I remember most of The 14th Target and all of it's mystery, but as far as Crossroad in the Ancient Capital, all I remember is that they all brawl at the end with ninjas or something.
The 14th Target's plot is overall by far more memorable and honestly more inventive.
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Crossroad In The Ancient Capital is my vote.
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I can't seem to remember Crossroad's plot as well... All that I remember is that Heiji is looking for a girl which in the ends seems to be KazuhaMead wrote: I remember most of The 14th Target and all of it's mystery, but as far as Crossroad in the Ancient Capital, all I remember is that they all brawl at the end with ninjas or something.
The 14th Target's plot is overall by far more memorable and honestly more inventive.
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Out of boredom, I'm throwing out a side by side review of the two movies, divided into several categories.
Audio/Music, self-explanatory, the quality of the audio and the music /10
The 14th Target (referred to from here on out as "Target"): This movie has the best soundtrack in the series, with the possible exception of "Captured in Her Eyes", which was uneven, but had some truly superlative tracks. The opening theme is very nice; as the series progressed it was given more of an 'epic' feel, one that I don't think fits very well with the series. In general, judging of DC soundtracks is pretty tricky given that it's mostly the same stuff, just remixed slightly each time (or identical even). Thus what one judges is more how well the music syncs with the action, something that the soundtrack of The 14th Target does very well. There were a lot of flashbacks and I think they were matched quite well by the music. Of the memorable scenes in the movie, the Kogoro shooting Eri and Shinichi shooting Ran were very well scored; I did have an issue with the music of the "saving Ran from the car" scene, as the music to it seemed a bit too upbeat and not grave enough. That's a minor quibble though, as a whole the soundtrack is great.
9/10
Crossroad in the Ancient Capital (referred to from here on out as "Crossroad"): The main thing that makes this soundtrack notable is the attempt to make it "authentic", ie modifying the usual themes and adding in some synthesized sounds reminiscent of old-fashioned music (maybe it was real, but I doubt it). This is charming at first, but it becomes grating as the movie goes on. I also am not a big fan of the action and suspense tracks in this one as the action tracks have sort of a weird tempo (I'm putting that terribly, I know) and the suspense tracks don't induce any sort of fear or worry. The music used during the climax (the final sword fight between Heiji and the evil robber/murderer dude) didn't add anything to the action at all, it was just there, rather than feeling like an integral part of the action.
4/10
Visuals, the quality of the video and the general aesthetic value or lack thereof of the movie /10
Target: Not to much to say here, the visuals are a bit dated now and there's not much interesting to see; most of the "sets" are standard DC locations and the Aquacrystal, though nice looking, wasn't all that visually stimulating. Nothing was really unpleasant either though.
5/10
Crossroad: This is a strength for "Crossroad", which I would call the nicest looking DC movie without too much hesitation. Though its been more than seven years since it was released, the newer movies aren't all that much better in terms of animation quality, particularly in regards to faces. The scenic images of Kyoto, though they get old, are far more pleasing to the eye than the typical DC backgrounds. This was also the first movie (I think) to render certain dramatic scenes using cel shading, which, though not especially significant, is quite nice.
9/10.
Characterization, the degree to which the characters, especially those that were unique to the movie, a) acted at least somewhat rationally b) were interesting people and also the degree to which the portrayals of the stock characters was accurate /20
Target: The supporting cast here is, as one might guess from the name, quite large. The list of potential suspects is long, though as is usually the case with DC, only 3 or so are remotely likely to have done it. The character of Murakami is interesting, though his role as red herring was quite obvious from almost the start. What I like a lot about this movie is that the supporting characters have quite a bit of personality, probably more than in any other DC movie. Part of this is simply because of the way the action is structured (every is clumped together, so all the characters get a few lines), but there is also plenty of character development in individual interactions. The connections made between the EriXKogoro and RanxShinichi pairings were interesting, though I felt like they were implemented a bit awkwardly at points. The villain was well done; I found him to be hilarious and pitiable at the same time, though it should be said (as is so often the case in DC) that his actions don't make all that much sense. The lack of Heiji or Kid is nice; most of the character interactions more interesting when Conan shares the spotlight with Mouri than when he shares it with one of those two. Overall, "Target" does very well in this category though I do have to dock them for the clumsy integration of the duality of the couplings idea.
