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The Discworld Thread

Posted: November 23rd, 2010, 8:28 pm
by mangaluva
I'm sure i'm not the only person on the forum who ADORES this series. For those who don't know (poor you), the Discworld books are basically comic fantasy books set on a fictional world known as The Disc, which is a flat world on the backs of four elephants standing on the back of the galactic turtle A'Tuin. Apparently, this is because the universe that the Disc exists in has fallen off of the reality curve.

The books parody almost everything ever, from Australia to sexism to football. The most distinctive feature of Pratchett’s writing is the way he twists wrds and phrases, leading to everything from brilliant humour to comments of such depth that you’re staring at the wall for some time afterwards.

There are 38 novels set on the Disc so far, mostly following one of Pratchett's character groups:
Spoiler:
Rincewind and the Wizards: Rincewind is one of the first characters to appear, a cowardly wizard who has been to both the beginning and end of time, Hell, the Dungeon Dimensions, and most of the geographical reasons of the Disc. Probably the only reason he's still alive is that he's a personal favourite of The Lady. And he's a really good runner.
The Wizards mostly live in the Unseen University, the Disc’s premier school of magic, where education takes place by placing a lot of students in the vicinity of a lot of books and hoping that the former picks something up from the latter, so long as they aren’t eaten by them. The prime duty of the wizards is to not use magic, because there are many places on the Disc that remember when wizards did use magic, and on many of them the grass will never grow again.
My favourite one of the wizards, by the way, is the Librarian. Turned into an orang-utan by a magical accident in the second book, he has since resisted all attempts to turn him back into a human, since now it’s much easier to reach the higher shelves and happiness is easier to find when all you care about are books and bananas. Given the nature of a library full of magical books, he’s probably one of the most powerful wizards in the University.

The Ankh-Morpork Watch: Basically the police force of the Disc’s largest city, Ankh-Morpork. Has three members plus a new recruit in the first book that it appears in, as of the latest book probably has thousands. The Watch has, to date, arrested the Patrician of Ankh-Morpork (sort of like a tyrant, but mildly more democratic and mildly less insane, on average), a dragon, and two armies, one of them Ankh-Morpork’s. Watch members include dwarves, trolls, a gnome, some gargoyles, a werewolf, a vampire, a zombie, the secret king of Ankh-Morpork, and Nobby Knobbs, who was disqualified from the human race for shoving.
I think my personal favourite might be Angua, the werewolf. As Carrot puts it, “Angua’s not the helpless type. She doesn’t stand there and scream. She makes other people do that.â€

Re: The Discworld

Posted: November 23rd, 2010, 8:34 pm
by pofa
*raises hand* :D :D

I absolutely LOVE the Watch books and I'm thrilled that another one is coming out. :D And I like Moist von Lipwig.

But I don't like a lot of the others, like the Rincewind ones. :P Maybe it's just a taste thing.

Re: The Discworld

Posted: November 24th, 2010, 6:28 am
by nomemory
I really, really like these books. They are just marvellous.

Re: The Discworld

Posted: November 24th, 2010, 8:37 am
by Jd-
I thought this was a Tron topic at first.

In fact, I still kinda do.

Re: The Discworld

Posted: November 24th, 2010, 10:14 am
by Dus
I've read quite a few of them and I liked them :D

Re: The Discworld

Posted: November 24th, 2010, 2:10 pm
by mangaluva
Jd- wrote: I thought this was a Tron topic at first.

In fact, I still kinda do.
Whut.

Re: The Discworld

Posted: December 6th, 2010, 12:02 pm
by mangaluva
Has anyone else read "I Shall Wear Midnight" yet?
Spoiler:
FEEGLES FTW! That out of the way, the fact that it was sort of an in-universe crossover was awesome. Finally clearing up precisely whether Wee Mad Arthur was a Gnome or a Feegle was awesome. Random Eskarina was awesome. Anything at all featuring Commander Vimes is awesome. But wanting to dig up a Feegle mound is NOT awesome. Anyone who wants to do that DESERVES to be nutted in the fork by an enraged Feegle.

The Discworld Thread

Posted: February 6th, 2012, 3:26 pm
by mangaluva
Because a very good point was brought up on another thread: we don't have a Discworld thread and this is a travesty.

