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Akonyl wrote:Akagi's a badass in a game of mahjong
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And sure Akagi always wins his mahjong matches with and losing a few games, but that is the entire point of the show. Just take a look at the extended title again. "Mahjong Legend Akagi: The Genius Who Descended Into the Darkness"

The anime is about the story about a Mahjong Genius that has taken a step into the underworld, and that Akagi is obsessed with high stake death games.

Tis different from Kirito, the point of SAO wasn't about him being invincible and winning every battle.
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Trishula wrote: The anime is about the story about a Mahjong Genius that has taken a step into the underworld, and that Akagi is obsessed with high stake death games.

Tis different from Kirito, the point of SAO wasn't about him being invincible and winning every battle.
So someone who decides they're good enough to never lose a life-or-death game is somehow more badass than someone who gets thrust into a life-or-death game against their wishes and still survives?  Or do you just find suicidal characters to be badass?  If that's the case, allow me to introduce you to this guy named Shirou...
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Well comparing characters stuck in a death game now are we...

Well then. Compare Kirito to the masters in Fate/Zero, any one of them are thousands time more badass. I haven't seen F/SN so I can't comment on that.

Maybe we have a different definition of what a badass character is but I definitely don't find anyone that is good at a 'video game' badass. Just wait until they clear SAO and get out eventually, I bet he wouldn't be so badass to you anymore as a gamer nerd.

Also, Akagi is not suicidal, he is just a guy obsessed with high stakes mahjong, that is all. Being suicidal is trying to throw away your life on purpose. Akagi simply wants to kill people and winning shit loads of money by staking his own demise. Hardcore gambling isn't suicidal.
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Trishula wrote: Also, Akagi is not suicidal, he is just a guy obsessed with high stakes mahjong, that is all. Being suicidal is trying to throw away your life on purpose.
and before he became obsessed with high stakes mahjong, he drove his car off of a cliff during a game of chicken. Which, if you won't say is suicidal, is definitely a deathwish.
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Oh Asuna, why do you make me dislike you so much?

The fishing plot was also pretty much unnecessary (unless it does serve a point later on, but I kinda doubt it after what we've seen so far).
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Akonyl wrote: and before he became obsessed with high stakes mahjong, he drove his car off of a cliff during a game of chicken. Which, if you won't say is suicidal, is definitely a deathwish.
He was bored with his life, until he found a purpose and that is playing mahjong. He was suicidal before but after getting into mahjong he found something worthwhile to live for, so he ceased trying to throw his life away.
Kor wrote: Oh Asuna, why do you make me dislike you so much?

The fishing plot was also pretty much unnecessary (unless it does serve a point later on, but I kinda doubt it after what we've seen so far).
Well, Asuna like Kirito is a wish fulfillment character created by the author who wants a perfect waifu. Shes your generic tsundere except she's a Mary Sue. Its not possible for a female gamer (not trying to be sexist) to be the second best player in a MMO when shes playing an online game for the first time in her life. Just not possible.

I like tsundere characters btw, but 1. I hate violent types (Louise, Taiga and lol Asuna) and 2. I don't like Mary Sue or Gary Stu characters unless they're interesting and not just flat without a personality.

Na its just filler, as expected of this filler filled anime. The characters introduced in the fillers (Silica, Lizbeth etc.) will reappear later but will get zero character development, making them useless and serve no purpose other than Kirito's harem.
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Trishula wrote: He was bored with his life, until he found a purpose and that is playing mahjong. He was suicidal before but after getting into mahjong he found something worthwhile to live for, so he ceased trying to throw his life away.
So playing a life-or-death game is "not trying to throw your life away"?  Face it, he's suicidal and has a deathwish.  You can be as biased as you want, it's the truth.
Its not possible for a female gamer (not trying to be sexist) to be the second best player in a MMO when shes playing an online game for the first time in her life. Just not possible.
No, you're definitely trying to be sexist.  If you weren't, you wouldn't have specified her gender.  And last I checked, NervGear-esque systems aren't possible either, so...
Na its just filler, as expected of this filler filled anime. The characters introduced in the fillers (Silica, Lizbeth etc.) will reappear later but will get zero character development, making them useless and serve no purpose other than Kirito's harem.
I'm curious as to your definition of "filler", since they're side stories written by the author himself.
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He is making money and having fun at the same time, how is that trying to throw your life away? If anything that is like living your life to the fullest. He makes millions of cash by having fun, he would of been on the streets if he didn't gamble, with the shitty pay hes getting from his shitty job. Its hardcore gambling, not suicide. Have you even seen Akagi btw?