19/20
Crossroad: Uh, yeah. This movie didn't have characters. I mean, it had the usually crew, along with Heiji and Kazuha, but when it comes to the characters unique to the movie, we have a veritable Leviathan of fail. The reason this movie is my least favorite of any DC movie has more to do with the lack of interesting characters than anything else. Sure, I can remember them (better than I can do for Movie 10 perhaps); the young monk, the old monk, the dancer who was a painfully obvious misdirect for the Heiji's first love aspect, the chipmunk inspector, the dude who got killed, the umpteen dudes who got killed at the beginning, the murderer, Ryu-something but none of them are interesting. None of them have backstories or interesting traits. Even the asshole treasure hunters of Movie 11 and the annoying blind guy of Movie 10 Were more interesting than the villain here; the only villain I can think of in the series who comes close to being as bad as this one is the dude in movie 12, simply because he gets roughly 0 screen time (well, aside from his screen time as Mr. Shadow when he's chasing Conan and the singer lader) and barely has any lines. The chipmunk was probably the only movie only character I liked; he got roughly the same amount of character development as the others and he was 10x cuter. The HeijixKazuha stuff was alright, but I'm not a big Heizuha fan, even though I like both of them as individuals; then we have the first love part which was very, very, very, very expected. Those two are enough to put my rating above 0, but other than that its hard to find much like; the ShinRan bit was insanely tacky and I'm not even a fan of that pairing.
3/20
Plot, a mix of several factors, particularly pacing (did things flow well) realism (I'm asking about not physical realism, but rather, about whether or not events unfolded in realistic fashion) ability to hold interest (were there points where I wanted to stop watching) and excitement factor (did this get adrenaline flowing/blood pumping/some cliche relating to getting stoked). /50
Target: The pacing was quite good. The writers did a good job of alternating between "excitement" scenes and "mellow" scenes, especially early on; I felt like I was getting hit with a lot of excitement, but not enough to overwhelm/overload my senses, something that happens more than occasionally when I watch action movies. The backstory stuff is interesting and it is integrated with the mystery effectively. I found myself listening very carefully as Shiratori explained the details of the Murakami case which is impressive given that it isn't always easy to maintain the attention of the audience during movie flashbacks. However, I have to admit that the action does lag significantly once the first third or so is done. A lot of action takes place that doesn't seem particularly important; the action also doesn't drive the case towards a conclusion in regards the suspect or his motives (action shouldn't always be mindless). One of the interesting things about the plot of this movie is the extremely late murder. I personally like this, as it helps maintain the tension, but I do find it a bit weird to have the first murder (the first murder that we are meant to care about at least, as the hotel guy was really minor) lead to so little investigation time. To add another criticism, the "deck of cards" concept that was central the movie, revolved around punning which struck me as a bit cheesy, though perhaps it would feel less silly if I knew anything at all about Japanese language. After the limp middle, the movie is filled with great action. Aside from the "Ran trapped by evil car" scene, which was too drawn out, almost everything after the 1:00:00 mark was set up and executed very well. I was clenching my fists a bit as Sawaki was fleeing with Ran and I was more into the climax from an emotional standpoint than I was to the climax of any other DC movie. Overall, the great finish and good pacing were enough to overpower the sagging middle.
