Shinichi+Ran or Conan+Ai?

[James Rye]

And here I thought CoAi and ShinRan had about an equal number of shippers... The skew is almost 3 to 1. I guess I will have to revise my estimates.

http://forums.dctp.ws/viewtopic.php?p=36942#p36942

http://forums.dctp.ws/viewtopic.php?p=1626#p1626

Those are other polls who shows a much more narrow lead.^^
More like 1.5 to 1. ^g^

[Conia]

I see this as a crushing victory

Seriously: Out of more than 3000 users, this Forum must have at least 200 users how are online at least 1 hour a week. From that, only 14 people voted for Ai+Conan.

Also:

And here I thought CoAi and ShinRan had about an equal number of shippers... The skew is almost 3 to 1. I guess I will have to revise my estimates.

http://forums.dctp.ws/viewtopic.php?p=36942#p36942

http://forums.dctp.ws/viewtopic.php?p=1626#p1626

Those are other polls who shows a much more narrow lead.^^
More like 1.5 to 1. ^g^

ShinRan also wins in this 2 ^^

[AICHAN]

I see this as a crushing victory

Seriously: Out of more than 3000 users, this Forum must have at least 200 users how are online at least 1 hour a week. From that, only 14 people voted for Ai+Conan.

yeah,and only 41 people voted for shinran,compared to the 200 users online in this forum...which shows how much people care about this poll
seriously even I hesitated to vote here because i already voted in 3 polls like that,and I'm tired to repeat myself ...

[Conia]

I see this as a crushing victory

Seriously: Out of more than 3000 users, this Forum must have at least 200 users how are online at least 1 hour a week. From that, only 14 people voted for Ai+Conan.

yeah,and only 41 people voted for shinran,compared to the 200 users online in this forum...which shows how much people care about this poll
seriously even I hesitated to vote here because i already voted in 3 polls like that,and I'm tired to repeat myself ...

I can't see why someone won't vote the pairing he/she supports, despite the cirsumstances... Maybe that's just me

[AICHAN]

I see this as a crushing victory

Seriously: Out of more than 3000 users, this Forum must have at least 200 users how are online at least 1 hour a week. From that, only 14 people voted for Ai+Conan.

yeah,and only 41 people voted for shinran,compared to the 200 users online in this forum...which shows how much people care about this poll
seriously even I hesitated to vote here because i already voted in 3 polls like that,and I'm tired to repeat myself ...

I can't see why someone won't vote the pairing he/she supports, despite the cirsumstances... Maybe that's just me

no,that's not just you...but i was just saying that when you  voted in similar polls,and when you already know the results,it's not very interesting to re-vote again

[Girl19]

And here I thought CoAi and ShinRan had about an equal number of shippers... The skew is almost 3 to 1. I guess I will have to revise my estimates.

I'm actually surprised by this poll's results too, because I'm sure there are more AiCon fans out there (and I'm not saying that just because I'm an AiCon fan, I'm saying it objectively and according to other polls' results).

I was surprised as well, but I guess it's just the "big thread effect"
The 250 pages thread makes our mind think that there are many AiCons.

No really, in other polls AiCon has much more votes. Maybe people are just tired of voting again, and again, and again? And if the AiCon thread is bigger, there's a good reason. And don't forget that there are other AiCon threads too (like the screencaps one and the fan-arts one..). And if you now start thinking that there aren't many AiCon fans, go to Youtube and DA, you'll change your mind back.

I see this as a crushing victory
Seriously: Out of more than 3000 users, this Forum must have at least 200 users how are online at least 1 hour a week. From that, only 14 people voted for Ai+Conan.
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ShinRan also wins in this 2 ^^

It's no victory considering the couples aren't in the same level to start with. One if canon and the other isn't. So even if AiCon doesn't win, the fact that there are so many AiCon fans out there even thought it's not canon proves AiCon is stronger (because most people who'd vote for ShinRan only do that because it's canon, so their votes are biased most of the time, so I personally wouldn't count them).

[Girl19]

Well, theres always a possibility for best friends to become lovers.

Yeah, but it's rare. And that was my point. xD

So they can have beautiful babies and live happily ever after.

LOL, I'm sure Conan and Ai's babies will be cuter and more beautiful.
As for the happily ever after, well it's fiction so, yeah..

You mean when listing reasons X is more "realistic" than Y you suddenly start talking about not-Y?

No, I mean you shouldn't jump to conclusions and type walls of texts when you have no proof.