Existing fans, chat away. Anyone who's not quite familiar with the Discworld, open the spoiler box and let me exposition at you.

(For the sake of inclusion, the Johnny Maxwell Trilogy and Nation can be considered honorary Discworld books.)
Spoiler:
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This is the Discworld. It exists on the edge of the reality curve and occasionally falls off. It is a world where Gods depend on people's belief to survive, narrativium is the most powerful element in the world, witches and wizards refuse to do magic because they'd be good at it and reality is kind of an optional extra to life. It is a parody of a fantasy world that runs on wordplay and satire.

The first book was The Colour of Magic in 1983, following inept wizard Rincewind, who has one of the Eight Great Spells in his head and as such cannot learn any other spells because they're too scared to live inside of his skull. He has been tasked with protecting Twoflower, the Disc's first tourist and a man who sees the world through a rose-coloured brain- which gives him a life expectancy of about minus twelve seconds in Ankh-Morpork, the toughest city on the Disc (based off of medieval London, Glasgow, Prague, Paris, or generally any large city built on a river that was active in the sixteenth or seventeenth century.)

There are 39 "official" Discworld books, each generally following one particular character set. The main sets are Rincewind, the Wizards (these two groups are synonymous in later books as Rincewind searches desperately for a normal life), the Witches, the City Watch, Moist Von Lipwig, Tiffany Aching and the Feegles (who frequently crosses over with the Witches and in one case the Watch) and Death. Death is the only character to appear in every single book except for some of the Feegle books, which are aimed at a slightly younger set than the main books. And there are dozens of spinoff and reference books tied in, including an actual run of the "Where's My Cow?" picture book that appears in the later Watch books.

Rincewind and the Wizards
Wizards in Discworld start studying at Unseen University as teenagers, spend most of their young adult life as students and then, after graduating, make up a University post and spend the next ninety years performing smelly experiments in their studies, reading heavy books, and eating twelve-course meals for a light snack. They don't use much magic because they've been trained to do magic very well indeed, and magic is both living and dangerous. The last time wizards used magic, in the Wizard's War, is never detailed in the books, but one area of magical fallout is seen- grass will never grow there again, and if you flip a coin it may come down a fish.
The wizards are generally fat, lazy and hopelessly out of touch with the world, but at least once in every book we are reminded quite vividly that they are some of the most intelligent and powerful men on the Disc (with one exception, wizards are never women).


The Witches
Witches books are generally set in the rural area of the Ramtops Mountains, in the kind of small villages where people are always pleased and surprised to see someone that they're not related to, but Witches exist all across the Disc. They are always female. Unlike Wizard magic, which depends on dribbly candles and bursts of flame and trolling the laws of physics, Witch magic is all in the head. Witches are all equals and don't have leaders, unlike wizards, and Granny Weatherwax is the most highly regarded of the leaders that they don't have. Witches books all follow her and her coven, which always contains Granny Weatherwax's best friend Nanny Ogg, she of the several marriages and many children and many, many grandchildren. Probably has more control over the kingdom of Lancre than the king due to being related by blood or marriage to most of it. Owns an insane and indestructible cat called Greebo. The third member in the earlier books is the rather soppy Magrat Garlick, and in later books is Agnes Nitt, who made up an imaginary friend called Perdita and unfortunately for her, being a witch, Perdita became a very real separate mind inside of her head. A very heavy theme in all of the Witches books is the power of stories.

The City Watch
Starts off with the three-man Night Watch of the fetid city-state of Ankh-Morpork, consisting of broken drunkard Captain Vimes, the eternally lazy Sergeant Colon and Corporal Nobbs, who has a signed note from his mother and the midwife to prove that he's human. In their first book they pick up the large, shiny and enthusiastic new recruit Carrot at the same time that a dragon begins to ravage the city. Through their books the Watch rises in prominence and power, swelling with new recruits including dwarves, trolls, gnomes, a werewolf, a vampire, a Feegle, and Nobby. Vimes continues to get more badass with every book. The Watch books are among the more emotional in the series, cutting right to the heart of human nature.