42/50
Crossroad: I brought up the murder(s) being oddly late in "Target"- here it is the exact opposite. You have 5 people die, 5-6 minutes into the movie. I'm not sure who had the bright idea to say "hey, let's make the murders in what in supposed to be a mystery-ish series both generic and tangential to the plot and lets also have them occur before any meaningful character development occurs (and let's make the body count large)", but that person clearly has some influence as the same thing was seen in 12 and 13. The movie is sorely lacking in tension; the interactions between the characters are mostly generic and vague and don't do much to create a sense of urgency or worry. The movie also suffers terribly from what I would call "shuttling"- pointless movement from place to place that doesn't further the storyline. The motorcycle chase is a great example of that; several minutes of speed and some nice looking cell shaded animation that lead to... nothing. Compare this to the chase in Movie 3, which is quite relevant indeed to the plot and the problem becomes quite clear: stuff is happening, but nothing is getting done. When an actual character gets murdered, things get a bit more interesting, though the action is still pretty slowpaced and unexciting. There is no ratcheting up of the excitement level as the climatic scene approaches; it just happens. The actual final struggle is a confused mishmash, that though amusing is hardly exciting. I found myself struggling to remain interested as Heizuha was looking for the pimp sword- once a fight starts can't we at least keep it going and not waste time with snnoze inducing "deductions". The arrow jumping bit felt really uninspired, as did the fire lighting part; it would have been nice if Shinichi had simply stayed out of the whole ending scene once his cameo was over and he had escaped. Overall, this was an unpleasant amalgamation of sword fighting and pointless movement from place to place, though in its defense the general timeline wasn't quite as illogical as those in some of the later DC movies were (looking at you, 9, 11, 12 and especially, 10)
24/50
DC-ness /10 Did this feel like DC or not? Factors include the focus of the movie (action vs. movie) and the nature and motive of the crimes committed.
Target: For the most part. The villain was a classic DC villain; with his strong sense of pride, desire to respond completely out of proportion to what occurred and ability to think of the most ridiculous ways to kill people possible. The investigation, though understandably less important than in non-theatrical DC, was interesting and the case is pretty average as far as DC goes in terms of difficulty (a little on the easy side, but not by much). The main characters were portrayed faithfully, though I wasn't feeling Shinichi's awesome arrogance/confidence to the same degree I usually do.
9/10
Crossroad: The murderer was part of a robber gang. That alone says a lot about this was different than what one expects from DC. The villain felt like an AO villain (an unsympathetic AO villain that is; often that AO has extremely sympathetic killers), as he was bland and had pretty much no backstory. The setting was a departure from the usual, though I won't count that as a negative, because DC often goes off to interesting locales for a change of pace. The characters were mostly fine, though, as is usually the case in the movies, (not 2 though) Kogoro is brushed aside.
6/10
Total
The 14th Target: 84/100
Crossroad in the Ancient Capital: 47/100
Audio/Music, self-explanatory, the quality of the audio and the music /10
The 14th Target (referred to from here on out as "Target"): This movie has the best soundtrack in the series, with the possible exception of "Captured in Her Eyes", which was uneven, but had some truly superlative tracks. The opening theme is very nice; as the series progressed it was given more of an 'epic' feel, one that I don't think fits very well with the series. In general, judging of DC soundtracks is pretty tricky given that it's mostly the same stuff, just remixed slightly each time (or identical even). Thus what one judges is more how well the music syncs with the action, something that the soundtrack of The 14th Target does very well. There were a lot of flashbacks and I think they were matched quite well by the music. Of the memorable scenes in the movie, the Kogoro shooting Eri and Shinichi shooting Ran were very well scored; I did have an issue with the music of the "saving Ran from the car" scene, as the music to it seemed a bit too upbeat and not grave enough. That's a minor quibble though, as a whole the soundtrack is great.
9/10
Crossroad in the Ancient Capital (referred to from here on out as "Crossroad"): The main thing that makes this soundtrack notable is the attempt to make it "authentic", ie modifying the usual themes and adding in some synthesized sounds reminiscent of old-fashioned music (maybe it was real, but I doubt it). This is charming at first, but it becomes grating as the movie goes on. I also am not a big fan of the action and suspense tracks in this one as the action tracks have sort of a weird tempo (I'm putting that terribly, I know) and the suspense tracks don't induce any sort of fear or worry. The music used during the climax (the final sword fight between Heiji and the evil robber/murderer dude) didn't add anything to the action at all, it was just there, rather than feeling like an integral part of the action.
