Forum Mafia 59: Loosha's Grand Sea Adventure Town wins

[Kirbypepe]

What's done is done =\ After the initial fallout I was a bit upset too but then we didn't lynch Yuri because of the impossibility of KID-Makoto but rather all the other crap that went on.

Yeah, what was up with that anyway? As far as I know DA called off the vote for me but then more than half including DA still voted for me even though multiple people backed her up on the fact you SHOULDNT vote for me. What made you all vote anyway.
(I guess I was most annoyed at DA for calling off the vote then voting herself still)

We told DA to continue voting, it was part of the plan in order to catch you (who I was thinking as Akemi). We were relying a lot on the information that Furuy would be giving us with his Stake-outs, but the two phases we needed them, he didn't do it (Night 3 according to him was no Action sent, and Night 4 he SO'd me and told me I ONLY was observed when in fact I was tricked as well, which made me think he was being serious he observed me and he is a sniper). So I went with telling people to still vote you even though DA announced to call it off.

[Iwamoto Yuri]

What's done is done =\ After the initial fallout I was a bit upset too but then we didn't lynch Yuri because of the impossibility of KID-Makoto but rather all the other crap that went on.

Yeah, what was up with that anyway? As far as I know DA called off the vote for me but then more than half including DA still voted for me even though multiple people backed her up on the fact you SHOULDNT vote for me. What made you all vote anyway.
(I guess I was most annoyed at DA for calling off the vote then voting herself still)

We told DA to continue voting, it was part of the plan in order to catch you (who I was thinking as Akemi). We were relying a lot on the information that Furuy would be giving us with his Stake-outs, but the two phases we needed them, he didn't do it (Night 3 according to him was no Action sent, and Night 4 he SO'd me and told me I ONLY was observed when in fact I was tricked as well, which made me think he was being serious he observed me and he is a sniper). So I went with telling people to still vote you even though DA announced to call it off.

The least you could have done is give me a heads up... I felt extremely betrayed that night.
Why the hell would I point out to people Akemi was around if I was her?

[Kirbypepe]

The least you could have done is give me a heads up... I felt extremely betrayed that night.
Why the hell would I point out to people Akemi was around if I was her?

To get people to think there was Kid as well and that you could be Kid? It would be the easiest way to get people to not go crazy and immediately arrest you.

As for telling you, yeah I could have, but I honestly didn't trust you to begin with, because of our exchange involving you saying Jecka was an adult.

EDIT: Although that was more my fault cause I didn't think of the possibility of getting an adult item from Jecka and that you were the thief who got it.

[KangarooGirl]

There was the other part we didn't really want the BO to know we were lynching so that we could read the votes to figure out more BO suspects but since you were town and we ended up telling two BO it was for nothing

We didn't announce Ichi's and did it the way we did because we thought Ichi was the sniper and wanted to avoid revenge. *sighs*

[cinnamoroll]

\o/ Yay!!!!!!!!!!!! \o/

*offers Loosha shaped cookies to all the players and the GM*

I'm glad I joined! It was fun! \o/

[Nemomon]

As everyone was cheering for the end game, a player on caught on a hook the entire game was Nemomon (Shiratori) on the side off the ship. "Oi don't forget about me. Anybody? Hello?" Nemomon then got to missed all the fun that was going on the ship until he was set free at soon as the ship docked.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGyPuey-1Jw ^^"

Congratz Town!

[Fujiwara]

Wait, wait, wait.

Makoto was NOT a prep role in this game right?

I didn't realize this when Kamite asked me about it in regards to the BO losing a poison on Kid-Makoto. He decided to give them their poison back because of it.

That absolutely should not have been the case, and if I realized that Makoto was not a prep role, I would absolutely have said "No, the BO may not have their APTX back."

Sorry about that, town. And BO - read the rules. If it's not actually against the rules, then don't whine about losing an APTX on it.

(Also this is kind of why it's a bad idea to rely on the opinion of someone who is not playing the game. Odds are they have not read your rules and don't know specifically what's going on.)

It wasn't a prep role, but the Character profile for Hakuba explicitly said "Disguise: No" which was weird for a non-prep role, but still makes Kid-Makoto against the rules and I'd say returning the APTX was the correct course of action.

*hands out chocolate-chip cookies to everyone*

[MoonRaven]

I don't know what to think... Of course I'm pissed that BO lost but I kinda saw it coming ever since I was arrested. Well, congrats town. I had fun playing with you.

