dilbertschalter wrote:
Out of boredom, I'm throwing out a side by side review of the two movies, divided into several categories.
Plot, a mix of several factors, particularly pacing (did things flow well) realism (I'm asking about not physical realism, but rather, about whether or not events unfolded in realistic fashion) ability to hold interest (were there points where I wanted to stop watching) and excitement factor (did this get adrenaline flowing/blood pumping/some cliche relating to getting stoked). /50
The plot of Target is far from original. It is basically a blend of "And then there were None" mixed with "the ABC Murders"
As such I think you rate it too high.
Yes crossroads is also a blend of every Ninja movie. But there are two major things going for it
!) we get to see how a sweet romance started.
2) Shinichi makes appearance and I believe this was the only movie where he did.
As such I think you rate it too low
Also Target ending is very predictable. Crossroad has a very unusual place for where the treasure ended up.
First, I don't value originality that much- enjoyment is the most important thing. That being said you are right about it being quite derivative (when the card scheme was unveiled the first thing I thought was "this seems like some ABC murders type misdirect", though I admit I never made the direct connection to "And then there were None"), which is why I don't give it that great a rank for plot; 42/50 isn't that good. As for Target's ending being predictable, it definitely was in some ways, but it was also compelling. Crossroad had a generic swordfight, while Target had a scene that illuminated a 'mystery' of sorts.
Generic sword fight?? I think it was incredibly well done! It seems to me that you just don't like th 7th movie because Heiji's in it.
(I'm not trying to make a fight, thats just what it seems like.)
I started detective conan back up again. It's great to be back. C:
Well, the sword fight at the end was pretty good, considering that the show doesn't necessarily have characters with super powers, and the fact that there's not much sword fights in the series at all. I wouldn't say it was generic though.
dilbertschalter wrote:
Out of boredom, I'm throwing out a side by side review of the two movies, divided into several categories.
Plot, a mix of several factors, particularly pacing (did things flow well) realism (I'm asking about not physical realism, but rather, about whether or not events unfolded in realistic fashion) ability to hold interest (were there points where I wanted to stop watching) and excitement factor (did this get adrenaline flowing/blood pumping/some cliche relating to getting stoked). /50
The plot of Target is far from original. It is basically a blend of "And then there were None" mixed with "the ABC Murders"
As such I think you rate it too high.
Yes crossroads is also a blend of every Ninja movie. But there are two major things going for it
!) we get to see how a sweet romance started.
2) Shinichi makes appearance and I believe this was the only movie where he did.
As such I think you rate it too low
Also Target ending is very predictable. Crossroad has a very unusual place for where the treasure ended up.
First, I don't value originality that much- enjoyment is the most important thing. That being said you are right about it being quite derivative (when the card scheme was unveiled the first thing I thought was "this seems like some ABC murders type misdirect", though I admit I never made the direct connection to "And then there were None"), which is why I don't give it that great a rank for plot; 42/50 isn't that good. As for Target's ending being predictable, it definitely was in some ways, but it was also compelling. Crossroad had a generic swordfight, while Target had a scene that illuminated a 'mystery' of sorts.
Generic sword fight?? I think it was incredibly well done! It seems to me that you just don't like th 7th movie because Heiji's in it.
(I'm not trying to make a fight, thats just what it seems like.)
By "generic" I don't mean "poorly choreographed". I just mean that it doesn't advance any other part of the plot, which is something I think a good climax does.
As for Heiji, he isn't my problem with the movie. My problem is that none of the other characters (except Kazuha) are, well, characters. I like Heiji, but I'm not enough of a fan of his to make me overlook what is, imo, not a very good movie.
"The energies of our system will decay; the glory of the sun will be dimmed, and the earth, tideless and inert, will no longer tolerate the race which has for a moment disturbed its solitude. Man will go down into the pit, and all his thoughts will perish. The uneasy consciousness, which in this obscure corner has for a brief space broken the contented silence of the universe, will be at rest. Matter will know itself no longer. 'Imperishable monuments' and 'immortal deeds,' death itself, and love stronger than death, will be as though they had never been."
pathetic. i like 7 because it had a decent plot and was awsome considering IT'S THE ONLY HEIJI CENTERED MOVIE! now. 14th target was awsome too but give respect people, you're gonna eliminate the only movie centered around another character just because it's up there?
Even though I chose Crossroad in the last poll because of the Swords fight, I don't find it good enough to make it seem better than the second movie. It's a DETECTIVE show, and the kind of mystery from the second movie seemed much like a Detective drama, unlike most of the other movies that mostly seem like "let's do something epic and unrelated to detectives"
Why the swords fight simply isn't enough for me? If in modern times, in realistic settings, there is a swords fight, then it's usually badly forced only for "fan-service". It didn't do anything for the plot. If people want so much to see swords fight, then watch Lord of the Rings, watch Star Wars, watch whatever movie with settings that DO make the swords fight make any sense and not feel too forced.
Also, the "Shinichi is Heiji" so called twist was really bad AND predictable. It also felt really forced in the movie just for the heck of it.
"The energies of our system will decay; the glory of the sun will be dimmed, and the earth, tideless and inert, will no longer tolerate the race which has for a moment disturbed its solitude. Man will go down into the pit, and all his thoughts will perish. The uneasy consciousness, which in this obscure corner has for a brief space broken the contented silence of the universe, will be at rest. Matter will know itself no longer. 'Imperishable monuments' and 'immortal deeds,' death itself, and love stronger than death, will be as though they had never been."
