DC Movie Contest: "Last Wizard of the Century" vs. "Phantom of Baker Street"

[dilbertschalter]

The whole Jack the Ripper thing made me want to strangle someone.   The movie was okay in general though.

Wizard for me.

I'm curious as to what you mean by that exactly. If you're talking about the "Schindler drove Hiroki to suicide and then killed Hiroki's father to prevent his ancestry from become public knowledge" part of the plot, I agree, that was ridiculous. On the other hand, I didn't really find the idea of chasing computer generated Jack the Ripper around London to be that bad; it was pretty campy at times, but DC is hardly known for its seriousness.

[Jd-]

What made Movie 6 so noteworthy is the writing. It was the first (and to date, only) time a Conan movie was written by someone not from the usual anime stable. Nozawa Hisashi was an actual screenwriter and novelist and, while I'm unfamiliar with the rest of his work, it was obvious that he wasn't coming in just to write a Conan movie. After 5 formulaic movies (albeit very good ones), that was exactly what the film series needed. This paradigm shift was very fitting and while the realism was lacking and some points of the story (like with Schindler, as DS just mentioned above) were a tad absurd, the social commentary and Conan-in-Victorian-London angle was very interesting.

As far as I'm concerned, there's little doubt that this is the most accessible and--by general film criteria--the best Conan movie. It doesn't give you everything you'd want from a Conan movie, but the climax was spectacular and believable (if only because it was deliberately set in a fictional framework, unlike the Stuntman Roadshow that was Movie 5).

[Nyarl]

Conan and Kid Meet Anastassia's Relative > Conan vs. Yugioh Filler Villain (sorry SamCurt)

...it was obvious that {the writer} wasn't coming in just to write a Conan movie.

Probably the biggest problem people have with the movie. The guy wanted to write preachy pseudo-philosophical GiTS plots, not good in-genre Conan plots.

[Ran-Fan]

I love both movies, but  definitely The Phamton is one of my favorite DC movies .

I like the way Kid saw  Ran in the end of the Last Wizard.. (somehow is a preview for what is happen in movie 14 ) but in the movie never explain why Kid alredy know that Conan is Shinichi , and that, in my opinión,  is the only bad point in a very good movie . 

[kkslider5552000]

The guy wanted to write preachy pseudo-philosophical GiTS plots, not good in-genre Conan plots.

please use a dictionary before ever typing words you clearly don't know the definitions of

also stop being definitively wrong too. Thanks. 

[dilbertschalter]

What made Movie 6 so noteworthy is the writing. It was the first (and to date, only) time a Conan movie was written by someone not from the usual anime stable. Nozawa Hisashi was an actual screenwriter and novelist and, while I'm unfamiliar with the rest of his work, it was obvious that he wasn't coming in just to write a Conan movie. After 5 formulaic movies (albeit very good ones), that was exactly what the film series needed. This paradigm shift was very fitting and while the realism was lacking and some points of the story (like with Schindler, as DS just mentioned above) were a tad absurd, the social commentary and Conan-in-Victorian-London angle was very interesting.

As far as I'm concerned, there's little doubt that this is the most accessible and--by general film criteria--the best Conan movie. It doesn't give you everything you'd want from a Conan movie, but the climax was spectacular and believable (if only because it was deliberately set in a fictional framework, unlike the Stuntman Roadshow that was Movie 5).

Yeah, I remember being really confused about the movie and looking up who "did it" online after watching it in 2006 or so and being surprised that the dude who did it was sort of a famous TV writer (who had also committed suicide a few years prior). That being said, I'm not entirely sure if Movie 6 is the easy choice for "best" movie. The bad mystery isn't only a problem from a Conan POV, it's also a problem from a critical POV. This is mainly because in addition to being far too easy, the mystery is also integrated into the movie in an insanely hamfisted way; it takes the viewer away from the action and does so not particularly smoothly.

The guy wanted to write preachy pseudo-philosophical GiTS plots, not good in-genre Conan plots.

please use a dictionary before ever typing words you clearly don't know the definitions of

also stop being definitively wrong too. Thanks. 

All the words he's using there are fine; though I don't agree with his characterization of the movie, the words he uses are all apt descriptors.

[Nyarl]

What made Movie 6 so noteworthy is the writing. It was the first (and to date, only) time a Conan movie was written by someone not from the usual anime stable. Nozawa Hisashi was an actual screenwriter and novelist and, while I'm unfamiliar with the rest of his work, it was obvious that he wasn't coming in just to write a Conan movie. After 5 formulaic movies (albeit very good ones), that was exactly what the film series needed. This paradigm shift was very fitting and while the realism was lacking and some points of the story (like with Schindler, as DS just mentioned above) were a tad absurd, the social commentary and Conan-in-Victorian-London angle was very interesting.