[Iwamoto Yuri]

The least you could have done is give me a heads up... I felt extremely betrayed that night.
Why the hell would I point out to people Akemi was around if I was her?

To get people to think there was Kid as well and that you could be Kid? It would be the easiest way to get people to not go crazy and immediately arrest you.

As for telling you, yeah I could have, but I honestly didn't trust you to begin with, because of our exchange involving you saying Jecka was an adult.

EDIT: Although that was more my fault cause I didn't think of the possibility of getting an adult item from Jecka and that you were the thief who got it.

Yeah, sure, then Jecka would've thought the same, right? And DA knew I stole from Jecka so by talking to her she would have known that wasn't the case. (Because I confronted her about her role, which I wouldn't have done were I BO, I'd have her APTXed right away even if she's my sis).
Besides, that would be OOC, as I never mention the role I am is in if I'm BO because I think that's incredibly stupid. Mentioning that at all is stupid.

[Kleene Onigiri]

Wait, wait, wait.

Makoto was NOT a prep role in this game right?

I didn't realize this when Kamite asked me about it in regards to the BO losing a poison on Kid-Makoto. He decided to give them their poison back because of it.

That absolutely should not have been the case, and if I realized that Makoto was not a prep role, I would absolutely have said "No, the BO may not have their APTX back."

Sorry about that, town. And BO - read the rules. If it's not actually against the rules, then don't whine about losing an APTX on it.

(Also this is kind of why it's a bad idea to rely on the opinion of someone who is not playing the game. Odds are they have not read your rules and don't know specifically what's going on.)

See, you yourself didn't know either that Makoto was not a prep role.
And it's even more frustrating when you check the rules on the "wrong" section, because this is still in the rules:

Disguise
Player disguises as role.
- Roles with action: Vermouth, Kid
- Prep action, crime, remains so long as it is not removed due to injury or an ability.
- Can be investigated.
- The GM will choose a role not in the game and give that disguise to the player on Night 1. So, this isn't really a prep phase ability anymore, but it doesn't make much sense as a status. The player will still be able to use their disguise abilities on Night 1, this is just because having Vermouth/Kid choose disguises amounted to nothing more than getting a random one anyway.
- The player is able to use all of the abilities that the role they're disguised as could use.
- Scent won't be taken. So 1412 disguised as Akai or Okiya etc, won't have a scent.
- Vermouth will always have a scent, whatever disguise she gets
- They can't disguise as: BO members, Conan, Haibara, DBs (Ayumi, Genta, Mitsuhiko), and Prep. Phase roles (Sonoko, Yumi, Vermouth, 1412, Hakuba, Makoto)
- It is possible that KID and Vermouth obtain the same disguise, as they don't consider disguises as roles "in the game" when getting a disguise.
- The player will have items from his original role and from his disguised role. So he can have 2x gun in case 1412 or Vermouth disguises as a police officer.

So the rules say both, that Makoto is a prep role and that makoto isn't a prep role. To be more precise actually, the rules say Makoto is a prep. phase role, just that makoto doesn't have prep action. But it doesn't as anywhere explicit that Makoto isn't a prep. Phase role, even if it sounds strange :x

So I explained to Kamite the problem, but since I was BO and was obviously not impartial because of that (:P) I suggested to Kamite to get another opinion from a neutral party. Since the rules are just messed up currently with a lot of mistakes, which isn't Kamites fault but also shouldn't punish the players imo.
I even suggested to give us a "old" APTX back instead of the normal one. Meaning an APTX that would be used up whether it is right about the role or not.
So whatever Kamite decided to do, I would have taken the decision :V And Kamite gave us the APTX back \o/

Edit: and like Fuji said, even on the profile it says "Disguise: no" also for Makoto.

Makoto, Foreign Protector
Night/Day action: Protect
Interrogation: Not BO
Scent: No
Disguise: No
Items: School book, Glasses
Observe: Teenager
Note: If Makoto successfully protects, he will become temporarily injured.

[Raiden]

Meitantei Chianti congratulates you on solving the case!
Now let's all have a party! \o/

Thanks for GMing, Kamite! :3 Liked the story, especially the ending sequence where no one really died. Yay! =D

By the way...

As everyone was cheering for the end game, a player caught on a hook the entire game was Nemomon (Cacofonix) on the side off the ship. "Oi don't forget about me. Anybody? Hello?" Nemomon then got to missed all the fun that was going on the ship until he was set free at soon as the ship docked.

^ This part reminded me of this particular ending sequence:

Spoiler: XD

Also, I agree with what Kleene/Fuji said. :x
We really need to streamline the rules so they doesn't contradict themselves...but that's for another topic.

