Are you guys watching Sherlock? (BBC Series)

[KaitoKidMagic]

Yeah, I was here earlier and saw the links, but then I came back and they was gone. Anyways, Thank You. ^o^

[kyuuketsuki]

To me anyway Brett WAS Holmes. Also after watching how they then MURDERED Miss Marple, I will wait for a few reviews. If they can be such horrible things to Miss Marple like take a Great Writer rewrite and change the story and events, I shudder to think and fear greatly for Holmes. I still remember how they murdered the Vampire in sulfux case. That still gives me nightmares. *Shudder*

Both Jd- and I are HUGE Sherlockians. And both of us LOVED Jeremy Brett. And I think Jd- feels the same way as I do when I say this... The stories aren't meant to reflect traditional Sherlock Holmes stories (completely at least), BUT the characterizations of the characters in modern times couldn't be closer to the source material by the good Sir Arthur Conan Doyle.

Honestly, in my opinion, though I loved how they stayed so true to the stories for the Adventures of Sherlock Holmes with Jeremy Brett, its ONE flaw is that Holmes was too clean and gentlemanly. It was certainly a jump from the Basil Rathbone days, but still not how I think Conan Doyle intended the character to be played out. To me, Holmes was an egotistical bastard who didn't care very much for appearances nor for cleanliness. He talked down to people because he felt he was superior to them. It is no wonder that he didn't have any friends outside of Watson, as he felt people were generally idiots unless seeking help from him.

That being said, this new breed of Holmes lore, the Sherlock BBC series and the Sherlock Holmes movie (soon to be movies) hits much closer to how I feel the character SHOULD have been played (Though truth be told, I don't agree with making Irene Adler into a criminal, but meh, I guess they had to find SOME way to get her back, since Holmes has sworn off romance).

All in all, Sherlock is perhaps as close to a perfect modernization as you are going to get. It is masterfully done and should be checked out by all, ESPECIALLY if you are a Sherlock or a general mystery fan.

Want more proof? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1475582/usercomments <-- look at all of those 9 and 10 star ratings! In fact, ALL but ONE of those current 18 ratings and reviews are POSITIVE. Most are 9s and 10s with a few 8s thrown in the mix, and ONE seven star and that already mentioned lone 1 star rating, which NO ONE FOUND HELPFUL.

There is NO REASON to NOT CHECK THIS OUT!

IIRC, Holmes is actually described somewhere (one of the novels?) as being very into cleanliness, though it's true that when it comes to solving cases he 'gets his hands dirty' very often, in both the literal and figurative senses.

Nope, that is why he drives Watson mad with his eccentricities. There was NEVER any indication of cleanliness.

[dilbertschalter]

To me anyway Brett WAS Holmes. Also after watching how they then MURDERED Miss Marple, I will wait for a few reviews. If they can be such horrible things to Miss Marple like take a Great Writer rewrite and change the story and events, I shudder to think and fear greatly for Holmes. I still remember how they murdered the Vampire in sulfux case. That still gives me nightmares. *Shudder*

Both Jd- and I are HUGE Sherlockians. And both of us LOVED Jeremy Brett. And I think Jd- feels the same way as I do when I say this... The stories aren't meant to reflect traditional Sherlock Holmes stories (completely at least), BUT the characterizations of the characters in modern times couldn't be closer to the source material by the good Sir Arthur Conan Doyle.

Honestly, in my opinion, though I loved how they stayed so true to the stories for the Adventures of Sherlock Holmes with Jeremy Brett, its ONE flaw is that Holmes was too clean and gentlemanly. It was certainly a jump from the Basil Rathbone days, but still not how I think Conan Doyle intended the character to be played out. To me, Holmes was an egotistical bastard who didn't care very much for appearances nor for cleanliness. He talked down to people because he felt he was superior to them. It is no wonder that he didn't have any friends outside of Watson, as he felt people were generally idiots unless seeking help from him.

That being said, this new breed of Holmes lore, the Sherlock BBC series and the Sherlock Holmes movie (soon to be movies) hits much closer to how I feel the character SHOULD have been played (Though truth be told, I don't agree with making Irene Adler into a criminal, but meh, I guess they had to find SOME way to get her back, since Holmes has sworn off romance).

All in all, Sherlock is perhaps as close to a perfect modernization as you are going to get. It is masterfully done and should be checked out by all, ESPECIALLY if you are a Sherlock or a general mystery fan.

Want more proof? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1475582/usercomments <-- look at all of those 9 and 10 star ratings! In fact, ALL but ONE of those current 18 ratings and reviews are POSITIVE. Most are 9s and 10s with a few 8s thrown in the mix, and ONE seven star and that already mentioned lone 1 star rating, which NO ONE FOUND HELPFUL.

There is NO REASON to NOT CHECK THIS OUT!

IIRC, Holmes is actually described somewhere (one of the novels?) as being very into cleanliness, though it's true that when it comes to solving cases he 'gets his hands dirty' very often, in both the literal and figurative senses.

Nope, that is why he drives Watson mad with his eccentricities. There was NEVER any indication of cleanliness.