Moist Von Lipwig
A two-book wonder who would probably love to meet the Kaitou Kid. Former conman who, as an alternative to hanging, is put in charge of the decrepit and crumbling city Post Office, a job which just so happens to have claimed the lives of the previous several incumbents in the past year. In the second book, he is placed in charge of the city bank. Has a liking for shiny gold suits and hats and is such an accomplished BSer that he frequently tricks reality into going his way. A heavy underrunning theme of the books is the treatment of Golems, magical clay slaves on the Disc whose are treated as (and think of themselves as) property or tools, and whose only concept of freedom is to buy themselves. The books also feature a higher concentration than usual of Lord Vetinari, who I am going to give his own bit because he's so awesome.

Lord Vetinari
The Patrician of Ankh-Morpork in all of the books except the past sections of Night Watch and possibly the earlier books. He believes in One Man, One Vote- he is the Man and he has the Vote. Rules Ankh-Morpork with a quiet, efficient tyranny, and has managed to make AM work- so well, in fact, that the Assassin's Guild will not take out a contract on him because to do so would throw the city into disarray. Legalized the Thieve's Guild so that theft would be organized, scheduled and subjected to non-violence rules; citizens pay a small annual fee and can walk the streets free of theft. Any unauthorized thieving is dealt with harshly by the Guild, and as a result crime has dropped. Vetinari appears in pretty much every book set in Ankh-Morpork and is generally in control of EVERYTHING. Also the most quietly cynical person in the entire universe.

Tiffany Aching and the Feegles
There are four Feegle books, initially aimed at a younger set though the fourth, I Shall Wear Midnight, is distinctly darker in tone than the others. They begin with nine-year-old Tiffany Aching setting out for Fairyland with a frying pan to rescue her little brother, aided by the Nac Mac Feegle, a race of six-inch-tall blue men based on every Violent Glaswegian stereotype in the world and capable of knocking out an elephant with a headbutt. They are awesome. The books play with fairy tales and mythology a lot, and also with the strange and wonderful world of growing up- Tiffany ages two years with every book.

Death
DEATH ALWAYS TALKS IN SMALL CAPS, WHICH I CAN'T FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO HERE. Death is in every book, but appears in his own series as well. He is, surprise surprise, the anthropomorphic personification of death, a six-foot-tall skeleton in a black robe with a scythe (or a sword when he's feeling flashy), appearing whenever someone dies to take them where they need to be. Has grown a bit too curious about life in the course of his work and has occasional flings with humanity, including adopting a daughter and hiring an apprentice, who go off, get married, and have a daughter who picks up some interesting soul genetics from her grandfather. He has a counterpart in the Grim Squeaker, the Death of Small Rodents, who appears as a rat skeleton in a tiny hooded robe and scythe. He rides a white horse called Binky and has a manservant named Albert who will fry anything. He occasionally hangs out with his friends War, Famine and Pestilence, and later Ronnie, the Fifth Horseman who left before they became famous. Despite (or perhaps because of) his job, he is quite fond of life and a sure way to piss him off is to try to wipe it all out.

There are also many one-off books and characters.

The books have parodied everything. Australia, Italy, Ancient Rome, Ancient Greece, Ancient Egypt, Scotland, Japan and China, India, football, University, mythology, politics, religion, racism, war, sexism, justice, time travel, family, friendship, childhood, adulthood, stories, food, horror stories, sci-fi stories, and especially fantasy stories, among many other things, have all been deconstructed, played with, and generally messed around with. And in the end, they're always about people, and about the potential they have to fall so low- and rise so high.

The books are also the most ridiculously quotable things this side of Doctor Who.

Re: The Discworld Thread

Posted: February 6th, 2012, 4:21 pm
by pofa
I was so terribly excited for Snuff, because the City Watch books are my favorites, but I was a little underwhelmed. :/ He seemed to fall into the trap of just having characters say "Vimes is so awesome and badass" over and over without making it clear through what he actually did instead, which is surprising since the other recent City Watch books avoided that nicely.

Also, the hardy har har aristocratic country home jokes were tedious to me. :x I feel like Vimes needs to stay  in the city rather than chasing crime into the countryside just as Batman needs to stay in Gotham rather than chasing Ra's al Ghul all over the damn place. :V The city really makes the man.

