negative? I'm not sure... either way I didn't think you'd be Agasa at all. Thanks for the bow tie and watch either way

For next time, peeps, talk to me about stuff, cause if being me gets me into this mess even if I'm town then that could really start ruining games for me :V

[bash7353]

@googleearth, I never suspected you of being Agasa honestly :V... I think I SIed you for interrogating me and it showed up negative? I'm not sure... either way I didn't think you'd be Agasa at all. Thanks for the bow tie and watch either way

After I gave you the tools you said this to me:

and there goes my second ally...
On a side note, was there anything you want me to investigate?

You had never mentioned to me before that you could investigate, yet this seemed to imply I already knew you could, so upon reading that I thought that Was there anything you want me to investigate? meant something along the lines of You gave me the Bowtie to investigate what exactly?

[Iwamoto Yuri]

I just wanted to look helpful :V I had no clue what to use it for so I thought I could as well ask a townie what would be a start. It could help me build some trust
besides, I implied it was temporary and didn't say thanks Agasa. If I knew it was your role I'd have said it to you directly like I did with xpon. (who asked me if I liked his gift to which I replied I got multiple presents.) XD

[Conia]

I kinda want to know why I got targeted Night 2, if there's any reason at all , considering I was the most inactive player up to when... I died :V XD

[Kleene Onigiri]

I kinda want to know why I got targeted Night 2, if there's any reason at all , considering I was the most inactive player up to when... I died :V XD

Basically we wanted to prevent a big alliance forming with you, yuri, pt, pofa, xpon etc. (we knew it's forming a bit already)
So we just choose one of them (which happened to be you since we didn't use actions on you yet either :V)
I didn't knew you had your tests finished on that day D:

[Conia]

I kinda want to know why I got targeted Night 2, if there's any reason at all , considering I was the most inactive player up to when... I died :V XD

Basically we wanted to prevent a big alliance forming with you, yuriKO, pt, pofa, xpon etc. (we knew it's forming a bit already)
So we just choose one of them (which happened to be you since we didn't use actions on you yet either :V)
I didn't knew you had your tests finished on that day D:

*cough* fixed :V

I see, that's a good reason then I was probably going to start talking with them soon enough (And with Raiden too, maybe even earlier than the ones mentioned :V)

[PT]

But why Megure?! D:

^
Yeah, seriously? I could understand maybe Yamato or Chiba, but a HSer? That's just a little too much I think. D:

I really don't think it was too much. First of all, Yamato doesn't have arrest, so if Yamato replaced Megure, we'd be down to 3 arresting cops vs. 5 BO (which includes a sniper).

Anokata couldn't really be traced except for DBs or randomly catching that person killing, same for Bourbon, Gin only has abduct as a crime now (which is invisible to the town unless caught by CE), Chianti would injure a cop if arrested earlier, Pisco is perhaps the most visible one - or even the only visible one.

The only reason town won was because Kamite luckily arrested Kleene when he did (can you imagine the nightmare that would've happened if he hadn't do so?), and because I immediately suspected Raiden when Yuriko died, and then found Kirby and relayed all of my information to him in case of my death (which happened).

Raiden was arrested out of sheer luck. Kirby just guessed that Raiden killed me, but nobody was investigating it that night.

Plus you have to keep in mind who the arresting cops were: me, Stop, Kirby and Kamite. Stop and I are likely to die early (she did; I surprisingly didn't), Kirby will pretty much reveal himself to be a cop by D1 or D2 by arresting - and he did, even if nobody realized it, unfortunately at a time when it proved there were at least two cops still able to arrest in the game; and then he was suspended until N4, putting one of our cops out of commission - and Kamite, who was perhaps the most useful of us until D4. :V

And then you have to keep in mind that 4/5 BO are in similar timezones, so that gives them a big advantage when planning what to do and allows them to be more organized than the BO sometimes can be. :V

All this to say I really don't think having Megure was too much.

[Kleene Onigiri]

I kinda want to know why I got targeted Night 2, if there's any reason at all , considering I was the most inactive player up to when... I died :V XD

Basically we wanted to prevent a big alliance forming with you, yuriKO, pt, pofa, xpon etc. (we knew it's forming a bit already)
So we just choose one of them (which happened to be you since we didn't use actions on you yet either :V)
I didn't knew you had your tests finished on that day D:

*cough* fixed :V

I see, that's a good reason then I was probably going to start talking with them soon enough (And with Raiden too, maybe even earlier than the ones mentioned :V)

Oh god, that reminds me that I wanted to give Bash the BS because I always wrote Bash instead of raiden for some strange reason O_o