Check the beginning of chapter 12 of Hound.

[kyuuketsuki]

To me anyway Brett WAS Holmes. Also after watching how they then MURDERED Miss Marple, I will wait for a few reviews. If they can be such horrible things to Miss Marple like take a Great Writer rewrite and change the story and events, I shudder to think and fear greatly for Holmes. I still remember how they murdered the Vampire in sulfux case. That still gives me nightmares. *Shudder*

Both Jd- and I are HUGE Sherlockians. And both of us LOVED Jeremy Brett. And I think Jd- feels the same way as I do when I say this... The stories aren't meant to reflect traditional Sherlock Holmes stories (completely at least), BUT the characterizations of the characters in modern times couldn't be closer to the source material by the good Sir Arthur Conan Doyle.

Honestly, in my opinion, though I loved how they stayed so true to the stories for the Adventures of Sherlock Holmes with Jeremy Brett, its ONE flaw is that Holmes was too clean and gentlemanly. It was certainly a jump from the Basil Rathbone days, but still not how I think Conan Doyle intended the character to be played out. To me, Holmes was an egotistical bastard who didn't care very much for appearances nor for cleanliness. He talked down to people because he felt he was superior to them. It is no wonder that he didn't have any friends outside of Watson, as he felt people were generally idiots unless seeking help from him.

That being said, this new breed of Holmes lore, the Sherlock BBC series and the Sherlock Holmes movie (soon to be movies) hits much closer to how I feel the character SHOULD have been played (Though truth be told, I don't agree with making Irene Adler into a criminal, but meh, I guess they had to find SOME way to get her back, since Holmes has sworn off romance).

All in all, Sherlock is perhaps as close to a perfect modernization as you are going to get. It is masterfully done and should be checked out by all, ESPECIALLY if you are a Sherlock or a general mystery fan.

Want more proof? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1475582/usercomments <-- look at all of those 9 and 10 star ratings! In fact, ALL but ONE of those current 18 ratings and reviews are POSITIVE. Most are 9s and 10s with a few 8s thrown in the mix, and ONE seven star and that already mentioned lone 1 star rating, which NO ONE FOUND HELPFUL.

There is NO REASON to NOT CHECK THIS OUT!

IIRC, Holmes is actually described somewhere (one of the novels?) as being very into cleanliness, though it's true that when it comes to solving cases he 'gets his hands dirty' very often, in both the literal and figurative senses.

Nope, that is why he drives Watson mad with his eccentricities. There was NEVER any indication of cleanliness.

Check the beginning of chapter 12 of Hound.

WELL it seems that I am in need to reread Hound... I do distinctly remember Watson depicting quite the opposite picture of Holmes in a study in scarlet with acid stained hands and the like...

[dilbertschalter]

To me anyway Brett WAS Holmes. Also after watching how they then MURDERED Miss Marple, I will wait for a few reviews. If they can be such horrible things to Miss Marple like take a Great Writer rewrite and change the story and events, I shudder to think and fear greatly for Holmes. I still remember how they murdered the Vampire in sulfux case. That still gives me nightmares. *Shudder*

Both Jd- and I are HUGE Sherlockians. And both of us LOVED Jeremy Brett. And I think Jd- feels the same way as I do when I say this... The stories aren't meant to reflect traditional Sherlock Holmes stories (completely at least), BUT the characterizations of the characters in modern times couldn't be closer to the source material by the good Sir Arthur Conan Doyle.

Honestly, in my opinion, though I loved how they stayed so true to the stories for the Adventures of Sherlock Holmes with Jeremy Brett, its ONE flaw is that Holmes was too clean and gentlemanly. It was certainly a jump from the Basil Rathbone days, but still not how I think Conan Doyle intended the character to be played out. To me, Holmes was an egotistical bastard who didn't care very much for appearances nor for cleanliness. He talked down to people because he felt he was superior to them. It is no wonder that he didn't have any friends outside of Watson, as he felt people were generally idiots unless seeking help from him.

That being said, this new breed of Holmes lore, the Sherlock BBC series and the Sherlock Holmes movie (soon to be movies) hits much closer to how I feel the character SHOULD have been played (Though truth be told, I don't agree with making Irene Adler into a criminal, but meh, I guess they had to find SOME way to get her back, since Holmes has sworn off romance).

All in all, Sherlock is perhaps as close to a perfect modernization as you are going to get. It is masterfully done and should be checked out by all, ESPECIALLY if you are a Sherlock or a general mystery fan.

Want more proof? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1475582/usercomments <-- look at all of those 9 and 10 star ratings! In fact, ALL but ONE of those current 18 ratings and reviews are POSITIVE. Most are 9s and 10s with a few 8s thrown in the mix, and ONE seven star and that already mentioned lone 1 star rating, which NO ONE FOUND HELPFUL.

There is NO REASON to NOT CHECK THIS OUT!

IIRC, Holmes is actually described somewhere (one of the novels?) as being very into cleanliness, though it's true that when it comes to solving cases he 'gets his hands dirty' very often, in both the literal and figurative senses.