4/10
Visuals, the quality of the video and the general aesthetic value or lack thereof of the movie /10
Target: Not to much to say here, the visuals are a bit dated now and there's not much interesting to see; most of the "sets" are standard DC locations and the Aquacrystal, though nice looking, wasn't all that visually stimulating. Nothing was really unpleasant either though.
5/10
Crossroad: This is a strength for "Crossroad", which I would call the nicest looking DC movie without too much hesitation. Though its been more than seven years since it was released, the newer movies aren't all that much better in terms of animation quality, particularly in regards to faces. The scenic images of Kyoto, though they get old, are far more pleasing to the eye than the typical DC backgrounds. This was also the first movie (I think) to render certain dramatic scenes using cel shading, which, though not especially significant, is quite nice.
9/10.
Characterization, the degree to which the characters, especially those that were unique to the movie, a) acted at least somewhat rationally b) were interesting people and also the degree to which the portrayals of the stock characters was accurate /20
Target: The supporting cast here is, as one might guess from the name, quite large. The list of potential suspects is long, though as is usually the case with DC, only 3 or so are remotely likely to have done it. The character of Murakami is interesting, though his role as red herring was quite obvious from almost the start. What I like a lot about this movie is that the supporting characters have quite a bit of personality, probably more than in any other DC movie. Part of this is simply because of the way the action is structured (every is clumped together, so all the characters get a few lines), but there is also plenty of character development in individual interactions. The connections made between the EriXKogoro and RanxShinichi pairings were interesting, though I felt like they were implemented a bit awkwardly at points. The villain was well done; I found him to be hilarious and pitiable at the same time, though it should be said (as is so often the case in DC) that his actions don't make all that much sense. The lack of Heiji or Kid is nice; most of the character interactions more interesting when Conan shares the spotlight with Mouri than when he shares it with one of those two. Overall, "Target" does very well in this category though I do have to dock them for the clumsy integration of the duality of the couplings idea.
19/20
Crossroad: Uh, yeah. This movie didn't have characters. I mean, it had the usually crew, along with Heiji and Kazuha, but when it comes to the characters unique to the movie, we have a veritable Leviathan of fail. The reason this movie is my least favorite of any DC movie has more to do with the lack of interesting characters than anything else. Sure, I can remember them (better than I can do for Movie 10 perhaps); the young monk, the old monk, the dancer who was a painfully obvious misdirect for the Heiji's first love aspect, the chipmunk inspector, the dude who got killed, the umpteen dudes who got killed at the beginning, the murderer, Ryu-something but none of them are interesting. None of them have backstories or interesting traits. Even the asshole treasure hunters of Movie 11 and the annoying blind guy of Movie 10 Were more interesting than the villain here; the only villain I can think of in the series who comes close to being as bad as this one is the dude in movie 12, simply because he gets roughly 0 screen time (well, aside from his screen time as Mr. Shadow when he's chasing Conan and the singer lader) and barely has any lines. The chipmunk was probably the only movie only character I liked; he got roughly the same amount of character development as the others and he was 10x cuter. The HeijixKazuha stuff was alright, but I'm not a big Heizuha fan, even though I like both of them as individuals; then we have the first love part which was very, very, very, very expected. Those two are enough to put my rating above 0, but other than that its hard to find much like; the ShinRan bit was insanely tacky and I'm not even a fan of that pairing.