[Kor]

And if the AiCon thread is bigger, there's a good reason.

there are some good reasons alright:
1) people are spamming the thread every now and then
2) lots of off-topic discussion
3) The thread mostly has its regular people who post all the time. There are repeating discussions and people are repeating themselves every 50 pages.

pick one if you want 

(because most people who'd vote for ShinRan only do that because it's canon, so their votes are biased most of the time, so I personally wouldn't count them).

This is where (I assume) you stopped being objective and turned back into *AiCon fan* mode, since it's such a mere excuse.
The poll basically asks you "Which do you prefer - AiCon or ShinRan?" so if people are voting for ShinRan, what does it matter if they are doing it because it's canon? It still means they prefer ShinRan over AiCon.

Also, these "people who vote because it's canon" obviously do care about this poll and couple (whatever their reason is). If they hadn't cared about the couples, they wouldn't have voted anyone. so why not to take their opinion?

[Kleene Onigiri]

Since I'm rather new, I didn't see the other polls (voted there too now since I saw them now)

So for me this poll isn't boring or repeating. And since I'm not the only new member that joined, such poll results can change over time (like more shinxran fans joined. While aixcon fans are inactive)

[randompi314159]

Yeah, as I'm also new here, and due to laziness, I didn't see the other polls. And I'm all for stating opinions and whatnot, but I can see how this could get dull and repetitive. I usually enjoy certain repetition, but it isn't always fun.

[Girl19]

there are some good reasons alright:
1) people are spamming the thread every now and then
2) lots of off-topic discussion
3) The thread mostly has its regular people who post all the time. There are repeating discussions and people are repeating themselves every 50 pages.
pick one if you want  :P

1. What do you mean by spamming? Give explanation and examples.
2. Almost all threads have lots of off-topic discussions, the ShinRan thread as well.
3. The ShinRan thread also "has its regular people who post all the time. They are repeating discussions and people are repeating themselves every 50 pages".
So, picked none, because no option is valid.

(because most people who'd vote for ShinRan only do that because it's canon, so their votes are biased most of the time, so I personally wouldn't count them).

This is where (I assume) you stopped being objective and turned back into *AiCon fan* mode, since it's such a mere excuse.

Your assumption is wrong because:
1. Actually, when I said I was objective, I was talking about how weird the results of this poll are, knowing that there are definitely much more than 15 AiCon fans out there.

Spoiler:

I'm actually surprised by this poll's results too, because I'm sure there are more AiCon fans out there (and I'm not saying that just because I'm an AiCon fan, I'm saying it objectively and according to other polls' results).

So I actually stopped saying that I was being objective right after replying to Chekhov.
2. I still think the sentence you quoted from my previous post was objective, even though I didn't say so before. It was no mere excuse and I'll explain why in the following.

since it's such a mere excuse.
The poll basically asks you "Which do you prefer - AiCon or ShinRan?" so if people are voting for ShinRan, what does it matter if they are doing it because it's canon? It still means they prefer ShinRan over AiCon.
Also, these "people who vote because it's canon" obviously do care about this poll and couple (whatever their reason is). If they hadn't cared about the couples, they wouldn't have voted anyone. so why not to take their opinion?

- The people who vote for AiCon are AiCon fans.
- The people who vote for ShinRan are:

• ShinRan fans
• People who don't care about pairings, so they just vote for the obvious one..

(And just because they vote, it doesn't mean they care about pairings).

• People who care about pairings, but they only vote for the canonical one because, well, it's canon?

(Which doesn't mean they prefer ShinRan, because if Aoyama made AiCon canon, they'd vote for AiCon).

[Kleene Onigiri]

• - The people who vote for AiCon are AiCon fans.
  - The people who vote for ShinRan are:

  • ShinRan fans
  • People who don't care about pairings, so they just vote for the obvious one..

  (And just because they vote, it doesn't mean they care about pairings).

  • People who care about pairings, but they only vote for the canonical one because, well, it's canon?

  (Which doesn't mean they prefer ShinRan, because if Aoyama made AiCon canon, they'd vote for AiCon).

  I don't think this part: "People who care about pairings, but they only vote for the canonical one because, well, it's canon?[/li]

(Which doesn't mean they prefer ShinRan, because if Aoyama made AiCon canon, they'd vote for AiCon)" is 100% true or is always the case.

People that don't care about either pairing could also vote for AixCon, because if they have to choose between them, then they could just like that one better too. This doesn't have to be related to canon or non-canon.

Well, I thin the option "another pairing/non of the above" is missing.

[Girl19]

I don't think this part: "People who care about pairings, but they only vote for the canonical one because, well, it's canon? (Which doesn't mean they prefer ShinRan, because if Aoyama made AiCon canon, they'd vote for AiCon)" is 100% true or is always the case.