As far as I'm concerned, there's little doubt that this is the most accessible and--by general film criteria--the best Conan movie. It doesn't give you everything you'd want from a Conan movie, but the climax was spectacular and believable (if only because it was deliberately set in a fictional framework, unlike the Stuntman Roadshow that was Movie 5).

Yeah, I remember being really confused about the movie and looking up who "did it" online after watching it in 2006 or so and being surprised that the dude who did it was sort of a famous TV writer (who had also committed suicide a few years prior). That being said, I'm not entirely sure if Movie 6 is the easy choice for "best" movie. The bad mystery isn't only a problem from a Conan POV, it's also a problem from a critical POV. This is mainly because in addition to being far too easy, the mystery is also integrated into the movie in an insanely hamfisted way; it takes the viewer away from the action and does so not particularly smoothly.

The guy wanted to write preachy pseudo-philosophical GiTS plots, not good in-genre Conan plots.

please use a dictionary before ever typing words you clearly don't know the definitions of

also stop being definitively wrong too. Thanks. 

All the words he's using there are fine; though I don't agree with his characterization of the movie, the words he uses are all apt descriptors.

Maybe after I figured out how to spell genre... 

[scineram]

Conan and Kid Meet Anastassia's Relative > Conan vs. Yugioh Filler Villain (sorry SamCurt)

...it was obvious that {the writer} wasn't coming in just to write a Conan movie.

Probably the biggest problem people have with the movie. The guy wanted to write preachy pseudo-philosophical GiTS plots, not good in-genre Conan plots.

Word.
Nyarl+
Jd-

[kkslider5552000]

I was expecting a pointless 500 page rant by now on why Movie 6 is worse than terrorists. I'm very dissappointed by your lack of pointless anger. 

but yeah no, as someone who hates preachy movies, not preachy. To say the fn least.

[Jd-]

Conan and Kid Meet Anastassia's Relative > Conan vs. Yugioh Filler Villain (sorry SamCurt)

...it was obvious that {the writer} wasn't coming in just to write a Conan movie.

Probably the biggest problem people have with the movie. The guy wanted to write preachy pseudo-philosophical GiTS plots, not good in-genre Conan plots.

Word.
Nyarl+
Jd-

I believe you (scineram) missed the point of the original post (or didn't read it ), which was that Movie 6 is the most accessible movie as a result of it not being based on the normal formula. I'm not at odd's with Nyarl's (accurate) assessment (as to why people disliked it), but I am at odds with "most people" that would dislike this movie on those grounds--simply because a fair share of them liked movies 10-11 and 13 because they got more fan service from them. No matter how un-Conan this movie may seem, I would take another ten of these rather than what we've gotten lately out of the same old formula.

However, I didn't find the movie to be exceedingly philosophic or instructive. It was effective in its assessment of the distress and burden that Japanese youths face as they're pressured to their expected statuses from the earliest of ages. It's far from perfect as I've said on other occasions, but as far as exploring that social disconnect, it was much more effective than could be expected of an annual sequel to a franchise that began a steady decline after this installment.

Yeah, I remember being really confused about the movie and looking up who "did it" online after watching it in 2006 or so and being surprised that the dude who did it was sort of a famous TV writer (who had also committed suicide a few years prior). That being said, I'm not entirely sure if Movie 6 is the easy choice for "best" movie. The bad mystery isn't only a problem from a Conan POV, it's also a problem from a critical POV. This is mainly because in addition to being far too easy, the mystery is also integrated into the movie in an insanely hamfisted way; it takes the viewer away from the action and does so not particularly smoothly.

Indeed, I wasn't sure exactly what the deal with Movie 6 was either and the first page I read about it while researching back in the day was a Yahoo Groups one detailing the scribe's suicide. I still believe that this movie is the most readily embraceable by the general populace simply because of the reasons you cited; in the end, it comes down to an adventure movie that skirts on the idea of a "what-if" while framing it in reality as best they could. The mystery is very basic and at its lowest points, it really is just simply unremarkable. The highs are nice moments, though, few as they may be on the mystery front (I have always held a certain loathing for Yuusaku's role in this). This movie really doesn't ask the viewer to be a fan going in, either--from the usual conspectus in the beginning, everyone knows exactly what they have to know to enjoy it. I'm not saying that's impossible for the other movies, but for many of them, the dynamics between the characters would be hard to grasp in just one sitting.