3/20
Plot, a mix of several factors, particularly pacing (did things flow well) realism (I'm asking about not physical realism, but rather, about whether or not events unfolded in realistic fashion) ability to hold interest (were there points where I wanted to stop watching) and excitement factor (did this get adrenaline flowing/blood pumping/some cliche relating to getting stoked). /50
Target: The pacing was quite good. The writers did a good job of alternating between "excitement" scenes and "mellow" scenes, especially early on; I felt like I was getting hit with a lot of excitement, but not enough to overwhelm/overload my senses, something that happens more than occasionally when I watch action movies. The backstory stuff is interesting and it is integrated with the mystery effectively. I found myself listening very carefully as Shiratori explained the details of the Murakami case which is impressive given that it isn't always easy to maintain the attention of the audience during movie flashbacks. However, I have to admit that the action does lag significantly once the first third or so is done. A lot of action takes place that doesn't seem particularly important; the action also doesn't drive the case towards a conclusion in regards the suspect or his motives (action shouldn't always be mindless). One of the interesting things about the plot of this movie is the extremely late murder. I personally like this, as it helps maintain the tension, but I do find it a bit weird to have the first murder (the first murder that we are meant to care about at least, as the hotel guy was really minor) lead to so little investigation time. To add another criticism, the "deck of cards" concept that was central the movie, revolved around punning which struck me as a bit cheesy, though perhaps it would feel less silly if I knew anything at all about Japanese language. After the limp middle, the movie is filled with great action. Aside from the "Ran trapped by evil car" scene, which was too drawn out, almost everything after the 1:00:00 mark was set up and executed very well. I was clenching my fists a bit as Sawaki was fleeing with Ran and I was more into the climax from an emotional standpoint than I was to the climax of any other DC movie. Overall, the great finish and good pacing were enough to overpower the sagging middle.
42/50
Crossroad: I brought up the murder(s) being oddly late in "Target"- here it is the exact opposite. You have 5 people die, 5-6 minutes into the movie. I'm not sure who had the bright idea to say "hey, let's make the murders in what in supposed to be a mystery-ish series both generic and tangential to the plot and lets also have them occur before any meaningful character development occurs (and let's make the body count large)", but that person clearly has some influence as the same thing was seen in 12 and 13. The movie is sorely lacking in tension; the interactions between the characters are mostly generic and vague and don't do much to create a sense of urgency or worry. The movie also suffers terribly from what I would call "shuttling"- pointless movement from place to place that doesn't further the storyline. The motorcycle chase is a great example of that; several minutes of speed and some nice looking cell shaded animation that lead to... nothing. Compare this to the chase in Movie 3, which is quite relevant indeed to the plot and the problem becomes quite clear: stuff is happening, but nothing is getting done. When an actual character gets murdered, things get a bit more interesting, though the action is still pretty slowpaced and unexciting. There is no ratcheting up of the excitement level as the climatic scene approaches; it just happens. The actual final struggle is a confused mishmash, that though amusing is hardly exciting. I found myself struggling to remain interested as Heizuha was looking for the pimp sword- once a fight starts can't we at least keep it going and not waste time with snnoze inducing "deductions". The arrow jumping bit felt really uninspired, as did the fire lighting part; it would have been nice if Shinichi had simply stayed out of the whole ending scene once his cameo was over and he had escaped. Overall, this was an unpleasant amalgamation of sword fighting and pointless movement from place to place, though in its defense the general timeline wasn't quite as illogical as those in some of the later DC movies were (looking at you, 9, 11, 12 and especially, 10)
24/50
DC-ness /10 Did this feel like DC or not? Factors include the focus of the movie (action vs. movie) and the nature and motive of the crimes committed.
Target: For the most part. The villain was a classic DC villain; with his strong sense of pride, desire to respond completely out of proportion to what occurred and ability to think of the most ridiculous ways to kill people possible. The investigation, though understandably less important than in non-theatrical DC, was interesting and the case is pretty average as far as DC goes in terms of difficulty (a little on the easy side, but not by much). The main characters were portrayed faithfully, though I wasn't feeling Shinichi's awesome arrogance/confidence to the same degree I usually do.
9/10
Crossroad: The murderer was part of a robber gang. That alone says a lot about this was different than what one expects from DC. The villain felt like an AO villain (an unsympathetic AO villain that is; often that AO has extremely sympathetic killers), as he was bland and had pretty much no backstory. The setting was a departure from the usual, though I won't count that as a negative, because DC often goes off to interesting locales for a change of pace. The characters were mostly fine, though, as is usually the case in the movies, (not 2 though) Kogoro is brushed aside.