I'm not trying to be sexist, have you seen the male to female ratio in MMO Highscores, because I have and its the reason that I specified her gender. I bet you that you'd be lucky to get 5% female in the top 100. For a female to be the second best player after the all almighty protagonist when shes playing a game for the "first" time in her life, you know its not possible. Only way for her to do it is that shes created to be perfect, and she was.

There are probably 2 definitions of fillers for me.

1. Original scenes/episodes that are not found in the original source.

2. Episodes that serve no purpose whatsoever.

I'm following the second definition for SAO, all those episode did was introduce characters that has no relevance to the plot other than harem members later on. And the fishing part was filler no matter how you see it, it literally served no purpose.
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Trishula wrote: He is making money and having fun at the same time, how is that trying to throw your life away? If anything that is like living your life to the fullest. He makes millions of cash by having fun, he would of been on the streets if he didn't gamble, with the shitty pay hes getting from his shitty job. Its hardcore gambling, not suicide. Have you even seen Akagi btw?
I have not seen it, but it's pretty obvious that it's not about the money.  And his fun comes from teetering on the edge of death.  That's being suicidal.  Look, you can dislike SAO all you want, but don't be so obviously biased.  If you don't like it, don't want it.  And if you don't watch it, don't spam up the topic.
I'm not trying to be sexist, have you seen the male to female ratio in MMO Highscores, because I have and its the reason that I specified her gender. I bet you that you'd be lucky to get 5% female in the top 100. For a female to be the second best player after the all almighty protagonist when shes playing a game for the "first" time in her life, you know its not possible. Only way for her to do it is that shes created to be perfect, and she was.
Yes, you are trying to be sexist.  There's literally zero reason to specify her gender outside of that.  You're attempting to make it sound like it isn't sexist by adding that it's her first time playing an MMO, which would be a valid argument in and of itself.  However, how many MMOs have you played or know of that are like this?  Last I checked, none are life or death games, none require you to actually move about, and none test you mentally like this.  The playing field essentially levels out, so yes, it's very much possible for "a girl" to be one of the best players.

Also, Heathcliff is better than she is.
There are probably 2 definitions of fillers for me.

1. Original scenes/episodes that are not found in the original source.

2. Episodes that serve no purpose whatsoever.

I'm following the second definition for SAO, all those episode did was introduce characters that has no relevance to the plot other than harem members later on. And the fishing part was filler no matter how you see it, it literally served no purpose.
Except those episodes did all serve a purpose.  They showed why Kirito was so reluctant to join a guild, how dangerous anti-crystal zones could be, how PvP was handled, backstory on Kirito's weapons, etc.  All stuff that's been called back to and referenced during the main story arc episodes that came later.  And even if the characters haven't done much since their respective episodes, that doesn't mean that they never will.  So really, you need to get over yourself.
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Skill/knowledge about RPG's aren't the most important here. It's determination. Asuna had it, more than most that stayed at the first floor. 
Your assumption is that this is like an normal RPG and that a girl(which has lower chances of having any knowledge about video games than guys, and yea call me sexist or whatever but that's true) wouldn't stand a chance at it.
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leokiko wrote: Skill/knowledge about RPG's aren't the most important here. It's determination. Asuna had it, more than most that stayed at the first floor. 
Why would Asuna have more determination than others when it's a life or death situation?
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Kor wrote:
leokiko wrote: Skill/knowledge about RPG's aren't the most important here. It's determination. Asuna had it, more than most that stayed at the first floor.  
Why would Asuna have more determination than others when it's a life or death situation?
The author never explains that. But, does he really need to? People react differently on these situations, she was one that decided to move foward.
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I liked this episode, although I gotta say I feel like they're grossly underestimating the amount of muscle atrophy that would've gone on after 2 years of comatose undernourishment if kirito can walk out of there.

edit: Although, now that I think about it,
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I'm pretty disappointed that they pulled deus ex machina to save kirito/asuna at the end, when it would've been totally awesome had the 10-second revive item from the earlier story been used instead.
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Kirito basically broke the system(exactly what Asuna did earlier) which is why they both survived. The creator didn't let her die because of that.

So, basically, IT'S THE POWER OF LOVE! lol.
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The only part of this episode I didn't like was Kirito thinking he shouldn't use a Sword Skill because Kayaba designed them all, and thus would knew how they work... and then proceeding to use a Sword Skill.

Otherwise, I loved the way Kirito and Asuna stayed together until the end, watched as the world crumbled, and embraced each other.
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