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leokiko wrote: ranger is just mad that Asuna is not waifu material anymore.

pure pure Chitanda is better amrite?
leeell, Asuna waifu material? she never was.  But that ep 11 was pretty bad, I really did not care for that little girl at all.
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I like how they gave zero explanation on how Kirito would know how to use a GM console, just "I'm the main character, if I smash my hands on a keyboard it'll do what I want!"

also they got hella attached to that little girl super quick. But I guess that's just part of her "counselor program mind-altering aura of happiness" that she said she has.
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Akonyl wrote: I like how they gave zero explanation on how Kirito would know how to use a GM console, just "I'm the main character, if I smash my hands on a keyboard it'll do what I want!"
Watch the beginning of the first episode again.  He had programming books all over his bookshelves, and was even reading a programmer magazine with an article on Kayaba.  Odds are, he's studied Kayaba's programming language before and hoped it would be what the GM console used.
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GinRei wrote:
Akonyl wrote: I like how they gave zero explanation on how Kirito would know how to use a GM console, just "I'm the main character, if I smash my hands on a keyboard it'll do what I want!"
Watch the beginning of the first episode again.  He had programming books all over his bookshelves, and was even reading a programmer magazine with an article on Kayaba.  Odds are, he's studied Kayaba's programming language before and hoped it would be what the GM console used.
that makes some sense, I spose. Although I would imagine that the GM console would make use of commands that are program-specific and wouldn't just be published in the magazine article.
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Also, apparently the author tweeted this after the episode:
It looks like super hacker skills, but all Kirito did was search to find the folder called MHCP001, compress the folder and move it to their storage.
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I somehow doubt that this author knows anything about programing....
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Again, the anime is complete rubbish, read the books instead.    The SAO anime is like DC with all the deduction shows and BO conflicts taken out, all you really get is "This and this happened and the day is saved!."

I can't even watch the anime any more, even if it's just to finish it for finishing sake.  
Akonyl wrote: I like how they gave zero explanation on how Kirito would know how to use a GM console, just "I'm the main character, if I smash my hands on a keyboard it'll do what I want!"

also they got hella attached to that little girl super quick. But I guess that's just part of her "counselor program mind-altering aura of happiness" that she said she has.
Iin the books they explain he spent more time with computers than his own family.  So, yeah...    Also, the anime did exactly what it did with Liz's episode,  Get from intro to boss battle in a matter of mins.    So, it left out A LOT of important info.
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Loudlol wrote: Iin the books they explain he spent more time with computers than his own family.  So, yeah...    Also, the anime did exactly what it did with Liz's episode,  Get from intro to boss battle in a matter of mins.    So, it left out A LOT of important info.
That's why LN adaptations suck. The only good match for LN adaptations are normal romantic comedies, ones that doesn't have huge amounts of info, like Toradora. And unlike Shana, Index or...SAO. And the reason is that emotions can be conveyed easier than information. If the writer decides to convey TOO much info the anime will feel too wordy, and by consequence, will annoy non-LN readers. However, if the writer doesn't, LN readers will get annoyed instead. So in that view, there are too choices: Either focus on the LN, word by word, or take out some info to better transfer to the anime medium.

Anyway, I do agree that this is too rushed. But they have been rushing through every single side-story, and this one didn't actually feel too rushed, from an fresh viewer PoV at least.
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We get it, "anime bad, light novel good!"  You don't have to say it every week.  Even if it's rushed, it's not really that bad for anime-only viewers.  If you purposely read the LN before watching the anime (rather than just reading it because you wanted to read it and doubted the anime would ever be made), then that's your own fault.
Soreiyu wrote: I somehow doubt that this author knows anything about programing....
Based on what?  A very much doable process to copy data?
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Why in the name of Enel does so many people like Kirito? He is really not a good character... Hes basically a wish fulfillment device for otakus. You know, antisocial nerd, but is good at online games and has his harem. His character is so one-dimensional.

The awkward moment when people that say Kirito is cool and badass remembers that he is inside an online game, and in the real world he is nothing more than a loser that fails at life (I've read that he spends all his free time playing MMOs, like going online right away after school without doing more useful things like studying).

Asuna and Kirito would of been a tad better if they stopped being Mary Stu and Gary Stu. This is not Akagi or One Outs, where its awesome because the main character always wins, this anime sucks because the main character is the strongest player...

Kirito thinks he is Akagi and Tokuchi, but he is not... Akagi and Tokuchi = rich and living the life, Kirito = nerd. There's a big difference between these Gary Stus. Akagi and Tokuchi are very interesting and cool characters, while Kirito is plain flat and boring without any personality.

Kirito should switch places with Kaiji, I'd love to see Kirito try be as badass as Kaiji.
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this show seems to have a weird addiction to introducing characters, killing them 1 or 2 episodes later, and expecting me to care, i don't know why this is rated so highly, it's been average at best so far, hope it gets better
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Vylash wrote: this show seems to have a weird addiction to introducing characters, killing them 1 or 2 episodes later, and expecting me to care
I don't know even know anything and I hate this anime now. Screw anyone who is this stupidly wasteful of characters.
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Trishula wrote: Why in the name of Enel does so many people like Kirito? He is really not a good character... Hes basically a wish fulfillment device for otakus. You know, antisocial nerd, but is good at online games and has his harem. His character is so one-dimensional.