6/10
Total
The 14th Target: 84/100
Crossroad in the Ancient Capital: 47/100
Detective Movies Contest 2013: Information Thread Current Faceoff
"The energies of our system will decay; the glory of the sun will be dimmed, and the earth, tideless and inert, will no longer tolerate the race which has for a moment disturbed its solitude. Man will go down into the pit, and all his thoughts will perish. The uneasy consciousness, which in this obscure corner has for a brief space broken the contented silence of the universe, will be at rest. Matter will know itself no longer. 'Imperishable monuments' and 'immortal deeds,' death itself, and love stronger than death, will be as though they had never been."
"The energies of our system will decay; the glory of the sun will be dimmed, and the earth, tideless and inert, will no longer tolerate the race which has for a moment disturbed its solitude. Man will go down into the pit, and all his thoughts will perish. The uneasy consciousness, which in this obscure corner has for a brief space broken the contented silence of the universe, will be at rest. Matter will know itself no longer. 'Imperishable monuments' and 'immortal deeds,' death itself, and love stronger than death, will be as though they had never been."
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Re: DC Movie Contest: "The 14th Target" vs. "Crossroad in th
The plot of Target is far from original. It is basically a blend of "And then there were None" mixed with "the ABC Murders"dilbertschalter wrote: Out of boredom, I'm throwing out a side by side review of the two movies, divided into several categories.
Plot, a mix of several factors, particularly pacing (did things flow well) realism (I'm asking about not physical realism, but rather, about whether or not events unfolded in realistic fashion) ability to hold interest (were there points where I wanted to stop watching) and excitement factor (did this get adrenaline flowing/blood pumping/some cliche relating to getting stoked). /50
As such I think you rate it too high.
Yes crossroads is also a blend of every Ninja movie. But there are two major things going for it
!) we get to see how a sweet romance started.
2) Shinichi makes appearance and I believe this was the only movie where he did.
As such I think you rate it too low
Also Target ending is very predictable. Crossroad has a very unusual place for where the treasure ended up.
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Crossroads.
I actually debated for a while about voting Target, 'cause I have a strong bias towards cards it was one of the movies that really got me on the edge of my seat. The whole Kogoro/Eri backstory was a bonus too. But the ending was quite predictable, and kind of anticlimactic for me.
On the other hand, Crossroads is Heiji/Kazuha, and one thing I love about DC is learning about Japan's culture and history and stuff. And add that to the whole Heiji/Kazuha thing, which is as everyone prob'ly knows by now, one of my weaknesses. More than cards yes
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I actually debated for a while about voting Target, 'cause I have a strong bias towards cards it was one of the movies that really got me on the edge of my seat. The whole Kogoro/Eri backstory was a bonus too. But the ending was quite predictable, and kind of anticlimactic for me.
On the other hand, Crossroads is Heiji/Kazuha, and one thing I love about DC is learning about Japan's culture and history and stuff. And add that to the whole Heiji/Kazuha thing, which is as everyone prob'ly knows by now, one of my weaknesses. More than cards yes
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it seems every time I vote in one of these polls, I tie the vote, then everything after that is one sided to the one I didn't vote for TT_TT
Crossroad is LEAGUES better than 14th target.
Crossroad is LEAGUES better than 14th target.
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In The 14h Target we see some of Kogoro and Eri past life, also in this movie we see one of the few moments when Ran is really upset with Kogoro 
–well he shot her mother- and also the plot is full of action and some drama. Already we know that in the movies the main and secondary character never die 
, but we see they really suffer –Agasa and Megure are shot, Eri was poisoned, and even the scene with Conan shot Ran- 
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On the other hand The crossroad in the Ancient Capital don´t left a big impression in my memory when I saw this movie
, in fact I don´t remember very well the plot. Now that I thinking, many people talk about that they like the Hattori´s sword fight in this movie or that they like it because this is a Hattori´s movie, but never talk about that they like the plot or other part of the movie that don´t have nothing to do with Hattori.