[dilbertschalter]

Conan and Kid Meet Anastassia's Relative > Conan vs. Yugioh Filler Villain (sorry SamCurt)

...it was obvious that {the writer} wasn't coming in just to write a Conan movie.

Probably the biggest problem people have with the movie. The guy wanted to write preachy pseudo-philosophical GiTS plots, not good in-genre Conan plots.

Word.
Nyarl+
Jd-

I believe you (scineram) missed the point of the original post (or didn't read it ), which was that Movie 6 is the most accessible movie as a result of it not being based on the normal formula. I'm not at odd's with Nyarl's (accurate) assessment (as to why people disliked it), but I am at odds with "most people" that would dislike this movie on those grounds--simply because a fair share of them liked movies 10-11 and 13 because they got more fan service from them. No matter how un-Conan this movie may seem, I would take another ten of these rather than what we've gotten lately out of the same old formula.

However, I didn't find the movie to be exceedingly philosophic or instructive. It was effective in its assessment of the distress and burden that Japanese youths face as they're pressured to their expected statuses from the earliest of ages. It's far from perfect as I've said on other occasions, but as far as exploring that social disconnect, it was much more effective than could be expected of an annual sequel to a franchise that began a steady decline after this installment.

Yeah, I remember being really confused about the movie and looking up who "did it" online after watching it in 2006 or so and being surprised that the dude who did it was sort of a famous TV writer (who had also committed suicide a few years prior). That being said, I'm not entirely sure if Movie 6 is the easy choice for "best" movie. The bad mystery isn't only a problem from a Conan POV, it's also a problem from a critical POV. This is mainly because in addition to being far too easy, the mystery is also integrated into the movie in an insanely hamfisted way; it takes the viewer away from the action and does so not particularly smoothly.

Indeed, I wasn't sure exactly what the deal with Movie 6 was either and the first page I read about it while researching back in the day was a Yahoo Groups one detailing the scribe's suicide. I still believe that this movie is the most readily embraceable by the general populace simply because of the reasons you cited; in the end, it comes down to an adventure movie that skirts on the idea of a "what-if" while framing it in reality as best they could. The mystery is very basic and at its lowest points, it really is just simply unremarkable. The highs are nice moments, though, few as they may be on the mystery front (I have always held a certain loathing for Yuusaku's role in this). This movie really doesn't ask the viewer to be a fan going in, either--from the usual conspectus in the beginning, everyone knows exactly what they have to know to enjoy it. I'm not saying that's impossible for the other movies, but for many of them, the dynamics between the characters would be hard to grasp in just one sitting.

The problem is that I'm not sure if a lot of people are that interested in the social commentary stuff; it seems pretty hit or miss to me. Also, the fact that the first 40 minutes or so are spent sitting around at a convention center would probably bore quite a few people. Also, I'm not sure if there are any highs at all on the mystery front. Basically the only thing I didn't get right away about the mystery was Schindler being a descendant of Jack the Ripper. The part of the movie I enjoyed most was the train top scene, simply because I love the music used for it; the trip through London was quite fun, but also felt rushed like they were checking off locations/people from a list.

[Akonyl]

I'm voting Baker Street because:
1) I remember it being pretty sweet when I watched it
2) With yet another Kaito movie incoming, yet another doesn't seem as amazing.
3) Gogo underdog

[kkslider5552000]

but I am at odds with "most people" that would dislike this movie on those grounds--simply because a fair share of them liked movies 10-11 and 13 because they got more fan service from them. No matter how un-Conan this movie may seem, I would take another ten of these rather than what we've gotten lately out of the same old formula.

I dunno about 10-11 but outside of the blatant lie intro and horrible ending, wasn't movie 13 just one big fan service for continuity obsessed losers and BO obsessed nerds?

Cause that's at least half of the reason I love movie 13. 

[dilbertschalter]

Also, one thing that always bugged me a bit about 6 (though this is pretty trivial) is the train top scene where Ran jumps off. She had been to Jack the Ripper and he had also tied her arms and feet, yet she manages to stand up somehow. Obviously DC has plenty of not physically possible things, but that just felt sloppy.

[Akonyl]

Also, one thing that always bugged me a bit about 6 (though this is pretty trivial) is the train top scene where Ran jumps off. She had been to Jack the Ripper and he had also tied her arms and feet, yet she manages to stand up somehow. Obviously DC has plenty of not physically possible things, but that just felt sloppy.

were her hands and feet all bound together, or was it just her feet bound together and her hands bound together? Because if it's the latter, it's possible to get onto your feet like that (not exactly the easiest of things though).