What's your favorite one, manga? Mine is probably Night Watch, though I thought Feet of Clay, The Truth, and Thud! were spectacular.

Re: The Discworld Thread

Posted: February 6th, 2012, 4:46 pm
by Stopwatch
\o/ *currently only on The Light Fantastic, though has read Nation and a few other Pratchett books outside of Discworld :x*

Re: The Discworld Thread

Posted: February 6th, 2012, 5:09 pm
by mangaluva
Night Watch probably is my favourite. I think I've reread it more than any other and it still makes me laugh, cry and punch the air more than any other. I particularly like Thief of Time as well, though. I'm a big fan of all of the Feegle books, too. I really like Snuff- while I do think that Vimes is better in the City, he was still incredibly badass in this story, as were Willikins and Sybil, and any interaction between Vimes and Young Sam is the cutest thing in the history of ever, and this from a girl who's seen a six-year-old monk playing with a kitten. Anything involving the goblins and the racism against them is utterly powerful, too. Racism (well, speciesism) is something that Sir Pterry comes back to a lot, but always for the same reason, with the same emphasis- treating people as inferior simply because they look different is pretty much the stupidest thing ever. Life is life, and beauty comes in many forms.

There's a Granny Weatherwax quote that I adore that sums it up best.

"All evil starts with thinking of people as things... yeah, there are things like that [murder and theft etc], but all of them, in the beginning, start with treating people as things."

The one that surprised me more was I Shall Wear Midnight. It was abruptly darker than the previous books, breaking down a lot of the foundations of Tiffany's world, such as the almost-a-given nature of her relationship with Roland and the unstoppable, cheerful force of the Feegles. Then again, your world breaking apart and being rebuilt is generally what happens when you're sixteen :p (Also, the Baron's death... SOB.)

I really love Nation too. Not Discworld, but still so very, very much about people. And it's beautiful.

Re: The Discworld Thread

Posted: February 11th, 2012, 5:38 pm
by Borealis
Thiefe of time is right now my favorite (althoe I have only read it in german) but the only other book I have completely read is Witches Abroad (which was hilarious as well)
I am reading "I shall wear midnight" right now but I get the feeling you need some background information from other books.

Re: The Discworld Thread

Posted: February 11th, 2012, 5:57 pm
by mangaluva
You really shouldn't read I Shall Wear Midnight until you've read the previous three Feegle books, The Wee Free Men, Hat Full of Sky and Wintersmith. They're very sequential and you really need Tiffany's background.

I really adore the witches books, because they're all about story. It gets quite meta at times.

Re: The Discworld Thread

Posted: February 12th, 2012, 2:05 pm
by Borealis
mangaluva wrote: You really shouldn't read I Shall Wear Midnight until you've read the previous three Feegle books, The Wee Free Men, Hat Full of Sky and Wintersmith. They're very sequential and you really need Tiffany's background.

I really adore the witches books, because they're all about story. It gets quite meta at times.
Thanks, I will keep that in mind
But now I left the other english Discworld-book at home *sob*
Maybe I'l read Witches Abroad again.

Btw, you gave me a big plunny, you know?
A HUGE DC/DW crossover. Conan and Vimes against Moist, while KID seeks help from DEATH and Susan to find Pandora. In the meantime Aoko gets fighting lessons by the history monks and Vermouth clashes with Vetinari. Then the wizards try to help cure Conan (with expected results)
Of course, the detectives are first shocked to see real magic (I can see Conan having a near-breakdown) and Vimes doesn't want those meddling kids around. Oh, and I want the witches to make first contact by having to solve a murder. (Nanny Ogg totally embrassing Ran and the others is obligatory)
And DEATH acts as if he has known Shinichi since his birth.


Oh yes, since we already have one for Conan and I saw it somewhere else as well:

Castings for Discworld-live-actions!
Who should play whom?!

Re: The Discworld Thread

Posted: February 12th, 2012, 6:42 pm
by mangaluva
If you could make that crossover work, I would be extremely impressed... I can see Granny tearing into Akako, because her magic is very much Wizard's Magic on the Disc. I can also imagine Conan having a coronary at the existence of the Guild of Assassins and Vetinari taking over the Black Org and making Gin serve him tea or something.