Nope, that is why he drives Watson mad with his eccentricities. There was NEVER any indication of cleanliness.

Check the beginning of chapter 12 of Hound.

WELL it seems that I am in need to reread Hound... I do distinctly remember Watson depicting quite the opposite picture of Holmes in a study in scarlet with acid stained hands and the like...

I know what you mean. The reason it stuck out for me was that it didn't seem to fit that well with other descriptions of Holmes.

[CTU]

I just finished watching episode 3 and all I was able to say was "damn you!!!!!" for ending it like that

[Dus]

Spoiler:

Was anyone else wirded out by the way they portrayed Moriarty? That voice was just too silly for me. I also think he's far too young for a criminal mastermind. Rejuvenating Holmes and Watson wasn't that bad, it may even have helped making them seem more dynamic. But Moriarty has always been much older than Holmes for me; and making him a twentysomething kinda breaks the character.

There are several things that are odd about Hound. Someone even suggested that Holmes's deduction in that case was wrong. After all, it was written when Doyle was completely fed up with the character.

[hgokuh]

I loved the third episode.

Spoiler:

Yes, Moriarty was played over the top, but I liked it, is a fun bad guy this way.

[Eve]

I just finished watching episode 3 and all I was able to say was "damn you!!!!!" for ending it like that

^ this....

[Jd-]

It's kind of funny when you read into the canon too much cause, as I mentioned a few posts ago, SACD had a tendency to be... inconsistent. It wasn't his fault or anything like that--he is a writer who paced his stories as he did. Unfortunately for him, his work has been scrutinized more than practically any other of its kind. It's part of the fun of playing the game, of course, but the simple explanation is that he was getting older and he had forgotten what he'd said before. Same thing with the shoulder & leg war injury--it just happens.

As for last night's episode...

Spoiler:

I really loved the third installment and all of the nods to a plethora of the canon, but I wasn't really a fan of Moriarty's portrayal. It was good enough, but I would've liked someone more like Rupert Everett (who played Holmes a few years ago) or even David Tennant (which wouldn't have been outside the realm of possibility given the Dr. Who connections with this series).

The actual string of mysteries was really much better than I expected given how many there were, and the actors sans Moriarty's were very spot on. I also thought the ending was brilliant because I love well-constructed cliffhangers. I saw it coming from a mile away but I was also thinking, "I'm going to be disappointed if this doesn't end like..." The part with Watson walking out with the jacket on was really great. You can hear Martin Freeman's voice crack as he's speaking--really was impressive. I think he understands Watson's role very well and, should it continue, will only get better and better.

Here's to hoping there's more to come!

[Dus]

David Tennant would've been BRILLIANT.

Spoiler:

And with his Scottish accent, they old lady would still be able to say something about his voice, without it becoming so incredibly silly.
And yes, otherwise this episode was brilliant. The managed to include references to dozens of Holmes's cases without making it seem forced. The string of mysteries was executed excellently, they managed to maintain a high level of suspense throughout the episode.
And there were quite a few funny scenes as well - the opening scene had me giggling like a little school girl.
And with this end, there WILL be a second series.

[tantei okuoku]

can someone PLEASE post a link to the third episode

[dilbertschalter]

can someone PLEASE post a link to the third episode

http://forums.dctp.ws/viewtopic.php?p=169725#p169725

[tantei okuoku]

I am half way through the first episode and I LOVE the stuff they do whenever they get an text message

[dilbertschalter]

It's kind of funny when you read into the canon too much cause, as I mentioned a few posts ago, SACD had a tendency to be... inconsistent. It wasn't his fault or anything like that--he is a writer who paced his stories as he did. Unfortunately for him, his work has been scrutinized more than practically any other of its kind. It's part of the fun of playing the game, of course, but the simple explanation is that he was getting older and he had forgotten what he'd said before. Same thing with the shoulder & leg war injury--it just happens.

As for last night's episode...

Spoiler:

I really loved the third installment and all of the nods to a plethora of the canon, but I wasn't really a fan of Moriarty's portrayal. It was good enough, but I would've liked someone more like Rupert Everett (who played Holmes a few years ago) or even David Tennant (which wouldn't have been outside the realm of possibility given the Dr. Who connections with this series).

The actual string of mysteries was really much better than I expected given how many there were, and the actors sans Moriarty's were very spot on. I also thought the ending was brilliant because I love well-constructed cliffhangers. I saw it coming from a mile away but I was also thinking, "I'm going to be disappointed if this doesn't end like..." The part with Watson walking out with the jacket on was really great. You can hear Martin Freeman's voice crack as he's speaking--really was impressive. I think he understands Watson's role very well and, should it continue, will only get better and better.

Here's to hoping there's more to come!

This is very true. One of the things that sticks out most for me is Holmes' supposed ignorance of things not related to crime solving- in the second chapter of Study Watson describes Holmes as being completely ignorant of, a number things, included all non-sensational literature and also of the fact that the earth revolves around the sun. Yet Holmes frequently closes story by quoting famous literary works, both (relatively) contemporary ones and also 'classics'.