–well he shot her mother- and also the plot is full of action and some drama. Already we know that in the movies the main and secondary character never die , but we see they really suffer –Agasa and Megure are shot, Eri was poisoned, and even the scene with Conan shot Ran- .On the other hand The crossroad in the Ancient Capital don´t left a big impression in my memory when I saw this movie
, in fact I don´t remember very well the plot. Now that I thinking, many people talk about that they like the Hattori´s sword fight in this movie or that they like it because this is a Hattori´s movie, but never talk about that they like the plot or other part of the movie that don´t have nothing to do with Hattori.-
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Re: DC Movie Contest: "The 14th Target" vs. "Crossroad in th
Yeah, it was the only one he appeared in, for now. I did enjoy Crossroads, and the brawl at the end was cool, but I guess Conan firing a gun was more interesting for me.sstimson wrote:
2) Shinichi makes appearance and I believe this was the only movie where he did.
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Fixed.xGinx wrote:
Detective Movies Contest 2013: Information Thread Current Faceoff
"The energies of our system will decay; the glory of the sun will be dimmed, and the earth, tideless and inert, will no longer tolerate the race which has for a moment disturbed its solitude. Man will go down into the pit, and all his thoughts will perish. The uneasy consciousness, which in this obscure corner has for a brief space broken the contented silence of the universe, will be at rest. Matter will know itself no longer. 'Imperishable monuments' and 'immortal deeds,' death itself, and love stronger than death, will be as though they had never been."
"The energies of our system will decay; the glory of the sun will be dimmed, and the earth, tideless and inert, will no longer tolerate the race which has for a moment disturbed its solitude. Man will go down into the pit, and all his thoughts will perish. The uneasy consciousness, which in this obscure corner has for a brief space broken the contented silence of the universe, will be at rest. Matter will know itself no longer. 'Imperishable monuments' and 'immortal deeds,' death itself, and love stronger than death, will be as though they had never been."
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Fixed.dilbertschalter wrote:Fixed.xGinx wrote:
I started detective conan back up again. It's great to be back. C:
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Re: DC Movie Contest: "The 14th Target" vs. "Crossroad in th
First, I don't value originality that much- enjoyment is the most important thing. That being said you are right about it being quite derivative (when the card scheme was unveiled the first thing I thought was "this seems like some ABC murders type misdirect", though I admit I never made the direct connection to "And then there were None"), which is why I don't give it that great a rank for plot; 42/50 isn't that good. As for Target's ending being predictable, it definitely was in some ways, but it was also compelling. Crossroad had a generic swordfight, while Target had a scene that illuminated a 'mystery' of sorts.sstimson wrote:The plot of Target is far from original. It is basically a blend of "And then there were None" mixed with "the ABC Murders"dilbertschalter wrote: Out of boredom, I'm throwing out a side by side review of the two movies, divided into several categories.
Plot, a mix of several factors, particularly pacing (did things flow well) realism (I'm asking about not physical realism, but rather, about whether or not events unfolded in realistic fashion) ability to hold interest (were there points where I wanted to stop watching) and excitement factor (did this get adrenaline flowing/blood pumping/some cliche relating to getting stoked). /50
As such I think you rate it too high.
Yes crossroads is also a blend of every Ninja movie. But there are two major things going for it
!) we get to see how a sweet romance started.
2) Shinichi makes appearance and I believe this was the only movie where he did.
As such I think you rate it too low
Also Target ending is very predictable. Crossroad has a very unusual place for where the treasure ended up.
Detective Movies Contest 2013: Information Thread Current Faceoff
"The energies of our system will decay; the glory of the sun will be dimmed, and the earth, tideless and inert, will no longer tolerate the race which has for a moment disturbed its solitude. Man will go down into the pit, and all his thoughts will perish. The uneasy consciousness, which in this obscure corner has for a brief space broken the contented silence of the universe, will be at rest. Matter will know itself no longer. 'Imperishable monuments' and 'immortal deeds,' death itself, and love stronger than death, will be as though they had never been."
"The energies of our system will decay; the glory of the sun will be dimmed, and the earth, tideless and inert, will no longer tolerate the race which has for a moment disturbed its solitude. Man will go down into the pit, and all his thoughts will perish. The uneasy consciousness, which in this obscure corner has for a brief space broken the contented silence of the universe, will be at rest. Matter will know itself no longer. 'Imperishable monuments' and 'immortal deeds,' death itself, and love stronger than death, will be as though they had never been."