People that don't care about either pairing could also vote for AixCon, because if they have to choose between them, then they could just like that one better too. This doesn't have to be related to canon or non-canon.

Yeah but I meant the poeple who don't care at all and won't even take a few minutes to think if they like AiCon's interaction better..
The people who don't care about pairings will usually vote automatically, meaning they'd vote for the canon pairing.

Spoiler:

Once, I asked my friend, who doesn't give a crap about pairings, which DC couple would she vote for in a poll.. And she was like: "I dunno, Shinichi and Ran? The story's about them, no?". It was obvious for her, she didn't even think about the other canonical pairings, so how could she even consider the non-canonical ones?

Well, I thin the option "another pairing/non of the above" is missing.

I agree. I think many people who voted ShinRan might have voted "another pairing/non of the above" if it was an option. Which may explain why this poll's results are weird compared to the other polls where there were other options available:
- Poll 1 -> ShinRan:94 // AiCon:71 (wih other options)
- Poll 2 -> ShinRan:32 // AiCon:21 (with other options)
- This poll -> ShinRan:41 // AiCon:15 (with no other options)

[Kor]

• 1. What do you mean by spamming? Give explanation and examples.

  certain users post every now and then "AiCon FTW" for no apparent reason, though the real reason maybe to keep the thread on the first page (and on one occasion, the poster admitted it was ONLY to keep the thread on the first page)
  

  2. Almost all threads have lots of off-topic discussions, the ShinRan thread as well.
  3. The ShinRan thread also "has its regular people who post all the time. They are repeating discussions and people are repeating themselves every 50 pages".

  What was the point in comparing it to the ShinRan thread?
  Anyway:
  2) sorry. in the AiCon thread there is ESPECIALLY a lot of off-topic discussions much more than the usual from other threads.
  3) eh.....you're the one who will have to give the examples now.
  

  • People who don't care about pairings, so they just vote for the obvious one..

  (And just because they vote, it doesn't mean they care about pairings).

  This makes no sense. Why would they vote if they don't care? Sure, they can not care about pairings (such as not participate in the discussions about pairings), but the poll asks you "ShinRan or AiCon?" if they vote ShinRan, it means that they prefer ShinRan over AiCon. End of story. Just because they don't care, doesn't mean they don't have a preference.
  They didn't have to vote, but they voted.
  

  • People who care about pairings, but they only vote for the canonical one because, well, it's canon?

  (Which doesn't mean they prefer ShinRan, because if Aoyama made AiCon canon, they'd vote for AiCon).

  But still, if they vote for ShinRan (even though it's canon), it means they prefer ShinRan. You realize that you're contradicting yourself, right? ShinRan is what it is because it's canon, and AiCon is what it is because it's not canon (it also wouldn't make sense to the story otherwise). when you take these qualities out of the pairings, then you're no longer left with ShinRan and AiCon, but with totally different couples.
  
  
  
  

  Yeah but I meant the poeple who don't care at all and won't even take a few minutes to think if they like AiCon's interaction better..
  The people who don't care about pairings will usually vote automatically, meaning they'd vote for the canon pairing.

  Spoiler:

  Once, I asked my friend, who doesn't give a crap about pairings, which DC couple would she vote for in a poll.. And she was like: "I dunno, Shinichi and Ran? The story's about them, no?". It was obvious for her, she didn't even think about the other canonical pairings, so how could she even consider the non-canonical ones?

  That's a bad example. In that situation, you asked her to vote for a couple, without the possibility to not vote. Here however, the users can decide not to vote.
  

  I agree. I think many people who voted ShinRan might have voted "another pairing/non of the above" if it was an option. Which may explain why this poll's results are weird compared to the other polls where there were other options available:
  - Poll 1 -> ShinRan:94 // AiCon:71 (wih other options)
  - Poll 2 -> ShinRan:32 // AiCon:21 (with other options)
  - This poll -> ShinRan:41 // AiCon:15 (with no other options)

  "another pairing" would destroy the intention of this thread which is between the large fan based pairings with Shinichi/Conan.
  OP:

  Just to know which group of fans is larger.

  Also "neither" would not make sense considering the OP's question. Basically, those who don't care, shouldn't have voted at all, but those who did vote, obviously cared enough to vote.

[Yamamura]

Also "neither" would not make sense considering the OP's question. Basically, those who don't care, shouldn't have voted at all, but those who did vote, obviously cared enough to vote.

Finally something in this topic I can agree with.  I can't speak for everyone else, but I don't care and indeed didn't vote.