[miyano_shiho]

Congrats town!

Thanks for GMing, Kamite! I had fun being Sherry (and I still am her).

[Stopwatch]

What's done is done =\ After the initial fallout I was a bit upset too but then we didn't lynch Yuri because of the impossibility of KID-Makoto but rather all the other crap that went on.

Yeah, what was up with that anyway? As far as I know DA called off the vote for me but then more than half including DA still voted for me even though multiple people backed her up on the fact you SHOULDNT vote for me. What made you all vote anyway.
(I guess I was most annoyed at DA for calling off the vote then voting herself still)

No viable alternative offered perhaps? Timing could also have been a factor. (EDIT: Okay, maybe not then.)

(Why was I killed btw? Random?)

[Raiden]

(Why was I killed btw? Random?)

I forgot who suggested it, but yeah. Night 1 kills are usually (read always) random. *hugs* Sorry.

A lucky coincidence though as it gave away the DB group being in the game for us. :x

[PT]

It wasn't a prep role, but the Character profile for Hakuba explicitly said "Disguise: No" which was weird for a non-prep role, but still makes Kid-Makoto against the rules and I'd say returning the APTX was the correct course of action.

*hands out chocolate-chip cookies to everyone*

Hakuba isn't Makoto. As far as I know, Hakuba still has travel. Thus, he IS a prep role.

See, you yourself didn't know either that Makoto was not a prep role.
And it's even more frustrating when you check the rules on the "wrong" section, because this is still in the rules:

Disguise
Player disguises as role.
- Roles with action: Vermouth, Kid
- Prep action, crime, remains so long as it is not removed due to injury or an ability.
- Can be investigated.
- The GM will choose a role not in the game and give that disguise to the player on Night 1. So, this isn't really a prep phase ability anymore, but it doesn't make much sense as a status. The player will still be able to use their disguise abilities on Night 1, this is just because having Vermouth/Kid choose disguises amounted to nothing more than getting a random one anyway.
- The player is able to use all of the abilities that the role they're disguised as could use.
- Scent won't be taken. So 1412 disguised as Akai or Okiya etc, won't have a scent.
- Vermouth will always have a scent, whatever disguise she gets
- They can't disguise as: BO members, Conan, Haibara, DBs (Ayumi, Genta, Mitsuhiko), and Prep. Phase roles (Sonoko, Yumi, Vermouth, 1412, Hakuba, Makoto)
- It is possible that KID and Vermouth obtain the same disguise, as they don't consider disguises as roles "in the game" when getting a disguise.
- The player will have items from his original role and from his disguised role. So he can have 2x gun in case 1412 or Vermouth disguises as a police officer.

So the rules say both, that Makoto is a prep role and that makoto isn't a prep role. To be more precise actually, the rules say Makoto is a prep. phase role, just that makoto doesn't have prep action. But it doesn't as anywhere explicit that Makoto isn't a prep. Phase role, even if it sounds strange :x

So I explained to Kamite the problem, but since I was BO and was obviously not impartial because of that (:P) I suggested to Kamite to get another opinion from a neutral party. Since the rules are just messed up currently with a lot of mistakes, which isn't Kamites fault but also shouldn't punish the players imo.
I even suggested to give us a "old" APTX back instead of the normal one. Meaning an APTX that would be used up whether it is right about the role or not.
So whatever Kamite decided to do, I would have taken the decision :V And Kamite gave us the APTX back \o/

Edit: and like Fuji said, even on the profile it says "Disguise: no" also for Makoto.

Makoto, Foreign Protector
Night/Day action: Protect
Interrogation: Not BO
Scent: No
Disguise: No
Items: School book, Glasses
Observe: Teenager
Note: If Makoto successfully protects, he will become temporarily injured.

I dunno if you noticed or not, but I DIDN'T PLAY THE DAMN GAME. I shouldn't have to know the rules inside and out. If there are inconsistencies, then the GM needs to fix them. If you have questions, bring them up with the GM before demanding they fix your APTX issue. I dunno, that may just be me being logical? Who knows.

And for future GMs: Go through the rules before you start your game. Read all of them. Fix any inconsistencies. Don't just copy-paste from the previous game and assume they're fine. This is why we run into problems. People change one thing and then don't change it somewhere else.

And on that note, I'm bowing out of this thread. GM should've fixed the rules before the starting the game, BO should've followed up on the inconsistencies before sending the APTX (if possible) or before asking for their APTX back. Just my opinion.