The awkward moment when people that say Kirito is cool and badass remembers that he is inside an online game, and in the real world he is nothing more than a loser that fails at life (I've read that he spends all his free time playing MMOs, like going online right away after school without doing more useful things like studying).

Asuna and Kirito would of been a tad better if they stopped being Mary Stu and Gary Stu. This is not Akagi or One Outs, where its awesome because the main character always wins, this anime sucks because the main character is the strongest player...

Kirito thinks he is Akagi and Tokuchi, but he is not... Akagi and Tokuchi = rich and living the life, Kirito = nerd. There's a big difference between these Gary Stus. Akagi and Tokuchi are very interesting and cool characters, while Kirito is plain flat and boring without any personality.

Kirito should switch places with Kaiji, I'd love to see Kirito try be as badass as Kaiji.
as much as I like Akagi and Kaiji, this isn't a very good argument. Your reasoning for why one gary stu is better than another isn't founded on any actual reasons that don't boil down to personal preference (I like rich characters rather than nerds), and as for akai being interesting, I can't say I really remember much depth to his character either beyond "I'm a random highschool student who happens to be a mahjong genius, put into high-stakes mahjong situations", which in the end, isn't much different from "I'm a random middle/highschool student who happens to be good at MMOs, and is then put into a life/death MMO situation".

and while Kaiji does have some pretty badass moments, I would hardly say that Kaiji is a badass at all. He practically breaks down at how pitiful his life is and how pitiful he is every other episode.
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Vylash wrote: this show seems to have a weird addiction to introducing characters, killing them 1 or 2 episodes later, and expecting me to care
I don't know even know anything and I hate this anime now. Screw anyone who is this stupidly wasteful of characters.
tbh, while the show does have a bad habit of introducing characters only to kill them off, I'm willing to blame it on the fact that they're cutting it down from an apparently lengthy LN series. Because of how little the show puts into the characters, it feels like a lot less of a waste than when some other shows do it (Rainbow comes to mind).
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The entire point of Akagi was Akagi's mahjong life. He was a teenager bored of life when he was introduced, as proof he was playing the chicken game. He then got into mahjong which he really enjoyed because the loser dies, and he enjoys being in a situation like that. Akagi is portrayed as exactly the opposite of Kaiji, while Kaiji is a loser, Akagi is a genius. And while Kaiji just want a peaceful life but keeps getting into high stake gambles out of his control, Akagi gets himself into high stake mahjong games because that's his sole purpose for living, which he found on the night where he played his first game.

The whole Akagi anime was a build up for his match with Washizu, and how he didn't have any intention of quitting even though he won more than half of Washizu's fortune, he wanted to play until one of them dies because that's the one thing that is enjoyable to him in life.

Now compare that to Kirito. He was introduced a teenager same as Akagi, but that's about it. He got stuck in SAO, but what did he do in it? Be a Gary Stu to show off, gathering his harem, play house, be flat, and acting like a badass in an online game. Yeah real smooth.

Kirito as a character himself is really hard to sympathize with because throughout the series the series he seems almost invincible. Just trouncing every enemy he comes across leaving little to no room for development. Same problem with Asuna, considering they are our main characters there is very little reason for us to care about them. Invincible main characters in an action anime is definitely doing it wrong.

And yes Kaiji does cry a lot, but at least he isn't as bad of a character as Kirito. Kaiji keeps getting in debts, and was close to dying so many times, but he still manages to overcome them and be badass in the end. What about Kirito? He is feeding off his mom, playing games all day and so he randomly getting in a death game, then indirectly pking a group of noobs and decides to be emo about it? You don't see Kaiji being emo after witnessing the death of Sahashi and Ishida do you?

I bet you that Kirito don't have the balls to cut off his own ear or risk his fingers.

Anyways... I think that SAO is wayyy to light of an anime for the premises. It could of been a really good psychological thriller, but it turned into a slice of life harem with your usual generic harem girls...
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you keep returning to the "he's a badass in an online game, wtf is that?" point, which is completely irrelevant in the end. I could just as easily say "Akagi's a badass in a game of mahjong, wtf is that", what makes it badass is that at the end of the game of mahjong, the loser's probably dying, which just so happens to be exactly what happens in SAO as well.

I also don't quite get why you're giving Kirito beef for seeming "almost invincible", when yet again, the exact same can be said for Akagi. Kirito at least has "lost" a few times, although it's only to then be saved by the harem.

I'm not saying there's nothing Gary Stuish about Kirito, I'm just sayin that Akagi is a bad comparison.

and I won't say Kaiji doesn't have balls. Sure, he does, but there's a line between being a badass and having the balls to do what you need to when you're backed into a corner with only one way out.
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