@PT:
But I was also a trickster. So the town could have tried to arrest the trickster thinking it's vodka or that I'm not actually Yoko.
Because if Kamite wouldn't have put me up for lynching, I wouldn't have told so many people I'm a trickster (I think. But we can't know that for sure :V)

And yuri was also lynched based on who was killed or more like who the town thought was really town. (as far as I know :V)
Akai and Kujou were also good roles against BO. Especially if Kujou and Megure would have allied :x

But in terms of balancing you never know what will happen in the end XD So since it was so exiting, it was awesome \o/

But I'd like to have a few changes for Pisco. He really doesn't have a real active role D: Just if he kills or if you wanna erase someone when another BO kills someone, which is also just once per game.
And we also didn't use accompany. Since if you use it on your own BOs, you wouldn't see if Kazuha/Ai are following you too D: And pretending to be ai is quite risky.
Come to think of it, you guys also were lucky to take out Pisco first :V He could have saved Bourbon/yuri XD
But adding something to Pisco so he can at least do soemthing active. Even if it's a really weak ability is better than just not being able to do much most of the time :V (ability wise)

[KangarooGirl]

I don't think Pisco is that weak at the moment because he, like Tequila is very strong later in the game. Erasing wills of key players (imagine if Yuriko's and/or PT's will was erased, for example) and being able to accompany to reduce a vote (If Kaz also accompanied the same person as Pisco, the vote count would have gone down by 2) but as you said, as the game gets to really close numbers, Pisco's accompany changes the result entirely.

I honestly think the BO had worse luck than the town in key phases. D2 lynch for example. Kamite had 5 votes originally but saved himself by arresting Kleene and bash. That's what you see on the surface. He also arrests Kleene who is probably the least traceable BO in a sense because no one would be able to prove one way or the other that she's Anokata trickster over town trickster. Gio is the only person who could SI for the N1 kill but she was too busy and she killed Tome, Kujou couldn't distinguish crimes. The police COULD have tried to narrow it down via arrests but would most likely hit multiple suspensions before doing so because why would Anokata kill N1 (and even then she could've claimed a blame). He also detains bash which meant the BO had one less night phase with the Bowtie and Watch. It definitely made the BO wonder if the townies had it N3 and whether it was coincidence they didn't have it when bash went to jail. And when things fall perfectly in place like that in mafia you kinda get skeptical :x

Also if the BO chose to SI bash investigating instead of interrogating I think bash would've been aptxed with Yuriko and xpon :x


Also I'm glad you guys enjoyed the game. The purpose of it was to show people how awesome having more FM can be like we used to have, since we only really ever play MM anymore. And I'm glad you guys like the stories, I know a lot of you missed them too. It was fun writing them Credit goes to Yuriko, PT, Kirby, Kleene, Raiden, Yuri, KaiRai, Conia and pofa for story ideas. And the pics too.

@Raiden: N4 Aly healed herself so yes, bribe was not required :x

[Kirbypepe]

I don't eat everyone =X =X just you know. The delicious looking ones =X

And yeah Raiden's arrest was pure luck, I had no idea who killed PT but when I was thinking the game was 5 vs. 4 and Bash was being stubborn in attempting to vote someone other than Yuri, I had to take a shot in the dark and hope for the best. If the arrest didn't go through I was thinking the vote would have been tied (I had no idea an APTX would go through, or that you had enough info to APTX). That would have changed the game completely.

As for the Yuri lynch, yes Paix only told me that it she has info that Yuri is BO not what it was, I made the assumption of interrogate and went with that when I asked everyone about the information. I also asked about the Paix "lead" and no one knew about it that got back to me. Giogio never responded to my PM and Meme responded after phase change telling me she had no idea. But the only reason I began to suspect Yuri was because Bash was arguing with me that she could be Kir because I told him it was an interrogate (once again I assumed =X) and he said Yuri had SI. When I asked Yuri involving any sort of information, she told me she knows Meme didn't kill Jecka (which went in line with the SI ability, but could have been investigate as well) and that Yukiko/Irish are probably not in (which made no sense with only SI, and SIing every phase for ChooseCostumes seems like a waste after Night 1) so I thought it was a SI/Detect role. Then I thought why check Yukiko at all as a townie =X

@PT, but but but I tried so hard to resist arresting early so that people wouldn't think that I was cop =X =X (failed by D2, would have done it earlier) but but but still =< =< I know I have a tendency of arresting early which is why I delayed it (thanks to bash though cause I was going to attempt Yuri killed Jecka Night 1, until he said Yuri didn't kill so I was like yeah probably shouldn't arrest =X =X =X)